Bobby Hull legacy thread (see admin warning post #1)

[Walkingthroughforest]

I don't think the things he was accused of were good. They sounded horrendous. I do find there are those that don't even attempt to look at the other side of it. She stayed with him for 14 years after the balcony incident. Why? That's perplexing to me. And you know what? It is not any of my business either. Because I sure as heck don't know the whole story and this wasn't tested in court. I'm that annoying "innocent until proven guilty" guy that used to be common back in the day. So here is the thing, Hull's life outside of hockey in his private life seemed very complicating. His hockey career? Not so. Actually I'd rather fill 20 pages about that. I mean it is a dead horse beaten over and over here. There doesn't seem to be any balance here. Almost 20 pages and barely mentioning his playing career? Wake me up when we actually talk about Hull the player. I think we've heard enough about Hull the husband by now. These aren't new stories that just popped up by any means. We've heard them before.

Do you see what you're doing? You're talking out of both sides of your mouth.

On one hand you'e saying "I'm not dismissing abuse" and then you go right back and say "I actually can dismiss it because of x, y and z.

I think you need to educate yourself a lot about abusive relationships because what you're saying is frankly awful. People don't leave abusive men for many, many reasons, and none of them have to be because they want to stay. There's power, there's money, there's children, housing, etc. Women will literally stay with abusive men for years until they kill them.

We don't need a court of law to believe Joanne and the kids, especially as they all tell the same story and she has nothing to gain from it. You can also look at the fact that at the time of his death, as far as we know he was still alienated from the majority of his family.

People would be happy to talk about Hull the hockey player, but then people such as you say these truly awful things that would be really damaging for people who experienced abuse to read or interact with.

I promise you that if you had just accepted the statement that Hull's abusive history is just as valid as his hockey history that we could have gotten talking about hockey a lot sooner.

 

[Bear of Bad News]

Almost 20 pages and barely mentioning his playing career? Wake me up when we actually talk about Hull the player.

Here you go!

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[norrisnick]

I don't think the things he was accused of were good. They sounded horrendous. I do find there are those that don't even attempt to look at the other side of it. She stayed with him for 14 years after the balcony incident. Why? That's perplexing to me. And you know what? It is not any of my business either. Because I sure as heck don't know the whole story and this wasn't tested in court. I'm that annoying "innocent until proven guilty" guy that used to be common back in the day. So here is the thing, Hull's life outside of hockey in his private life seemed very complicating. His hockey career? Not so. Actually I'd rather fill 20 pages about that. I mean it is a dead horse beaten over and over here. There doesn't seem to be any balance here. Almost 20 pages and barely mentioning his playing career? Wake me up when we actually talk about Hull the player. I think we've heard enough about Hull the husband by now. These aren't new stories that just popped up by any means. We've heard them before.

You think there's anything new to talk about Hull the player?

 

[Big Phil]

You think there's anything new to talk about Hull the player?

Well we never seem to run out of things to talk about with other greats from their on ice prowess. Anyway, certain people on this thread have their opinions on how Hull ought to be remembered, and that is that.

 

[Bear of Bad News]

Well we never seem to run out of things to talk about with other greats from their on ice prowess. Anyway, certain people on this thread have their opinions on how Hull ought to be remembered, and that is that.

Oh, for Pete's sake. You're also "a certain person on this thread who has your opinion on how Hull ought to be remembered".

It's a discussion board.

 

[Big Phil]

Oh, for Pete's sake. You're also "a certain person on this thread who has your opinion on how Hull ought to be remembered".

It's a discussion board.

I have found it to be shockingly one-sided. I actually tried to talk about his on-ice accolades multiple times. Only because 18 pages of spousal abuse and what people thought he meant about the Hitler comment was starting to get depressing. Anyway....................

 

[blueandgoldguy]

So where did that story about Hull's slapshot being measured at 125 MPH come from back in the day? We know it's false but who started it?

 

[Bear of Bad News]

I have found it to be shockingly one-sided. I actually tried to talk about his on-ice accolades multiple times. Only because 18 pages of spousal abuse and what people thought he meant about the Hitler comment was starting to get depressing. Anyway....................

Well, there's also an entirely other thread where we're only allowing on-ice stuff. So....

 

[Jets4Life]

We don't need a court of law to believe Joanne and the kids, especially as they all tell the same story and she has nothing to gain from it.

Evander Kane:

I am not saying they are making things up. I’m saying that there isn’t enough evidence to prove Kane committed criminal actions beyond a reasonable doubt, as noted in your second article which is discussing a civil case.

In other words, you are holding players to different standards to fit your narrative.

 

[Jets4Life]

My Dad, who grew up watching hockey in the Original Six era, told me about 30 years ago when I was a young kid: "I don't have any respect for Bobby Hull because he is a wife-beater".

So Bobby's off-ice behaviour definitely has been known for a long time.

I first learned about Bobby Hull's domestic violence accusations around 1989, when the Jets retired his #9 jersey at the old Winnipeg Arena. It was disappointing. The full details of the abuse were made public during an ESPN documentary over 20 years ago. In Winnipeg at the time, it was glossed over in favour of his hockey contributions.

Even in the late 70s, after Bobby Hull sat out a WHA game, in protest of the on-ice violence committed against his line-mates Ulf Nilsson and Anders Hedgerg (there was still the stereotype that Europeans were "soft" and one had to be physically aggressive with them to neutralise their play), a sports reporter had made a tongue-in-cheek remark about Bobby Hull being OK with violence outside the rink.

 

[Walkingthroughforest]

Evander Kane:


In other words, you are holding to players different standards to fit your narrative.

Either your reading comprehension skills are subpar, or you choose to be very manipulative. I’ve said three times already in this thread I believe everything said about Evander Kane, as I have known him personally for years and I don’t believe he should be allowed to play in the league.

It’s stunning how you can’t differentiate when I’m also talking about my personal opinion on Kane’s behaviour vs laying out the facts of why his abuse allegations haven’t affected his career.

 

[Theokritos]

So where did that story about Hull's slapshot being measured at 125 MPH come from back in the day? We know it's false but who started it?

The alleged number is 118 MPH. It was measured by Lloyd Percival and published in the February 1968 issue of Popular Mechanics.

 

[seventieslord]

^^^ I don't know if I should be more impressed that a 39-year-old Gordie Howe is third on the list, or that a 38-year-old defenseman is seventh.

 

[MeHateHe]

In other words, you are holding players to different standards to fit your narrative.

We're examining Bobby Hull's legacy, because the story is written. We know that he violently assaulted his wives, and if he showed remorse after that, it was clearly not enough to remediate his reputation.

Evander Kane's been a jerk, irrespective of whether the allegations of physical abuse are proved out. The gambling, the vaccination records, all that stuff has shown us what his character is. Having said that, his time in Edmonton has been striking in that he has kept his nose clean. Has he actually changed? We can assume that if future bad acts happen, we'll (perhaps only eventually) hear of them.

So, as much as you might want to make this the Evander Kane legacy thread, it's not. We can discuss Evander Kane's legacy at some point in the future, but only after the entire story has been written.

 

[Big Phil]

Well, there's also an entirely other thread where we're only allowing on-ice stuff. So....

What thread?

 

[Bear of Bad News]

What thread?

Phil.

See my response to you in this thread yesterday at 5:11pm ET. Post #427, fourteen posts above this one.

 

[Big Phil]

Phil.

See my response to you in this thread yesterday at 5:11pm ET. Post #427, fourteen posts above this one.

Relax there Bear. I didn't notice it.

 

[Bear of Bad News]

Relax there Bear. I didn't notice it.

Yes, I'm aware.

 

[Big Phil]

Yes, I'm aware.

I don't study every single response I get when I get a few of them at a time.

 

[Bear of Bad News]

I don't study every single response I get when I get a few of them at a time.

Didn't mean to give you homework or make this difficult for you. Enjoy the thread!

 

[Big Phil]

Didn't mean to give you homework or make this difficult for you. Enjoy the thread!

I'll live.

So where did that story about Hull's slapshot being measured at 125 MPH come from back in the day? We know it's false but who started it?

As mentioned, it was 118mph. If anyone could have.........................

 

[DaaaaB's]

The alleged number is 118 MPH. It was measured by Lloyd Percival and published in the February 1968 issue of Popular Mechanics.

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There's no way those numbers are accurate. Zero chance that there were 9 all-stars shooting at least 102mph when only two did it this year. Those numbers are at least 10mph too high, maybe 15. Howe having a 114mph wrist shot lol.

 

[Jets4Life]

Bobby Hull with the hat trick on Team Canada (WHA version) against the Soviet Union, in the 8 games Super Series of 1974

 

[Theokritos]

There's no way those numbers are accurate. Zero chance that there were 9 all-stars shooting at least 102mph when only two did it this year. Those numbers are at least 10mph too high, maybe 15. Howe having a 114mph wrist shot lol.

Right. That's the reason people don't take these numbers seriously.

 

[DaaaaB's]

Right. That's the reason people don't take these numbers seriously.

I didn't mean to imply that you were taking them seriously. I've just never seen those stats before and thought they were pretty funny.