Rumor: Bo Horvat All Purpose Thread (Part 1)

[Youngguns1380]

Would Columbus have any interest in Garland? He is signed for a few years still, not sure how to make the cap work but Canucks could use Peeke if he could be had and Canucks take back some other salary to make it work cap wise?

Or Hoglander for Ceulmans?

Nope - we have a plethora of wingers

 

[Seventy7]

Thought I’d have a go at this for both fan bases.

To Van:
Jack Roslovic 4M
Mateychuk
2023 2nd
2024 3rd

To CBJ:
Bo Horvat extension in place

 

[Youngguns1380]

Pittsburgh is 186 miles from Columbus and less than a three hour drive. I have no idea whether Miller or Columbus are interested but your point seems like a weak one.
We've had players sign in Vancouver who were from Kelowna, a five hour drive or Vancouver Island, a two and a half hour trip.

I am not going to argue anymore about this but people - keep pointing bringing him home like he an all-Ohio guy and he is not.

 

[im gangster]

Okay maybe not the best choice of words, but as mentioned compared to Miller(and our other options at center) he's miles better than anyone not named Jenner (whose not exactly a defensive stalwart himself)

Which leads me to the next point, we don't need a blood and guts good ol Canadian boy whose a fabled leader on the ice, we already have that role covered with Boone Jenner. We just need an experienced center so that we don't have to rely on Boone for everything.


Obviously Miller doesn't put as much weight into being close to his family or he wouldn't have signed a 7 year deal in a different country on the opposite side of the continent from them.

The Jackets aren't making a deal because he's from Ohio, that's completely irrelevant to the trade talks. We want him for his on ice play.

And if you wanna go down that road, Horvat getting traded to Columbus puts him within an hour flight home. Same as Gaudreau. Established players like Horvat and Gaudreau aren't driving home when they want to visit home.

bet

 

[stevo61]

Would Columbus have any interest in Garland? He is signed for a few years still, not sure how to make the cap work but Canucks could use Peeke if he could be had and Canucks take back some other salary to make it work cap wise?

Or Hoglander for Ceulmans?

I like Garland but no. The defense is a mess and we have lots of winger options.Team needs to buy time until Jiricek and Mateychuk are ready to start slotting guys down a spot. Ceulemans too if he isnt dealt.
Boqvist would be someone I think they would be much more willing to move or Gavrikov if no deal can be reached.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

“I am not going to argue anymore about this but people - keep pointing bringing him home like he an all-Ohio guy and he is not.”


Yeah I think I’ve made my point as well that it’s close to his home so I’ll let it go too.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Thought I’d have a go at this for both fan bases.

To Van:
Jack Roslovic 4M
Mateychuk
2023 2nd
2024 3rd

To CBJ:
Bo Horvat extension in place

No thanks

 

[Canuck86]

I have a hard time seeing Canucks dealing Horvat, who do they expect to play C for them and win faceoffs going forward...EP is no good at them and JT is apparently only a winger even though he had solid faceoff stats and a 99pt career year last season. He was off to a poor start this year but has gotten better defensively, he will never be considered great defensively but he does play on the PK and if he is paired with the right wingers I think he could play C, he has stated he prefers it as it makes him have to play a more complete game

 

[kcunac]

I would be interested to hear an updated scouting report on Andrew Peeke from those who watch him regularly. Thank you in advance.

 

[CBJx614]

I have a hard time seeing Canucks dealing Horvat, who do they expect to play C for them and win faceoffs going forward...EP is no good at them and JT is apparently only a winger even though he had solid faceoff stats and a 99pt career year last season. He was off to a poor start this year but has gotten better defensively, he will never be considered great defensively but he does play on the PK and if he is paired with the right wingers I think he could play C, he has stated he prefers it as it makes him have to play a more complete game

That automatically disqualifies him.


If he's so good at center why are you worried about moving Horvat but are fine with moving Miller?

And what are you going to do if Horvat leaves in the off-season and you get nothing in return?

 

[Viqsi]

Would Columbus have any interest in Garland? He is signed for a few years still, not sure how to make the cap work but Canucks could use Peeke if he could be had and Canucks take back some other salary to make it work cap wise?

Or Hoglander for Ceulmans?

I really like Garland but we're really overfull on wingers right now.

Hoglander gets no such consideration.

 

[im gangster]

That automatically disqualifies him.


If he's so good at center why are you worried about moving Horvat but are fine with moving Miller?

And what are you going to do if Horvat leaves in the off-season and you get nothing in return?

this to me was a preferable option to giving miller 7/56(i mean i would have taken the flexibility cap wise by letting miller walk if it was the shit or get off the pot moment and i couldn’t trade him for value

horvat would be my hang on a little longer option and keep if necessary

 

[KaosKommando]

Thought I’d have a go at this for both fan bases.

To Van:
Jack Roslovic 4M
Mateychuk
2023 2nd
2024 3rd

To CBJ:
Bo Horvat extension in place

Don't think Mateychuk would be avaible for Horvat trade. Also hard to imagine anyone wanting Roslovic back in any trade.

 

[Canuck86]

That automatically disqualifies him.


If he's so good at center why are you worried about moving Horvat but are fine with moving Miller?

And what are you going to do if Horvat leaves in the off-season and you get nothing in return?

Because Horvat is younger, ideally they keep both players and move out other contracts instead. Problem is they lack in so many areas to fill those holes the Canucks need/should trade JT as he is the older player that could net a return...not 3 1sts or more like delusional Canuck fans wanted last year but with the cap going up his 8m a year won't be terrible if he plays near a ppg for most of his contract which I think is doable.

If the GM let's Horvat walk and doesn't trade him at the TDL then this team is not in good hands...I never liked the hires to begin with but owner wanted Cup pedigree and he got that but not sure they were the right people for the job.

All JR has done is run his mouth about needing to address the D and how we had a poor camp and our play is bad yet all his mini me has done is trade a 2nd round pick, overpay for a fast PK F in Mikheyev and NOT address the D...

 

[dirtydanglez]

Yes. Easily. This shouldn't even be a question. Young right-handed second-pairing defensive defenseman locked up at a good rate? That's as no-brainer as it gets.

he's only second pair on a few teams. a 24 year old 3rd pair d is worth like a 3rd.

 

[nuxnux1]

Not interested in a bad defensive dman that’s small and not a great skater, we need a rock defensively to pair with hughes not another bear/oel/rathbone

 

[Viqsi]

he's only second pair on a few teams.

Thanks for sharing. Be aware that your evaluation is a considerable outlier versus consensus.

 

[stevo61]

Miller went from a 40-50 point centre in New York to a ppg player in Vancouver and JG has been outscored by Miller over the last 4 seasons and in fact isn't even ppg in Columbus at all.

Sorry mate, come on now with this JG doing this across the league nonsense

Right on queue, Gaudreau is now at a PPG

 

[dirtydanglez]

Thanks for sharing. Be aware that your evaluation is a considerable outlier versus consensus.

only consensus on a the bjs board. dont drink the koolaid

 

[Viqsi]

only consensus on a the bjs board. dont drink the koolaid

Don't be absurd.

 

[dirtydanglez]

Don't be absurd.

what teams do you think he'd be top 4 on? i can't think of many.

 

[stevo61]

what teams do you think he'd be top 4 on? i can't think of many.

Only takes 1 to believe it if they wanted to trade him. Vancouver seems like agood place to start the list

 

[BoHorvat 53]

That automatically disqualifies him.


If he's so good at center why are you worried about moving Horvat but are fine with moving Miller?

And what are you going to do if Horvat leaves in the off-season and you get nothing in return?

Management has been saying that if they don't have an extension with him they'll move him at TDL, if there is no extension he will absolutely be moved, and there has been rumors that internally they have Christmas as their own set deadline in their minds.

 

[stevo61]

Management has been saying that if they don't have an extension with him they'll move him at TDL, if there is no extension he will absolutely be moved, and there has been rumors that internally they have Christmas as their own set deadline in their minds.

Deadline for contract talks or deadline they want a trade done? Seems weird to handicap yourself.

 

[Viqsi]

what teams do you think he'd be top 4 on? i can't think of many.

The question was one of ability, not of depth charts, and is as such dependent on what folks are attempting to achieve with their bluelines. But for the record, I think he'd be a no-brainer choice on Anaheim, Arizona, Buffalo, Columbus (obviously), Montreal, Ottawa, San Jose, Toronto, and Vancouver, and he'd be in the competitive running with other quality guys on another ten more or so.