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I have a strange feeling that the Blues come out flat in this series. Stranger things have happened with this team. I’ve been a fan since the Blues’ inception and this team has a history of coming out flat for big games. We shall see on Monday night. I hope I am wrong about it. I do know that Minnesota is going to come out flying with a big push. Can the Blues weather the storm in the first ten minutes? It’s going to take some big saves and the forwards backchecking like crazy. No one knows what will happen but the place will be on fire that’s for certain. Come on Blues prove me wrong. The Wild have a great OT record with Kaprizov but there is no 3 on 3 in the playoffs. Special teams could decide the series. GO BLUES !!!
 

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Minnesota in 6. They’re playing like madmen at the right time while we’re trending down and don’t forget about the due factor.
 

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Green = Significant advantage in this category
Blue = Nearly even in this category
Red = Significant disadvantage in this category

GFGAPP%PK%FOW%GF/GA P1GF/GA P2GF/GA P3Min. PIMS
Blues3rd11th2nd5th14th+6+51+174th
Wild5th16th18th25th27th+17+20+1125th

I like our chances, but this isn't an easy series.

Both teams are hot, with crazy good records down the stretch. The Blues have had a bit of a hiccup in the last couple games, but one could view these games as a humbling reminder that we're not invincible. We do not want to be too cocky heading into the playoffs, so these couple of losses may be a good thing in that regard. Another factor to keep in mind is that it's straight down to business for the Blues because they start game 1 on the road. This is something this team has experience with, having started 3 of 4 series in the Cup run on the road. They won both opening road games against the Jets and split them with the Sharks/Bruins. They've proven they can take at least a game on the road before coming back home which is huge for the team without home ice advantage. The Wild, however, are very strong at home. They're 31-8-2 at home, but their record on the road is not so hot comparatively (22-14-5). Losing a game at home would be very bad for them.

Another important thing to note before I get into the bulk of the stats here is Minnesota's overtime record. They have 16 overtime wins, 5 of which are in the shootout. So they're 11-3 in 3 on 3 overtime. Why is this important? Because there is no 3 on 3 overtime or shootouts in the playoffs (obviously). That's 32 points accumulated over the regular season from things that don't happen in the playoffs. To put it in perspective, the Blues have earned only 10 points in overtime/shootouts. If you remove 3 on 3 and shootouts, the Blues would sit at 86 points, the Wild 74. That's a 16 point swing. The Wild are exceptional in 3 on 3, and it's not particularly surprising why. They have speedy, elusive scoring threats that have a ton more space to worth with. Guys like Kaprizov, Zuccarello, Fiala, etc., they're playstyle is perfect for 3 on 3. They will not be afforded this luxury in the playoffs.

Now to the main stats. The Blues had 1 more goal for than the Wild, so that's a wash. The Wild gave up 11 more goals...whatever. The big differences come from the special teams. The Blues have the 2nd best powerplay in the league, and the Wild have the 6th worst PK. That's gonna be scary for the Wild. On top of this, Foligno might be out, who logs a lot of minutes on the PK. And on top of that, the Wild are the 8th most penalized team in the league as far as minor penalties go (whereas the Blues are the 4th least penalized). Now, it is stupid, but there's going to be less penalties called in the playoffs, so that's something to keep in mind. But in the end, I am not opposed to making this series a special teams battle, because we clearly have the upper hand there.

Then there's faceoffs. The Wild simply aren't great here. The Blues are middle of the pack, but when you have a guy like O'Reilly taking important draws against guys that are well below 50% on the draw, it's going to be a significant factor. The Wild player with the most faceoffs taken is Eriksson Ek, who is at 47.6%. The 2nd most is Hartman at 44.8%, then Gaudreau who's exactly 50%. Even guys like Thomas and Schenn who are just below 50% are still better than 2 of those guys. I know these numbers can vary quite a bit game to game, but it's worth noting.

One more significant advantage for the Blues is the 2nd period. What's crazy is that the Wild's best period is technically the 2nd period, as they are a +20. But that's 31 less than the Blues in the 2nd (lol). I don't know if I've ever seen a more dominant period by a team. I'm not 100% sure why we're so incredible in the 2nd period, but we are. The long change has to be a factor, though, and that's extra important when you take into account that the 1st overtime has the long change as well (and it's not 3 on 3). The Wild are fairly consistent through all 3 periods though, as there's not much difference between their goal differentials in each. So you can't actually say that they have a best period, although they literally do statistically. They're just too close.

Now, onto individual players/matchups. The Wild clearly have the best player in this series in Kaprizov. The best player for the Blues...depends on the night. It can be any one of Tarasenko, O'Reilly, Parayko, Husso, Thomas, Kyrou (although not lately), Schenn, Perron, Faulk, or Buchnevich. And that's what is so dangerous about the Blues. You can't simply shutdown one or two guys, or even a whole line, because there's 2 other lines that can burn you just as easily. My guess is that O'Reilly's line will get Kaprizov/Zuccarello duties, with Parayko glued to Kaprizov in the defensive zone when possible. Not having home ice could cause some issues with not getting the last change, but hopefully the edge the Blues have in faceoffs can mitigate some of that. We'll see how this "GREEF" line looks, but even if they successfully shut down a line like the Thomas line (unlikely), you've still got a line like Barbashev-Schenn-Kyrou or the O'Reilly line to worry about. And we'll see if Foligno is healthy, because he's a big cog in that line.

As far as goaltending goes, who the hell knows what will happen. Sure, we've had Talbot's number, and Fleury hasn't been special against us either, but Husso hasn't had any playoff experience at all and Binnington has been abysmal this year. There's simply no predicting how these guys will play. If I had to guess, I expect the goaltending to be fairly even throughout the series. I think this could be a fairly high scoring series, so I think the battle between the goalies might be more of a "who gives up less goals" as opposed to "who makes more saves," if you get what I mean.

Keys to the series for each team:

Blues: Take advantage of special teams. Pile it on in the 2nd period and don't sit back too hard in the 3rd if you have a lead, this Minnesota team can score. Start games on time, don't get yourself into a hole early in games. Put doubt into their heads early in Minnesota. I'm sure the Wild know how poorly they've been against us in recent years, it would be a huge blow to their confidence if they lose game 1 at home. The Blues have more experience, show it. BE MORE PHYSICAL. The Wild's top players are small. Kaprizov, Zuccarello, Fiala, Spurgeon...they're tiny compared to some of our guys. Use your size to your advantage and take away any time and space you can from them. Hit them every chance you get, they're going to feel it over the course of a long series more than we will. Shut down their top line the best you can and let your depth do the work. Tighten it up defensively. I know we're no longer a fantastic defensive team, but it's time to "put on the work boots" and defend as a team. We don't have to be as good as we were in 2019 in this category, just be good enough so that your offense can get to work.

Players to watch: O'Reilly, Tarasenko, Faulk

Wild: Wipe the slate clean, forget the past. Keep it 5 on 5. Weather the storm that is the 2nd period. Don't sit back on any lead, this Blues team can score in bunches. Stop the Blues' passing (if you can). If you can disrupt their breakouts in the defensive zone and their puck movement in the offensive zone, you're in good shape. Take advantage of the Blues bottom 3 defenseman. Your top guys need to be your top guys. You have strong depth, but not on the same level as the Blues. Kaprizov needs to be a gamebreaker and your top line needs to produce. You can't afford to have this line not contributing. Put the series away EARLY. This Blues team has a lot of playoff experience, and they've been scary good late in series. Don't let this get to a game 6 or 7.

Player to watch: Kaprizov, Boldy, Spurgeon


My series prediction: Blues in 6.
 
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I think it's gonna be a good matchup. The teams seem very evenly matched and the Wild can keep up with the blues offense. For me it's going to come down to goaltending for the Wild and defense for the blues.
 

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Folks probably saw Dom’s model gave Minnesota 75% chance to win. His model loves the Wild and thinks the Blues are bad with exceptional luck. He at least referenced a non-public model that apparently gives the Blues some credit for having more expected goals by factoring in the passing game. I think he’s essentially admitting his model is too simplistic.

The Wild might win, but when we watched these teams on the ice together this year, it didn’t really create the impression Minnesota was a lot better than St Louis. This is a fascinating matchup.
 
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fleury plus the wild's defense could give the blues some issues, even though fleury historically hasn't been a goalie to worry about - but that's where the depth will hopefully show up in waves. blues have more of it and i think that'll be the difference in the series. also, that special teams advantage should help widen the gap in some games.

it'd be really helpful if kyrou could get back to pre-all star form during the series

blues in 6
 

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Looks like both teams will be at "full strength" so to speak with everyone that has been slightly banged up in the lineup.

 

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Folks probably saw Dom’s model gave Minnesota 75% chance to win. His model loves the Wild and thinks the Blues are bad with exceptional luck. He at least referenced a non-public model that apparently gives the Blues some credit for having more expected goals by factoring in the passing game. I think he’s essentially admitting his model is too simplistic.

The Wild might win, but when we watched these teams on the ice together this year, it didn’t really create the impression Minnesota was a lot better than St Louis. This is a fascinating matchup.
"Bad with exceptional luck"????

Were those his words? If so, he's a moron and I would NOT trust anything he says.

IMO the series is a toss up. The Blues have more scoring depth but their goaltending and defense is suspect at times. The Wild appear to be more consistent in terms of total team play, their top line is excellent, and I think their goaltending duo has an advantage over the Blues.

I don't make a living off hockey analysis, so this is just my gut feel after watching both teams. I don't need "experts" to tell me how this will play out.

Full disclosure, throughout the season I watched a number of Wild games. If the Blues go down, I'm rooting for the Wild.
 

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"Bad with exceptional luck"????

Were those his words? If so, he's a moron and I would NOT trust anything he says.

IMO the series is a toss up. The Blues have more scoring depth but their goaltending and defense is suspect at times. The Wild appear to be more consistent in terms of total team play, their top line is excellent, and I think their goaltending duo has an advantage over the Blues.

I don't make a living off hockey analysis, so this is just my gut feel after watching both teams. I don't need "experts" to tell me how this will play out.

Full disclosure, throughout the season I watched a number of Wild games. If the Blues go down, I'm rooting for the Wild.
‘Bad with exceptional luck’ is me paraphrasing what his model says about the Blues. The expected goals are far lower than the Blues’ actual goal scoring, which he would attribute to unsustainable better than expected shooting percentages. In other words, luck. I think that argument gets weaker the longer the trend continues, and now it’s all season.

This was the first time anyone (As far as I know) has acknowledged an actual model that seems to credit the cross-ice passing game for creating higher expected goals than the publicly available metrics.
 
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It'll be a long, tough series. I hope The Blues can play their best version of team defence, and take some of the pressure off that they've been dumping on The Blues' goalies lately. They've got to be willing to give it all, all game long, each game (something they've done very rarely over the season. If Husso plays the way he did most of this season, The Blues should be a slight favourite, due to their advantages in forward depth, and overall spread of scoring ability among several more players. They'll have to be willing to block more shots and forecheck and backcheck harder and more consistently than they have over the last several games. But, IF they do those things, they should be able to be more likely to edge out The Wild in this series.
 

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The Wild seem to be a more consistent team than the Blues, but we shall see ...

The Hitchcock Blues were more consistent than this team, but that doesn't necessarily mean they were better. Lots of teams were playing their hearts out all season long because they didn't actually have that much depth. That's why regular season statistics don't mean shiat.
 

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Folks probably saw Dom’s model gave Minnesota 75% chance to win. His model loves the Wild and thinks the Blues are bad with exceptional luck. He at least referenced a non-public model that apparently gives the Blues some credit for having more expected goals by factoring in the passing game. I think he’s essentially admitting his model is too simplistic.

The Wild might win, but when we watched these teams on the ice together this year, it didn’t really create the impression Minnesota was a lot better than St Louis. This is a fascinating matchup.
ALL hockey models at this point are too simplistic. How can anyone actually believe a few ratios with a handful of variables can represent actual reality? Dom is arrogant and doesn't have a clue what he's actually talking about.
 
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fleury plus the wild's defense could give the blues some issues, even though fleury historically hasn't been a goalie to worry about - but that's where the depth will hopefully show up in waves. blues have more of it and i think that'll be the difference in the series. also, that special teams advantage should help widen the gap in some games.

it'd be really helpful if kyrou could get back to pre-all star form during the series

blues in 6

MAF- 3 games against the Blues. 10 goals against, 3.36GAA .903 sv%
Talbot- 3 games against the Blues. 16 goals against, 5.92 GAA, .814 sv%

I get that Talbot and MAF had decent years overall, but the Blues have brutalized both of them. I am as worried about those two as I am about these two:

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The GREEF line is the concern here. Not the Minnesota goaltending.
 
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Blues have been ass in the playoffs since the Cup. This will last 6-games max; not in the good way. Blues better hope it becomes a special teams battle; at evens the Wild should handle business and feast on our weak defensive zone play.
 
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ALL hockey models at this point are too simplistic. How can anyone actually believe a few ratios with a handful of variables can represent actual reality? Dom is arrogant and doesn't have a clue what he's actually talking about.
I agree Dom is arrogant, but I believe his model makes money vs Vegas so he has at least that much credibility.

It would be cool to see St Louis break the model though.
 
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The Wild should feel more comfortable going to Fleury than the Blues should feel about going to Binnington, at the moment. Husso has not been playing his best the past few weeks. I think he was getting a bit overworked in a year where he's carried a workload unlike anything he's ever seen before.

Hopefully he shows us his best stuff. I also haven't seen the Blues really play a lock-down post-season style of play with everyone on the train. They've had some moments like that, but then Kyrou or somebody gives it away at the blue line. They need to be able to shut down an opposing team and win a 2-1 game if they're going to make a run. I haven't really seen that yet, and have been taking it on faith.

I also respect the Wild. The Blues had 6 more regulation wins, though, and I think that's worth noting.
I'd be kind of surprised if the wild even start Talbot over Fleury game 1.
 
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