Blues/Wild Playoff series discussion

[Ridge1982]

The Wild's beat writer Russo went after Schenn on Twitter for pushing Kaprizov high in his numbers. It's all quite weak for a state that's supposed to be a big boy hockey state

He’s the same prick who trolled STL fans with a picture of the dome on Twitter. He changed his tune when Rutherford clapped back.

 

[PocketNines]

It's nice to directly benefit from another team Ryan Millering themselves.

 

[AjaxManifesto]

Watching game 5 again.

We are very lucky The Thrill didn't pot 2-3 more goals. That kid is lethal. Shot high on many great scoring chances.

We really need to contain him in game 6. He can carry the Wild to victory very easily.

 

[STLegend]

Anyone else notice Foligno last night winding up a baseball swing twice at Mikkola's head as they both went for a line change? Mikkola had just plastered him into the boards behind the net and Foligno was incensed; he is quite the hot head.

He only went through the motion of it, but he twice made the gesture that he was going to take a swing at Mikkola's head right in front of the ref who was in between the benches. Kind of surprised I haven't seen the clip getting circulated on Twitter.

 

[oPlaiD]

Anyone else notice Foligno last night winding up a baseball swing twice at Mikkola's head as they both went for a line change? Mikkola had just plastered him into the boards behind the net and Foligno was incensed; he is quite the hot head.

He only went through the motion of it, but he twice made the gesture that he was going to take a swing at Mikkola's head right in front of the ref who was in between the benches. Kind of surprised I haven't seen the clip getting circulated on Twitter.

Yeah it was on the Bally broadcast and Pang commented on it, but I don't think they showed a replay or anything.

Whenever I see it I wonder if stuff like that counts as unsportsmanlike conduct. It feels like it should, to me.

Also, on Schenn, he did leave his skates on that hit on Kaprizov. He does that quite a lot and we've seen it get him in trouble before. He can certainly lay a nice hit without out, so it'd be nice if he'd stop.

 

[PocketNines]

We've never seen the Blues 1-4-5-6 a team before. Couple of 1-4-5-7s but the last time was Toronto in 86

Edit: by the same token the Blues have never been 2-3-6-7'd by anyone

 

[AjaxManifesto]

Anyone else notice Foligno last night winding up a baseball swing twice at Mikkola's head as they both went for a line change? Mikkola had just plastered him into the boards behind the net and Foligno was incensed; he is quite the hot head.

He only went through the motion of it, but he twice made the gesture that he was going to take a swing at Mikkola's head right in front of the ref who was in between the benches. Kind of surprised I haven't seen the clip getting circulated on Twitter.

Just keep getting in their heads and STAY OUT OF DA BOX!

 

[stl76]

Anyone else notice Foligno last night winding up a baseball swing twice at Mikkola's head as they both went for a line change? Mikkola had just plastered him into the boards behind the net and Foligno was incensed; he is quite the hot head.

He only went through the motion of it, but he twice made the gesture that he was going to take a swing at Mikkola's head right in front of the ref who was in between the benches. Kind of surprised I haven't seen the clip getting circulated on Twitter.

Greenway also took an “accidentally on purpose” run at Mikkola in front of the Blues net with about 4 minutes left in the 3rd period. Guess I was the only guy to notice cause I haven’t been able to find a replay anywhere, but Greenway f***ing drilled Mikkola from behind about a mile away from any puck.

 

[Sgt Schultz]

Anyone else notice Foligno last night winding up a baseball swing twice at Mikkola's head as they both went for a line change? Mikkola had just plastered him into the boards behind the net and Foligno was incensed; he is quite the hot head.

He only went through the motion of it, but he twice made the gesture that he was going to take a swing at Mikkola's head right in front of the ref who was in between the benches. Kind of surprised I haven't seen the clip getting circulated on Twitter.

I saw it. To my knowledge, it is not any sort of penalty, but I would imagine the ref said something to the effect of "don't even think about it." For all the complaining, NHL refs are pretty good at preventative officiating. Probably the best in professional sports.

 

[Brian39]

Yeah it was on the Bally broadcast and Pang commented on it, but I don't think they showed a replay or anything.

Whenever I see it I wonder if stuff like that counts as unsportsmanlike conduct. It feels like it should, to me.

Also, on Schenn, he did leave his skates on that hit on Kaprizov. He does that quite a lot and we've seen it get him in trouble before. He can certainly lay a nice hit without out, so it'd be nice if he'd stop.

I've never seen a penalty called for a "made you flinch" style fake wind up that doesn't have any type of actual swing toward a guy. I have no desire to start penalizing that stuff. Let the player get laughed at for acting like a middle schooler and everyone moves on. I'm all for penalizing actual stick swings toward guys even if they don't contact them (see Binnington swinging his stick at Kadri). And I'm all for a ref telling a player to watch the bullshit and making a mental note that he's instigating stuff. But other than that we don't need the officials calling penalties for what is essentially stupid harmless mind games.

Schenn also left his skates to tag Middleton up high in the 1st period of game 3. His reputation among Wild fans is not unearned, even though I don't think any of his individual hits were bad enough to merit anything beyond 2 minute penalties.

 

[Stupendous Yappi]

Talbot gets the start. I suggested Minnesota might mismanage their goalie situation. I kind of think they have. We’ll see how Talbot fares after sitting a couple weeks. But he was playing better than Fleury down the stretch, in my opinion. It felt like they were kind of past the point of making a goalie change in my mind. Smells like a desperation move to me.

 

[ChicagoBlues]

Talbot gets the start. I suggested Minnesota might mismanage their goalie situation. I kind of think they have. We’ll see how Talbot fares after sitting a couple weeks. But he was playing better than Fleury down the stretch, in my opinion. It felt like they were kind of past the point of making a goalie change in my mind. Smells like a desperation move to me.

Lurking on the Wild board, there seems to be a feeling that Guerin promised Fleury starts, which, if true, has backfired.

Talbot was red hot down the stretch and then they made a switch. Confounding!

I've never seen a penalty called for a "made you flinch" style fake wind up that doesn't have any type of actual swing toward a guy. I have no desire to start penalizing that stuff. Let the player get laughed at for acting like a middle schooler and everyone moves on. I'm all for penalizing actual stick swings toward guys even if they don't contact them (see Binnington swinging his stick at Kadri). And I'm all for a ref telling a player to watch the bullshit and making a mental note that he's instigating stuff. But other than that we don't need the officials calling penalties for what is essentially stupid harmless mind games.

Schenn also left his skates to tag Middleton up high in the 1st period of game 3. His reputation among Wild fans is not unearned, even though I don't think any of his individual hits were bad enough to merit anything beyond 2 minute penalties.

Kadri was fined for gesturing a throat slash.

Nick Boynton was suspended for the same.

 

[Stupendous Yappi]

Lurking on the Wild board, there seems to be a feeling that Guerin promised Fleury starts, which, if true, has backfired.

Talbot was red hot down the stretch and then they made a switch. Confounding!


Kadri was fined for gesturing a throat slash.

Nick Boynton was suspended for the same.

I saw that and I don’t believe it. If true, that’s a pretty bad way to operate your hockey club.

 

[PocketNines]

"Go save our season on the road against an experienced playoff team that has riddled you with goals."

Bold strategy Cotton

 

[bleedblue1223]

Lets see what wins out, Evason's dumbass decision making or the hockey god's karma for everyone mocking it as a dumbass decision.

 

[ChicagoBlues]

I saw that and I don’t believe it. If true, that’s a pretty bad way to operate your hockey club.

Fair enough. I don't either.

I'd like to see Guerin succeed as another former All-Star player turned GM.

 

[Brian39]

Kadri was fined for gesturing a throat slash.

Nick Boynton was suspended for the same.

Yeah, the unambiguous "I'm going to kill you" throat slash gesture is a completely different thing than a mock wind up to a stick swing that never comes. So is a middle finger. So are slurs.

There are plenty of non-contact things you can do to get supplemental discipline that are completely different than pulling your stick back like your thinking about slashing someone and then not slashing them.

 

[ChicagoBlues]

Yeah, the unambiguous "I'm going to kill you" throat slash gesture is a completely different thing than a mock wind up to a stick swing that never comes. So is a middle finger. So are slurs.

There are plenty of non-contact things you can do to get supplemental discipline that are completely different than pulling your stick back like your thinking about slashing someone and then not slashing them.

I disagree.

Maybe Foligno was just checking the curve on his blade (twice) and Kadri had an itch?

Jokes aside, both are violent gestures. Kadri didn't actually behead an opposing player. Foligno never swung the stick. I don't see much of a difference here.

 

[PocketNines]

Lets see what wins out, Evason's dumbass decision making or the hockey god's karma for everyone mocking it as a dumbass decision.

It's a lightning dodge. Talbot was the last guy to shut the Blues out IIRC. But they seemed to have figured out where to shoot on him and how to get him moving in the crease.

 

[STLegend]

Greenway also took an “accidentally on purpose” run at Mikkola in front of the Blues net with about 4 minutes left in the 3rd period. Guess I was the only guy to notice cause I haven’t been able to find a replay anywhere, but Greenway f***ing drilled Mikkola from behind about a mile away from any puck.

This what you're thinking of?

 

[CaliforniaBlues310]

This what you're thinking of?

I remember seeing this, and just going “oh so we’re just not going to call a blatant interference behind the play”

 

[Xerloris]

Yeah, the unambiguous "I'm going to kill you" throat slash gesture is a completely different thing than a mock wind up to a stick swing that never comes. So is a middle finger. So are slurs.

There are plenty of non-contact things you can do to get supplemental discipline that are completely different than pulling your stick back like your thinking about slashing someone and then not slashing them.

Ya because hurting someones feelings with words is so much worse than threatening physical bodily harm with a slash to the head.

 

[bleedblue1223]

Greenway also took an “accidentally on purpose” run at Mikkola in front of the Blues net with about 4 minutes left in the 3rd period. Guess I was the only guy to notice cause I haven’t been able to find a replay anywhere, but Greenway f***ing drilled Mikkola from behind about a mile away from any puck.

I don't think Wild fans have been as bad as some of the other teams we've faced in the past, but I made a post on the main thread about how weird some of their reactions to Schenn have been when they have players that do the exact same thing when it comes to pushing the line, and we've been the only recipient of something that clearly crossed the line for playoff standard, and what Spurgeon did crossed the line for any standard.

You simply can't be a fan of Greenway and Foligno and then get ass mad about what Schenn does.

 

[stl76]

This what you're thinking of?

Yup, that’s the one. Not a suspension or anything, probably should’ve just been 2 for interference...still a pretty brutal cheap shot hit tho. Greenway saw him the whole way and just blasts Mikkola who had no idea it was coming. Thanks for finding that!

I don't think Wild fans have been as bad as some of the other teams we've faced in the past, but I made a post on the main thread about how weird some of their reactions to Schenn have been when they have players that do the exact same thing when it comes to pushing the line, and we've been the only recipient of something that clearly crossed the line for playoff standard, and what Spurgeon did crossed the line for any standard.
You simply can't be a fan of Greenway and Foligno and then get ass mad about what Schenn does.

Yeah by and large I think wild fans have been great (there’s always some crazies...lord knows we have them).

I have really only seen a couple particular posters be pissy about Schenn.

 

[Sgt Schultz]

I've never seen a penalty called for a "made you flinch" style fake wind up that doesn't have any type of actual swing toward a guy. I have no desire to start penalizing that stuff. Let the player get laughed at for acting like a middle schooler and everyone moves on. I'm all for penalizing actual stick swings toward guys even if they don't contact them (see Binnington swinging his stick at Kadri). And I'm all for a ref telling a player to watch the bullshit and making a mental note that he's instigating stuff. But other than that we don't need the officials calling penalties for what is essentially stupid harmless mind games.

Schenn also left his skates to tag Middleton up high in the 1st period of game 3. His reputation among Wild fans is not unearned, even though I don't think any of his individual hits were bad enough to merit anything beyond 2 minute penalties.

The biggest threat from the referee's standpoint is the non-event escalates, especially if there is bad blood already or the game is out of hand on the scoreboard. That's where the preventative officiating of telling him pointedly to "knock that crap off" comes in.

If the league wants to make the guy's pocketbook lighter after the fact, that is up to them. But on the ice, it is pretty much worthy of a verbal scolding and those happen quite a bit.