Confirmed with Link: Oilers Do Not Match Broberg ($4.58M X2) & Holloway ($2.29M x 2) Offer Sheets | Oilers acquire STL 3rd '28 & Paul Fischer for Futures

[guymez]

They have/had space to sign them.

If the players want the bag on a bottom feeder all the power to them. It’s all good.

We want players that want to be here to win a cup

If thats true then why didnt they sign them?
This narrative that the players didnt want to sign and were banking on an offer sheet (something that happens once in a blue moon) makes no sense at all. Especially considering their limited NHL experience.

Maybe arbitration was a consideration for both players...its possible but that is within thier rights.
Its happened many times before where an arbitration hearing is scheduled.
As a matter of fact a very common scenario is for a player to sign just before the hearing because neither the team or the player want to go through it...its a messy process that can cause hard feelings.
Its just a negotiation tactic the agents employ to run the process as close to the hearing as possible.
That seems more likely to me and then St Louis came along.

 

[Canovin]

Not sure what world you live in but a million is not setting his family up for life, he’s not 80 years old. And its not a few million, its way more.

With a million, your mortgage and outstanding debts and expenses would be paid off with plenty of leftover to help your family. At 22, that's a hell of a head start

 

[GMofOilers]

They don't have the cap space. Broberg at 1.8 and Holloway at 1.5 would put them over the cap.

They were hoping to make it to like late August when both would have no choice but to sign for less like McLeod did a couple of years ago.

It blew up in their face.

This is why you can't be stupid with your cap management and waste millions of dollars as Holland did.

LTIR Kane has always been the plan, lots of room to sign Holloway and Broberg but those 2 players would rather take the bag and play on a bottom feeder

Like I keep saying all the power to them, they won’t be missed they will be replaced

 

[Oilhawks]

What context is needed? If true the players could be had by the org for around 3 million. Now today they are 7 million. He’s reporting a fact, we can analyze that.

Some are concerned it made have been one year, and walk to arb rights. Fine, sweeten and get 2 years you are still cheaper than the offer sheets and not an unreasonable price.

The context of contract status, ex: Holloway going to arbitration.

 

[Soundwave]

LTIR Kane has always been the plan, lots of room to sign Holloway and Broberg but those 2 players would rather take the bag and play on a bottom feeder

Like I keep saying all the power to them, they won’t be missed they will be replaced

Again this is only a temporary fix. When Kane comes off LTIR, you are over the cap, so then you are in a situation where you have to like bundle a 1st to get rid of Kane (assuming he's even willing to waive which is no garuntee).

The Oilers were forced to try to push Broberg/Holloway signings into like September with the hope we could get them locked in to like 1.2 mill deals each.

LTIR would only have addressed the situation if Kane was out of the entire regular season, and there's no indication of that being reality.

 

[Salvaged Ship]

These guys are not 34 year olds who have made good money in their careers and are looking to hook onto a team for low salary for a shot at a cup (see corpse Perry who should not have been signed again). This could very well be a one time shot for Broberg to get his family sorted for life, he might bust or blow out a knee and end up an AHL’er in a few years, he has proven squat. Blows my mind how anyone could be on Broberg’s case. This is potentially over 7 million more than the Oilers offered if true. If it was close you can make a case, it’s ridiculously more.

 

[Sra1974]

The context of contract status, ex: Holloway going to arbitration.

But is it really that big of a deal if he does? Or you buy the second year if you are that concerned? Price in that case couldn’t have been that high.

 

[GMofOilers]

Again this is only a temporary fix. When Kane comes off LTIR, you are over the cap, so then you are in a situation where you have to like bundle a 1st to get rid of Kane (assuming he's even willing to waive which is no garuntee).

The Oilers were forced to try to push Broberg/Holloway signings into like September with the hope we could get them locked in to like 1.2 mill deals each.

LTIR would only have addressed the situation if Kane was out of the entire regular season, and there's no indication of that being reality.

How you know we are over the cap? Who knows who’s hurt at that point in the season. If no one you make a deal

 

[TB12]

Signing Perry is irrelevant to the situation, his full cap hit can be buried. His signing doesn’t affect their ability to sign Holloway or Broberg at all.

Henrique is a legitimate NHL player who’s likely to have a bigger impact on the teams success this season then Broberg and Holloway combined. The goal for Edmonton this year is winning the Stanley Cup, not overpaying to retain question mark players who were relatively inconsequential to last seasons cup run.

You’re also too lazy to be aware that you can’t force a guy to sign a contract especially when he’s already asked for a trade

Both of these are well said. Still struggling to see how some posters fail to understand these points.

 

[Canovin]

Again this is only a temporary fix. When Kane comes off LTIR, you are over the cap, so then you are in a situation where you have to like bundle a 1st to get rid of Kane (assuming he's even willing to waive which is no garuntee).

The Oilers were forced to try to push Broberg/Holloway signings into like September with the hope we could get them locked in to like 1.2 mill deals each.

LTIR would only have addressed the situation if Kane was out of the entire regular season, and there's no indication of that being reality.

Kane has multiple injuries. He could spread out his surgeries and push the LTIR window further

 

[Salvaged Ship]

With a million, your mortgage and outstanding debts and expenses would be paid off with plenty of leftover to help your family. At 22, that's a hell of a head start

And he blows his knee out, busts, and ends up working at A&W in 3 years time. That’s really thinking smart, your sports team over setting your family up for life.

No point in talking to you, this is ridiculous.

 

[Frank the Tank]

How is this the oilers management fault? If the oilers and agents were talking what was the hurry to get something done by mid August?

This is a horrible look on the 2 players for accepting end of story

Broberg I understand. It's more than 3 times what the Oilers were offering and he had made noise previously about wanting a fresh start outside Edmonton. We all thought him playing big minutes in the playoffs changed that, but who knows?

The one I don't get is Holloway and his agent agreeing to be the lower paid second fiddle in the double offer sheet. He's willing to take half of what Broberg was offered (despite playing more in the playoffs) and still have to fight for a top-9 spot on the Blues? All for a much smaller raise.

 

[McDNicks17]

Not sure what world you live in but a million is not setting his family up for life, he’s not 80 years old. And its not a few million, its way more.

He could flame out of the league, go home and play hockey for more than 99% of the people in the world are making in a year and have a few million working for him in the bank.

The guy is already set for life.

 

[Oilhawks]

But is it really that big of a deal if he does? Or you buy the second year if you are that concerned? Price in that case couldn’t have been that high.

I guess if you don't want to keep him past this next season, it doesn't matter.

 

[Canovin]

People can hate the Perry signing but it's part of bringing the gang back together.

 

[Soundwave]

How you know we are over the cap? Know knows who’s hurt at that point in the season.

Because anyone can look at cap websites and see with Kane back on the roster they are over the cap if you have Broberg at say 1.6 and Holloway at 1.3.

There is no gauruntee someone else would magically be on LTIR when Kane comes back.

The bottom line is all this was a stupid situation created by Holland's idiotic cap management. We could easily have an extra $2-$3 million in cap space right now if he wasn't a blunder moron with his cap management.

Kane has multiple injuries. He could spread out his surgeries and push the LTIR window further

Either he is out for the full year or not. There is not kind/sorta/maybe ... yes or no, are you playing this regular season or not.

 

[GMofOilers]

Because anyone can look at cap websites and see with Kane back on the roster they are over the cap if you have Broberg at say 1.6 and Holloway at 1.3.

There is no gauruntee someone else would magically be on LTIR when Kane comes back.

The bottom line is all this was a stupid situation created by Holland's idiotic cap management. We could easily have an extra $2-$3 million in cap space right now if he wasn't a blunder moron with his cap management.

Then you make a deal a few months down the road, your allowed to go over the cap in the offseason.

We had room to sign them. Not sure why you are arguing this because you are wrong.

 

[Cloned]

I know them's fighting words, but re-sign Draisaitl?? Jake's an RFA the same summer Leon's UFA.
If you petty OS Jake but lose Leon, that's winning a battle but losing the war.

I mean we are gonna re-sign Drai this summer anyway.

 

[Mr Positive]

Again this is only a temporary fix. When Kane comes off LTIR, you are over the cap, so then you are in a situation where you have to like bundle a 1st to get rid of Kane (assuming he's even willing to waive which is no garuntee).

The Oilers were forced to try to push Broberg/Holloway signings into like September with the hope we could get them locked in to like 1.2 mill deals each.

LTIR would only have addressed the situation if Kane was out of the entire regular season, and there's no indication of that being reality.

Whatever move we'd need to stay under the cap would have to be done eventually anyway. Even if we signed Holloway and Broberg for a combined 3 million or whatever, there's no way it would have stayed that way for long.

All this offer sheet did was speed up the process and erase our chance to low ball the hell out of them. That sucks but if we just take emotion out of this it's still smart to keep them.

The only argument that might be convincing to me is that we might want to set a precedent for how much deals should cost. If Broberg and Holloway didn't leave anything on the table why should Bouchard or Draisaitl or McDavid?

But the other predecent is that if we let St Louis win here, other teams will feel more comfortable to do it to us later. The big reason a team doesn't do an offer sheet is that feel it will be matched

 

[GMofOilers]

If thats true then why didnt they sign them?
This narrative that the players didnt want to sign and were banking on an offer sheet (something that happens once in a blue moon) makes no sense at all. Especially considering their limited NHL experience.

Maybe arbitration was a consideration for both players...its possible but that is within thier rights. Its happened many times before where an arbitration hearing is scheduled.
As a matter of fact a very common scenario is for a player to sign just before the hearing because neither the team or the player want to go through it...its a messy process that can cause hard feelings.
Its just a negotiation tactic the agents employ to run the process as close to the hearing as possible.

Why hasn’t Dari signed yet? It’s not totally up to the team, there’s always 2 sides to a negotiation.

 

[Soundwave]

Then you make a deal a few months down the road, your allowed to go over the cap in the offseason.

We had room to sign them. Not sure why you are arguing this because you are wrong.

Deal for who though?

Every team is going to know you are in a bad position and have to move salary otherwise you will not be cap compliant and they will all ask for the moon in a cap dump.

In any case they tried to McLeod the two of them. It blew up in their face. Is what it is. The lesson of the story is not to put yourself in stupid positions like this to begin with.

 

[Salvaged Ship]

He could flame out of the league, go home and play hockey for more than 99% of the people in the world are making in a year and have a few million working for him in the bank.

The guy is already set for life.

No, he is not. Maybe he wants better for his family. And what makes you think he can’t have a shot at a cup at another point in his career?

 

[Lay Z Boy GM]

With a million, your mortgage and outstanding debts and expenses would be paid off with plenty of leftover to help your family. At 22, that's a hell of a head start

And you never know what’s going in their lives. Maybe they’re paying the remainder of their parents mortgage, let alone their own house so they can start living life.

 

[guymez]

Why hasn’t Dari signed yet? It’s not totally up to the team, there’s always 2 sides to a negotiation.

Of course.
The Drai situation is entirely different though...he is a pending UFA.
Broberg and Holloway were pending RFA's.
Completely different scenarios.

 

[McDNicks17]

And he blows his knee out, busts, and ends up working at A&W in 3 years time. That’s really thinking smart, your sports team over setting your family up for life.

No point in talking to you, this is ridiculous.

Or he could win 250 million in the lottery.

Using extreme cases is pretty silly.