Well...thats actually a future issue.We are tight against the cap because our core needs to get paid above others, soon. This is the motto now. This is why we are in this mess. 14 for Drai, 16 for McD. I agree they are worth it but not enough meat on the bone for others. Cap casualties, just like Clouder, we are much slower than we were yesterday.
Blues are taking a risk too but can't teach speed. Brutal for us, beneficial to them. Young players want ice time and too move up too, hopefully this is a lesson to McD and Drai. Not going to say anymore. No one is happy about it including myself.
Its still a problem though isnt it.That horse is thoroughly beaten to oblivion.![]()
What do you mean already cost them? Holloway's offer sheet is easy to match. Broberg's is the tricky one.Well...thats actually a future issue.
They havent even signed the core to their next contracts and their exisiting cap limitations have already cost them 2 young and upcoming players.
Players that they invested in and developed are now gone because the team prioritized the wrong players.
How much this benefits the Blues remains to be seen. Those are not good contracts for those players.
They are both very unproven players and they now have the added expectation to perform at a high level under the weight of those new contracts. It will be interesting to watch for sure.
Its still a problem though isnt it.
Are we not supposed to mention it now?
I wouldnt match Holloways offer.What do you mean already cost them? Holloway's offer sheet is easy to match. Broberg's is the tricky one.
I keep that easily. 2.3M is low quality 3rd liner money. Would be dumb to give away a guy with his potential, and in limited minutes he showed very well to end the year. 8 goals and 12 points in 31 games to end the year while playing less than 12 minutes a night majority of that on the 4th line. Doesn't break their back this season, and could still trade him next summer if you need to. This one still feels like a no brainer because the overpay is less than 1mil.I wouldnt match Holloways offer.
A cap strapped team is going to match a $2M+ (for 2 years) for a player that has 18 points in 89 games?
No thanks.
The attractiveness of both Holloway and Broberg as players was the fact that they were cheap and this team needs cheap players badly.
That just isnt the case anymore.
Yes, he's going to say that. I didn't sign your contract. You don't fit in my plans.What exactly is he going to say to him? Bowman didn’t signed Nurse’s contract.
Meh. Could be worse. Broberg and Turcotte fighting it out for worst top 10 pick in the 2019 draft.Broberg is gone for sure maybe we can keep Holloway. Just when things were going so good for the Oilers in the off season disaster had to hit![]()
You have to consider that the team couldnt afford to sign either player before the offer sheet happened. Holloway is making at least double now.I keep that easily. 2.3M is low quality 3rd liner money. Would be dumb to give away a guy with his potential, and in limited minutes he showed very well to end the year. 8 goals and 12 points in 31 games to end the year while playing less than 12 minutes a night majority of that on the 4th line. Doesn't break their back this season, and could still trade him next summer if you need to. This one still feels like a no brainer because the overpay is less than 1mil.
Let's just put out a Drai advertised 14.5 mil contract followed by yours truly McD (unknown) the next year (16 mil, 20 mil, sure). How does a good young player move up in minutes and make more $ when the core takes up too much of the cap? Very little room to move up the food chain. So this is the end result. Like it or not.
It is possible that reasonable offers were made to the players. The players may have refused to sign.You have to consider that the team couldnt afford to sign either player before the offer sheet happened. Holloway is making at least double now.
So now they have to make room for an extra $1M and they have no more cap space than they had before the offer sheets.
One of the reasons a team develops players is to give them cheap alternatives to fill out a the lineup. Thats expecially true with a top heavy team like this one. Holloway just doesnt fit that scenario any more.
The question that should be asked...why did the team prioritize signing a washed up player like Perry over young players like Holloway or Broberg?
They had years of investment in Holloway and Broberg and no investment at all in Perry.
Jackson needs to answer for that IMO.
Me personally, I’d be looking at potential solutions to work around these offer sheets tbh. But it’s looking like we’ll be losing on one of the two players.Its still a problem though isnt it.
Are we not supposed to mention it now?
I agree they should have prioritized getting these guys signed earlier to avoid this, but I'm still not letting Holloway and his potential walk over 1.3M cap hit above what you can bury in the AHL. With Kane going on LTIR they won't struggle to fit Holloway in.You have to consider that the team couldnt afford to sign either player before the offer sheet happened. Holloway is making at least double now.
So now they have to make room for an extra $1M and they have no more cap space than they had before the offer sheets.
One of the reasons a team develops players is to give them cheap alternatives to fill out a the lineup. Thats expecially true with a top heavy team like this one. Holloway just doesnt fit that scenario any more.
The question that should be asked...why did the team prioritize signing a washed up player like Perry over young players like Holloway or Broberg?
They had years of investment in Holloway and Broberg and no investment at all in Perry.
Jackson needs to answer for that IMO.
I guess I’ll play along..I didn't sign your contract. You don't fit in my plans.
Where do you play Broberg? He sucks on the right side.Never liked Broberg all that much, but I match that and say bye bye to Holloway. See what broberg is in 2 years and cry about it then.
He really didn't breakout though. He played well against Dallas but got destroyed against Florida- most of that due to playing his offside (and Nurse). He has never played well, at any level, on his off side. Man, that Nurse contract is a huge albatrossOne thing to consider about Broberg’s “breakout” in the playoffs. The playoffs are a marathon. It’s a long hard struggle. Guys play through so many serious injuries. The first series always being the worst of it. Now Broberg did make good on his chance. For that I’ll give him credit. But he came in fresh and rested and was able to tread water as he sprinted to the finish line. Do you think he would have been as effective playing through the war that are the first couple rounds of the playoffs? I dunno. It’s a huge gamble at that price point.
That’s why I put breakout in quotation marks. He’s a huge gamble. His value was that of cost effectiveness. At this price he can be mediocre on a mediocre Blues squad.Where do you play Broberg? He sucks on the right side.
He really didn't breakout though. He played well against Dallas but got destroyed against Florida- most of that due to playing his offside (and Nurse). He has never played well, at any level, on his off side. Man, that Nurse contract is a huge albatross
Holloway is a playoff guy, he brings grit, speed and skill. I'd keep him. Broberg would've probably been injured against Vancouver that series saw the Canucks take it to us physically.One thing to consider about Broberg’s “breakout”. The playoffs are a marathon. It’s a long hard struggle with the first couple series being the worst of it. Guys play through so many serious injuries, especially in the later rounds. Now Broberg did make good on his chance. For that I’ll give him credit. But he came in fresh and rested and was able to tread water as he sprinted to the finish line. Do you think he would have been as effective playing through the war that are the first couple rounds of the playoffs? I dunno. It’s a huge gamble at that price point.
Sad isn't it? Makes me very sad. You develop them and over ripen as KH would say then poof they are gone. We have existing cap limitations, imagine what it will be like when Drai goes from 8.5 to 14, McD from 12.5 to 16. If there are issues now, it's a problem should the Oilers go this route.Well...thats actually a future issue.
They havent even signed the core to their next contracts and their exisiting cap limitations have already cost them 2 young and upcoming players.
Players that they invested in and developed are now gone because the team prioritized the wrong players.
How much this benefits the Blues remains to be seen. Those are not good contracts for those players.
They are both very unproven players and they now have the added expectation to perform at a high level under the weight of those new contracts. It will be interesting to watch for sure.
Its still a problem though isnt it.
Are we not supposed to mention it now?
Not sure how accurate it is but to my undersatnding the team was waiting on Kane to see if he was going on LTIR so they had his space to help alleviate the cap situation a little.It is possible that reasonable offers were made to the players. The players may have refused to sign.
What would your opinion have been if JJ signed Broberg to a 2x4.5 million deal earlier this summer?
Well...when you say work around the offer sheets...what does that look like for you?Me personally, I’d be looking at potential solutions to work around these offer sheets tbh. But it’s looking like we’ll be losing on one of the two players.
You’re totally free to rehash talks of the bad contracts I guess.![]()
The thing is...the team doesnt have an issue with their forwards.I agree they should have prioritized getting these guys signed earlier to avoid this, but I'm still not letting Holloway and his potential walk over 1.3M cap hit above what you can bury in the AHL. With Kane going on LTIR they won't struggle to fit Holloway in.