Drubilly
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I think the Blues will make their picks and trade one or possibly two of Buch, Krug, Kyrou, and Faulk.
Are you trying to tank?Trade Krug, Binny and Buch. Get blue chip + pick(s). If you have to pay get rid off Krug than keep him and play out his contract.
Krug=addition by subtractionAre you trying to tank?
Hofer is not playoff ready. Binner has what, two years on his contract? We'll review then. But the problem is, no one gets amazing returns from even established 1A goalies anymore. So that's nothing more than a cap dump and I guarantee we'd retain something. Blues fans are funny. Here we have a scenario where two of the three bright spots of last year are being asked to pack their bags LOLKrug=addition by subtraction
Hofer is a legit NHL starter imo
Buchnevich would likely be replaced by younger player.
Markstrom just got a top 4 defenseman and a 1st and he's not on Binnington's level imo.Hofer is not playoff ready. Binner has what, two years on his contract? We'll review then. But the problem is, no one gets amazing returns from even established 1A goalies anymore. So that's nothing more than a cap dump and I guarantee we'd retain something. Blues fans are funny. Here we have a scenario where two of the three bright spots of last year are being asked to pack their bags LOL
I agree with all this. Binnington's return would have to be substantially better than Markstrom's return imo. And I'm extremely high on Hofer.Binner is not old, not on an unreasonable contract, elevates our frequently deficient D with his ability to play the puck, and is a competitive MFer who is calm under fire. We need those qualities.
I'm fine with moving many guys on our roster, but I think it would be a mistake to deal Binnington unless the return was spectacular, and we probably value him more than other teams do so that is unlikely.
There’s no point in moving Binnington because his contract is what the market rate is for an average starter and throwing Hofer into the fire when he isn’t ready would be a mistake.Markstrom just got a top 4 defenseman and a 1st and he's not on Binnington's level imo.
No goalie is "playoff ready" until they get tested in the playoffs. Binnington was a unheralded rookie with no playoff experience when he won the cup.
No one wants to move Buchnevich but the reality is that signing a player at his age to a longterm deal isn't ideal where the Blues are in their development. If he signs a team friendly deal then great but if he's asking market valued then he'll fetch a great package. Then Army can move on finding a replacement with our many chips or signing a younger FA with our plentiful cap room.
There’s no point in moving Binnington because his contract is what the market rate is for an average starter and throwing Hofer into the fire when he isn’t ready would be a mistake.
Binnington played in 2019 as a throwing shit against the fan effort by Armstrong because Johnson was horrible, Allen is too inconsistent to be a workhorse, and Husso was hurt.
Definitely not pre-draft without seeing who was picked 1-5. I'm only even considering such a deal if I know (and love) the specific guy I'm drafting. I wouldn't consider such a deal based on the understanding that it means I will get one of the guys in my top 6. Put another way, I would need to see a guy I have ranked top 3 or 4 in the draft class 'fall' to 6.Would you move Snuggerud and 16 to Utah for 6th oa? Be almost certain one of the 3 top LHD would be there.
There is no reality where you can fairly or accurately describe Kevin Bahl as a 'top 4 defenseman.' The most generous description of him is that he could still have top 4 upside, but even that is far from a safe bet.Markstrom just got a top 4 defenseman and a 1st and he's not on Binnington's level imo.
No goalie is "playoff ready" until they get tested in the playoffs. Binnington was a unheralded rookie with no playoff experience when he won the cup.
No one wants to move Buchnevich but the reality is that signing a player at his age to a longterm deal isn't ideal where the Blues are in their development. If he signs a team friendly deal then great but if he's asking market valued then he'll fetch a great package. Then Army can move on finding a replacement with our many chips or signing a younger FA with our plentiful cap room.
I think predicting who actually goes is really hard because that is so dependent on what is being offered. But I'd wager that Army is shopping around all of Buch, Saad, Faulk, Krug, and Leddy to varying degrees. You can probably include Hayes in that group as well, although I'd assume there isn't much market for him at the moment. That feels more like a rental deal down the line.Over 50% think a big name is outgoing. Do you all think Buchnevich? I would have but Army talked about selling him on Steen and his visions going forward. I think it will be a deadline move if we can't re-sign.
If not Buchy, then who?
Buch - M-NTC, 1 year left. (Treat this one as a rental on top of that)Trade Krug, Binny and Buch. Get blue chip + pick(s). If you have to pay get rid off Krug than keep him and play out his contract.
Well this team will sink. You like it or not.Are you trying to tank?
Excluding Price and Lehner, there are currently 15 goalies who make $5 mil+.Binnington is the 8th highest paid goalie in the league. Of thise 8, 4 have vezinas, 3 more have top 2 finishes, and the last, Gibson, hasa Jennings That is not market rate for an average goalie.
We don't need a Vezina contender. We could sign a 1A for a non-contender which is all we need for a couple Mil. Shelter Hofer/Z/Ellis for a few years, don't compete yet to get better draft picks, and hand them the reigns after that.
Excluding Price and Lehner, there are currently 15 goalies who make $5 mil+.
Only 3 of them have a cup.
The contract ends when Binnington is 33. So what if he’s overpaid as a backup for a year? It doesn’t matter with the cap and Hofer shouldn’t be making that much at that point.
Binnington’s contract isn’t a problem with the team’s construction - how the money spent on the defense is.
I’d rather pay Binnington $6 mil. AAV to platoon or backup the last 2 seasons without absolutely ruining Hofer and Zherenko’s development. Yeah, they could bring in a tandem goalie, but why do that when there’s not much of a marginal benefit for trading Binnington unless it’s a substantial overpay?
All true, but this is Binnington we're talking about. He won us a cup and what he means to us is worth the difference between him and a serviceable dude, at least to me. Besides, if we can squeeze into the playoffs he's capable of stealing a round or maybe 2, and what's that worth to a franchise making its way back to contention?Binnington is the 8th highest paid goalie in the league. Of thise 8, 4 have vezinas, 3 more have top 2 finishes, and the last, Gibson, hasa Jennings That is not market rate for an average goalie.
We don't need a Vezina contender. We could sign a 1A for a non-contender which is all we need for a couple Mil. Shelter Hofer/Z/Ellis for a few years, don't compete yet to get better draft picks, and hand them the reigns after that.
That’s fair, but why even have a tandem with someone who is likely not as good and can ruin Hofer’s development?I'm not saying he is overpaid. My point was we could sign a 1A who could transition to a 1B to shelter Hofer while we are not looking to make a cup run for less than Binnington. We aren't winning the cup with Prime Hasek or Vasi or a Walrus in net over the next couple years. So it doesn't matter too much if we have Binnington sheltering Hofer or a $3M goalie.
If we can get good assets for Binnington, there is an argument to be made that we should take it because Binner's contract will be nearly over when our window opens. The argument that we'd have to spend $6M or close to it to shelter Hofer is just wrong. You can disagree about trasing Binnington, but not because we absolutely cannot shelter Hofer for less than $6M.
All true, but this is Binnington we're talking about. He won us a cup and what he means to us is worth the difference between him and a serviceable dude, at least to me. Besides, if we can squeeze into the playoffs he's capable of stealing a round or maybe 2, and what's that worth to a franchise making its way back to contention?
That’s fair, but why even have a tandem with someone who is likely not as good and can ruin Hofer’s development?
I don’t think Binnington’s contract is an albatross. I’m just saying I don’t see the point in trading him unless there was a substantial return (1st round pick). Right now with how much term he has left and where Hofer is in his development, I don’t foresee that happening this year. It could happen next year (25-26), but that would require Binnington to replicate another year like 23-24 - he arguably should’ve been a Vezina finalist this year and for Hofer to start like 35 games and show improvement.