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For starters, I think we stole Jecho where we picked him. You can't teach size. The dude is a massive 6'-5" at 18. He could still grow an inch or two before he is done. 205 lbs. before he fleshes out in his 20's. The dude is going to be a monster and almost impossible to move off the puck. His rookie season with the Oil Kings he's almost a point per game guy. He's a good distributor of the puck and a pretty well-rounded player. The only knock on him really is his skating and willingness to be physical. I know skating is even more important in today's game but given time to mature (and have his skating catch up with his body) I think he turns into a really good middle six player at minimum. This year for Czechia (U20) he had 6 points in 4 games. This guy is a diamond in the rough.

With Stancl, i don't think he has the upside of Jecho but I do see him being a really good bottom 6 shut down forward and a PK specialist that every team needs and underappreciates. He has good size and strength. His motor / forecheck and ability to retrieve / dig out pucks in the defensive zone is top notch.

When we review our rankings in a couple years, (especially with Jecho) we'll laugh that we ranked him so low.
The main knock on him is his hockey sense. It appears to be pretty below average.

I don’t really see a big issue with his skating. And he has a really nice shot. But his hockey sense is the main concern for me.
 

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My only question mark about Jecho is he reminds me alot of Logan Brown. But, I wouldn't be surprised to see him easily exceed anything Brown has done in hockey. Also a much easier pill to swallow for draft location as well.
 
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The main knock on him is his hockey sense. It appears to be pretty below average.

I don’t really see a big issue with his skating. And he has a really nice shot. But his hockey sense is the main concern for me.
Agreed. I think with his size and skill, his floor is pretty high but not sure I see much offensive upside. Looks like a nice bottom 6 player if he hits.
 
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The main knock on him is his hockey sense. It appears to be pretty below average.

I don’t really see a big issue with his skating. And he has a really nice shot. But his hockey sense is the main concern for me.

I always get confused with hockey sense in terms of scouting players.

Is this just a nicer way to say he thinks the game slow?

It's kind of a mixed bag when you get something like that. Is it mental processes in general are too slow because he's trying to do too much? Maybe too slow because of the system they're in, or even the common linemates they have?

I wonder when i see that most of the time if that's something that's teachable or not.
 

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I always get confused with hockey sense in terms of scouting players.

Is this just a nicer way to say he thinks the game slow?

It's kind of a mixed bag when you get something like that. Is it mental processes in general are too slow because he's trying to do too much? Maybe too slow because of the system they're in, or even the common linemates they have?

I wonder when i see that most of the time if that's something that's teachable or not.
Hockey sense can be something that’s pretty hard to evaluate as it’s not really measurable via a metric but it’s by far the most important aspect of a player IMO.

But yes, some guys process the game faster than others and some slower than others. In the grand scheme of all hockey players, I’m sure Jecho’s processing and understanding of the game is in the top few percent of the world. But based on the average NHL player, it’s pretty notably below average IMO. It’s not just processing but where to go, seeing plays develop, seeing various options available, seeing and then taking advantage of a miscue from an opponent, etc. To me, Jecho gets lost on the ice a lot and isn’t very effective in actually utilizing his skills.

Some think you either have it or you don’t but I disagree. I thing a good chunk of it is innate but I think the work of Adam Oates, Daryl Belfry and others has shown that it’s at least somewhat teachable.

I’ve always wondered if the NHL does any sort of cognitive test like the NFL does with the Wonderlic. I’ve never heard of them doing one though. That natural level of intelligence and processing speed is what likely can’t really be improved upon. But there’s different types of intelligence. I’ve met people that are complete morons at typical school subjects but geniuses when it comes to a specific sport.

But hockey is a game with a lot of improv, not set plays like football. But there’s still plenty of pre-established patterns and techniques to learn that will allow players to get open, be available for a pass, anticipate what the opposition is going to do and stop it etc. The understanding of that stuff can absolutely be learned and improved upon if a player puts in the work, has good coaching and/or seeks out specialized coaching.
 

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Hockey sense can be something that’s pretty hard to evaluate as it’s not really measurable via a metric but it’s by far the most important aspect of a player IMO.

But yes, some guys process the game faster than others and some slower than others. In the grand scheme of all hockey players, I’m sure Jecho’s processing and understanding of the game is in the top few percent of the world. But based on the average NHL player, it’s pretty notably below average IMO. It’s not just processing but where to go, seeing plays develop, seeing various options available, seeing and then taking advantage of a miscue from an opponent, etc. To me, Jecho gets lost on the ice a lot and isn’t very effective in actually utilizing his skills.

Some think you either have it or you don’t but I disagree. I thing a good chunk of it is innate but I think the work of Adam Oates, Daryl Belfry and others has shown that it’s at least somewhat teachable.

I’ve always wondered if the NHL does any sort of cognitive test like the NFL does with the Wonderlic. I’ve never heard of them doing one though. That natural level of intelligence and processing speed is what likely can’t really be improved upon. But there’s different types of intelligence. I’ve met people that are complete morons at typical school subjects but geniuses when it comes to a specific sport.

But hockey is a game with a lot of improv, not set plays like football. But there’s still plenty of pre-established patterns and techniques to learn that will allow players to get open, be available for a pass, anticipate what the opposition is going to do and stop it etc. The understanding of that stuff can absolutely be learned and improved upon if a player puts in the work, has good coaching and/or seeks out specialized coaching.

This cannot be any truer. A lot of the guys who were the best hitters for baseball that i've ever played with were dumber than a box of rocks.

That's kind of where that question stemmed from. It's easy to see hockey sense and go alright, now how is it teachable/fixable.

Wasn't sure if it were a schematic thing, a timid thing, or just an overall slow brain thing.

Thank you!
 
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Hockey sense can be something that’s pretty hard to evaluate as it’s not really measurable via a metric but it’s by far the most important aspect of a player IMO.

But yes, some guys process the game faster than others and some slower than others. In the grand scheme of all hockey players, I’m sure Jecho’s processing and understanding of the game is in the top few percent of the world. But based on the average NHL player, it’s pretty notably below average IMO. It’s not just processing but where to go, seeing plays develop, seeing various options available, seeing and then taking advantage of a miscue from an opponent, etc. To me, Jecho gets lost on the ice a lot and isn’t very effective in actually utilizing his skills.

Some think you either have it or you don’t but I disagree. I thing a good chunk of it is innate but I think the work of Adam Oates, Daryl Belfry and others has shown that it’s at least somewhat teachable.

I’ve always wondered if the NHL does any sort of cognitive test like the NFL does with the Wonderlic. I’ve never heard of them doing one though. That natural level of intelligence and processing speed is what likely can’t really be improved upon. But there’s different types of intelligence. I’ve met people that are complete morons at typical school subjects but geniuses when it comes to a specific sport.

But hockey is a game with a lot of improv, not set plays like football. But there’s still plenty of pre-established patterns and techniques to learn that will allow players to get open, be available for a pass, anticipate what the opposition is going to do and stop it etc. The understanding of that stuff can absolutely be learned and improved upon if a player puts in the work, has good coaching and/or seeks out specialized coaching.
If you had to rate our prospects for hockey iq, who would be your top five?
 

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I was looking through some of EPs older draft guides and found this gem of a scouting report.

Jake Neighbours - Rank: DO NOT DRAFT

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I was wondering why I couldn't find him in their top player rankings. Such a shame the Blues drafted a kid with such little potential.

Hard to see him ever doing something like scoring 27 goals in his first full NHL season. :sarcasm:
 

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If you had to rate our prospects for hockey iq, who would be your top five?
1. Lindstein
2. Dvorsky
3. Stenberg
4. Pekarcik
5. Jiricek or Bolduc. Snuggerud’s on-ice awareness is pretty good too

Jiricek I have a harder time evaluating as I just haven’t seen a ton of him. His skills are pretty evident so if he can show high hockey sense this season, then I’ll fall in love with him (as a hockey player 😉)
 

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I think one thing to remember with NHL prospects and draft scouting reports, these are reports from when they are 16/17/18, and there is a massive amount of development they go through from 18-22. While they generally get it right as you can look at historical draft positions and it tracks to how they perform in the pros, it's not like other leagues like say NFL where they are drafting players that are 3 years out of high school, and gone through significant development at the NCAA level. While NFL prospects flop, the NFL draft has also already filtered out the 18 year olds that flopped at the NCAA level, but based on recruiting rankings, would've been a top pick as an 18 year old. Or the flip side, where hidden gems as 18 year olds now look like they real deal when they are drafted to the NFL when they are 21/22/23.

Parayko's physical growth is an example. He already had a late growth spurt in his teenage years, and then had another growth spurt in his NCAA years.
 

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I was looking through some of EPs older draft guides and found this gem of a scouting report.

Jake Neighbours - Rank: DO NOT DRAFT

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I was wondering why I couldn't find him in their top player rankings. Such a shame the Blues drafted a kid with such little potential.

Hard to see him ever doing something like scoring 27 goals in his first full NHL season. :sarcasm:
Wow. Talk about a swing and a miss!

I have absolutely no personal analysis from the 2020 or 2021 drafts as I was knee deep in covid garbage those years but that seems quite extreme to discount a player’s hockey sense so much to say he shouldn’t even be drafted at all.
 
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Wow. Talk about a swing and a miss!

I have absolutely no personal analysis from the 2020 or 2021 drafts as I was knee deep in covid garbage those years but that seems quite extreme to discount a player’s hockey sense so much to say he shouldn’t even be drafted at all.
I spent way too long looking through the rankings and thinking I must've picked up the wrong draft year or something. For some reason the search function didn't work on the PDF. Then I get to the bottom and see him listed as undraftable.

Pretty bold take. They also had Will Cuylle, Shakir Mukhamadullin, and Tyler Kleven on the list.
 
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Sick mitts on the first goal! Dangles start at about 13:45.

Second goal rush comes at about 105:40 on a quick breakout and nice touch pass from his linemate. Pekarcik flies past the defender and tucks it top shelf again.

Pekarcik looks like a man amongst boys out there.

Add another assist for Pekarcik in the third on a slick behind the back pass from behind the net. That's 2G-2A for him so far.
 
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Holy shit that first goal was dirty. Kid's clearly got hands. His pass just before was really nice too, basically make that D-man look silly and if the guy going down the middle had a brain he would have ripped a shot from the middle instead of basically skating himself into trouble.
 

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Sick mitts on the first goal! Dangles start at about 13:45.

Second goal rush comes at about 105:40 on a quick breakout and nice touch pass from his linemate. Pekarcik flies past the defender and tucks it top shelf again.

Pekarcik looks like a man amongst boys out there.

Add another assist for Pekarcik in the third on a slick behind the back pass from behind the net. That's 2G-3A for him so far.
I've often thought of him as a Dallas Drake type, but I never saw Drake do anything like that. He is only starting to realize how good he can be. I'm not saying he will end up being more impactful than our more highly touted forward prospects, but it's not as unlikely as many think,
 
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My only question mark about Jecho is he reminds me alot of Logan Brown. But, I wouldn't be surprised to see him easily exceed anything Brown has done in hockey. Also a much easier pill to swallow for draft location as well.
You cannot teach size (much), but you also can’t change a brain (much).
 

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You cannot teach size (much), but you also can’t change a brain (much).
What I noticed watching lots of CHL hockey is Jecho would take the puck and skate around everyone into an unproductive black hole. (A corner, a swarm of 3 guys). There is a lot of talent there. Maybe tried to do too much as the team only had a couple good players. I don’t mind where we drafted him. It’s an impressive tool bag. He even looked good in the CHL prospects game, but….
 

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I would much rather have a defenseman who pulls the puck off the oppositions stick with exceptional frequency and can exit the zone with elite proficiency than one trying to hit his way to glory. This coming from one of the bigger Scott Steven’s fans out there.
I didn’t see any elite proficiency in the video of Jiricek. I saw a bigger version of Torey Krug healthy which isn’t a bad thing. Good first pass and good vision, but doesn’t necessarily make the best decisions and coughs up the puck at inopportune times. Good far outweighs the bad. Even Petro hit streaking opposition players for the occasional dot to Dot pass in his own zone when he should’ve pinched off his forechecker and coughed up the puck. Look forward to following him in the CHL along with many other future Blues.
 

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I didn’t see any elite proficiency in the video of Jiricek. I saw a bigger version of Torey Krug healthy which isn’t a bad thing. Good first pass and good vision, but doesn’t necessarily make the best decisions and coughs up the puck at inopportune times. Good far outweighs the bad. Even Petro hit streaking opposition players for the occasional dot to Dot pass in his own zone when he should’ve pinched off his forechecker and coughed up the puck. Look forward to following him in the CHL along with many other future Blues.
The proficiency I was talking about was in reference to the Petro comparison.

One of the bigger questions I have is Jiricek just trying to do too much because he can get away it against lessor competition and he will smarten up against better competition? Or, is he just feeling out the game because he is still developing and still needs to build that foundational awareness? Or, will he always lack hockey sense in selecting when to be aggressive vs passive?

I have a lot of hockey sense questions and missing a year at a critical juncture doesn’t help us get a good sense of the answers to questions surrounding his hockey sense.

I do believe he will get better in that regard. The main question for me being: how much?
 

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I didn’t see any elite proficiency in the video of Jiricek. I saw a bigger version of Torey Krug healthy which isn’t a bad thing. Good first pass and good vision, but doesn’t necessarily make the best decisions and coughs up the puck at inopportune times. Good far outweighs the bad. Even Petro hit streaking opposition players for the occasional dot to Dot pass in his own zone when he should’ve pinched off his forechecker and coughed up the puck. Look forward to following him in the CHL along with many other future Blues.
I wouldn't compare Jiricek and Krug at all. Jiricek is a tall, lanky defenseman with excellent skating and defense who can play in all situations. Krug is a small, slow defenseman with fast-twitch quarterbacking abilities who requires heavy sheltering defensively. Two totally different players IMO.
 
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I wouldn't compare Jiricek and Krug at all. Jiricek is a tall, lanky defenseman with excellent skating and defense who can play in all situations. Krug is a small, slow defenseman with fast-twitch quarterbacking abilities who requires heavy sheltering defensively. Two totally different players IMO.
My comparison relates to his ability to make a first pass or set up pass which Krug did exceptionally well. Also, how he physically separates opponents from the puck and leaves with it as Krug though undersized does really well. A Krug with size is a big complement. It’s interesting to see how he adjusts to the CHL. If he is that overly aggressive, then Jiricek too Will need a sheltering partner.
 

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