Prospect Info: Blues 2021 draft

[BlueMed]

I have no problem drafting a goalie in the 1st if they have easily the most value of guys left on the board. Having said that, I don't like the pieces we have to draft a goalie yet. You shouldn't have a bare prospect cupboard and draft a goalie. You don't build from the crease out. It took Montreal over a decade to build a contender around Price. Varly is playing in a scheme where the goalie is the least important, which is why him, Lehner, and Sorokin have all put up stellar numbers. Vasy is the best goalie in the game, but also happens to be on the best built overall team in the NHL. The Ducks have been trying to rebuild around Gibson for a minute and it'll still take them 2-3 more years at the earliest before they are a good, playoff team.

Yes, you do. Goaltenders typically take about 5 years to develop. Defensemen usually take around 4, and forwards 3-4 years. Getting a good goaltender solidifies 1 out of 3 positions with 1 single player.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

Cossa and Wallstedt have high elite potential. If one of those players falls to STL, it's a no brainer to take one of them. You take the best player available and go from there. Just because the Blues already have goaltender prospects doesn't mean they can't trade them.

Goaltending prospects tend to have little value after getting drafted until they show they can stop pucks in nhl. Trading one of ours isn’t likely to yield much. You better be darn certain you are drafting Price or Vasy if you spend first in one.

 

[BlueMed]

Goaltending prospects tend to have little value after getting drafted until they show they can stop pucks in nhl. Trading one of ours isn’t likely to yield much. You better be darn certain you are drafting Price or Vasy if you spend first in one.

Cossa and Wallstedt not only have a higher ceiling but also a higher certainty of success than most forwards or defensemen the Blues would be getting at 16.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

Cossa and Wallstedt not only have a higher ceiling but also a higher certainty of success than most forwards or defensemen the Blues would be getting at 16.

Not sure I buy that they have higher certainty.

 

[sfvega]

Yes, you do. Goaltenders typically take about 5 years to develop. Defensemen usually take around 4, and forwards 3-4 years. Getting a good goaltender solidifies 1 out of 3 positions with 1 single player.

Ok, let's see if Seattle takes an elite goalie prospect in Wallstedt or a C/D. The chances they take Beniers, who a lot of people don't think has franchise 1C potential, over one of the best goalie prospects of the last 5 years is pretty damn high.

 

[Beauterham]

Just for fun, the draftsim appears to have been updated:

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[Ranksu]

He could potentially dropp to us if we pick him.

 

[Frenzy31]

He could potentially dropp to us if we pick him.

I don’t think he will fall to the third round. But I am not waisting number 16 on him.

 

[Beauterham]

I don’t think he will fall to the third round. But I am not waisting number 16 on him.

Make it the 5th round... I was really hoping we'd get Ryan Winterton in the 3rd.

 

[Blueswin]

What do you think if Cole Sillinger, C, Sioux Falls (USHL) fell to us instead of Corson Ceulemans, D or Carson Lambos, D,?

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

What do you think if Cole Sillinger, C, Sioux Falls (USHL) fell to us instead of Corson Ceulemans, D or Carson Lambos, D,?

He seems like great prospect but not expected to last to 16.

 

[Blueswin]

Fair poimt!

 

[Beauterham]

What do you think if Cole Sillinger, C, Sioux Falls (USHL) fell to us instead of Corson Ceulemans, D or Carson Lambos, D,?

Then we select him... same if Owen Power falls to 16.

 

[Spear]

Then we select him... same if Owen Power falls to 16.

 

[Davimir Tarablad]

Then we select him... same if Owen Power falls to 16.

Who wants to be the sacrificial lamb for the hockey gods to make it happen?

 

[sfvega]

What do you think if Cole Sillinger, C, Sioux Falls (USHL) fell to us instead of Corson Ceulemans, D or Carson Lambos, D,?

I really like Sillinger. I've seen him fall in mocks to 14/15, but Dallas and NYR have good scouting and NYR is almost guaranteed to go center so 10-15 is a minefield for him to get taken.

 

[The Note]

Pronman has an article up on The Athletic today where he polled 20 anonymous scouts/execs on some of the top prospects heading into this year's draft. It's interesting to see how opinions vary between these guys. Some of the prospects that have been talked about ITT were featured:

Carson Lambos, LHD, Winnipeg-WHL:
“I appreciate his skating, his physicality. Will there be offense, though? That will be the difference between him being top four or a third pair, and I think that part of his game isn’t clear.”

Fedor Svechkov, C, Togliatti-VHL:
“You’re drafting a good 3C in all likelihood, maybe he’s a (2C) if your team is desperate. I think people don’t understand how hard getting a good 3C is though. Teams pay for those guys and they will for him.”

Corson Ceulemans, RHD, Brooks-AJHL:
“He will go first round for sure, but he’d concern me there. He has size, skating and some offense, but his hockey sense gives me real issues going after him with a high pick.”

Matthew Coronato, RW, Chicago-USHL:
“He’s a rather complete hockey player except for his height. He did everything he could this season to justify he was a top-20 pick.”

There's more on each of these guys + way more prospects covered, but wasn't sure how close I was to skirting site rules w/r/t paywalls.

 

[Bobby Orrtuzzo]

I start this by saying I haven’t really watched all that much of Svechkov’s game, nor was I watching much back in 2007, but with the above saying svechkov could be a “good 3c, or 2c on a desperate team”, is there any comparable to say Lars Eller?

 

[Majorityof1]

I start this by saying I haven’t really watched all that much of Svechkov’s game, nor was I watching much back in 2007, but with the above saying svechkov could be a “good 3c, or 2c on a desperate team”, is there any comparable to say Lars Eller?

The comparable I saw was Phillip Danault. I haven't seen Ellers because the comparisons are more stylistic than how good the player will be. Ellers and Scechkov may fill a similar role, However, Ellers is a much better skater but is less consistent in his compete level.

 

[MissouriMook]

I thought the comments on Chaz Lucius were interesting. He is one of the players I see as potentially being available at 16 that might fit the mold of an offensive force that will play the way Berube expects his forwards to play. He sounds kind of like an "anti-Thomas" if you will in the sense that he has a little more size but a little less speed and is more of a "shoot first" rather than "pass first" forward.

“You don’t see a lot of goal heavy, average feet and compete NHL centers, so I think he ultimately goes to the wing. He will score a lot, he’s extremely skilled and can make plays to go with the goals.”

“He has elite skill and elite timing around the net. He has courage and hockey sense. The skating will need to improve, but I still see a high scoring top-six forward in the NHL.”

 

[The Note]

I thought the comments on Chaz Lucius were interesting. He is one of the players I see as potentially being available at 16 that might fit the mold of an offensive force that will play the way Berube expects his forwards to play. He sounds kind of like an "anti-Thomas" if you will in the sense that he has a little more size but a little less speed and is more of a "shoot first" rather than "pass first" forward.

“You don’t see a lot of goal heavy, average feet and compete NHL centers, so I think he ultimately goes to the wing. He will score a lot, he’s extremely skilled and can make plays to go with the goals.”

“He has elite skill and elite timing around the net. He has courage and hockey sense. The skating will need to improve, but I still see a high scoring top-six forward in the NHL.”

First round name, that is for sure. I also thought those comments were interesting as well. I am always a little put off when there are concerns about skating with a first round prospect, though.

 

[LetsGoBLUES91]

I like the idea of Lambos at 16 I think.

 

[Colt55]

I like the idea of Lambos at 16 I think.

Ist Corson ceulemans the better dman? I know he is at 15 and the rhd. Just wanted to hear your thoughts on the difference

 

[sfvega]

Ist Corson ceulemans the better dman? I know he is at 15 and the rhd. Just wanted to hear your thoughts on the difference

Ceulemans' upside is more on the offensive end. He seems like he could be another Faulk. But Faulk has taken a lot of strides defensively since he arrived, and he arrived as a veteran already. Ceulemans is going to take time defensively, but will have that offensive skill. I think if we think Parayko is going to stay, RD is less of an issue. One of the reasons I favor Lambos is because projecting forward, Scandella isn't the guy we wanted him to be, Dunn seems like he'll either be traded or ED'd, and Peru is a PMD in the vein of Dunn. There's an easier path to top 4 on the left side than the right, barring Parayko leaving. Lambos is more what we lack in a stay-at-home defenseman where as Ceulemans' strong suit is what Parayko, Faulk, Krug, Peru, and Dunn (again, who knows if he'll be here) all bring. If we needed a PMD, then the scales would tip to Ceulemans. As is, I think the hole is bigger on LD a year or two from now when these guys would be coming into the picture. And the hole in defensive defensemen is bigger. Mikkola is a nice player, but I'm not sure many are safe projecting him to top 4.

 

[Colt55]

Ceulemans' upside is more on the offensive end. He seems like he could be another Faulk. But Faulk has taken a lot of strides defensively since he arrived, and he arrived as a veteran already. Ceulemans is going to take time defensively, but will have that offensive skill. I think if we think Parayko is going to stay, RD is less of an issue. One of the reasons I favor Lambos is because projecting forward, Scandella isn't the guy we wanted him to be, Dunn seems like he'll either be traded or ED'd, and Peru is a PMD in the vein of Dunn. There's an easier path to top 4 on the left side than the right, barring Parayko leaving. Lambos is more what we lack in a stay-at-home defenseman where as Ceulemans' strong suit is what Parayko, Faulk, Krug, Peru, and Dunn (again, who knows if he'll be here) all bring. If we needed a PMD, then the scales would tip to Ceulemans. As is, I think the hole is bigger on LD a year or two from now when these guys would be coming into the picture. And the hole in defensive defensemen is bigger. Mikkola is a nice player, but I'm not sure many are safe projecting him to top 4.

Thanks for the break down. Much appreciated