Blue Jackets fire back after Laine roasts organization

[Marioesque]

felt he should stay in the lineup because...reasons.

And those reasons were something along the lines of "I know I've been crap but you can't improve on the bench so I'd rather play through it". Which I tend to agree with.

 

[Marioesque]

Quoted for truth. Have personally dealt with the like before. It doesn't make him not a narcissist. It's telling people what he thinks they want to hear.

So you're saying he's cured from his narcissism because he just said something apparently nobody wanted to hear? (from him, they loved it from Waddell).

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

the point is they have nothing to show for it. even after getting a generational player.

Took the Caps 13 years to win with OV

 

[Viqsi]

So you're saying he's cured from his narcissism because he just said something apparently nobody wanted to hear? (from him, they loved it from Waddell).

You've not been arguing in good faith at any point in this thread or while you were hanging out on HFCBJ and as a result I'm not interested in debating with you. We're not buying what you're selling anymore.

 

[Viqsi]

They didn’t say the same things, or in the same way. And Waddell IS the GM, not another player. There is a difference.

And he certainly isn’t a player floating around most of the games on the ice, and bitching about every single coach we’ve had recently, when he’s off the ice. Your boy Patty literally was one of, if not the main reason that made the team borderline unwatchable the last few years.

Waddell was talking about players like Laine, or Laine himself. Literally everything is about them, not the team. Now he just needs to finish the job and get Merzlikins away from the team.

I would at least give Elvis the credit that he was willing to stick around and try. Laine wasn't even willing to do that much.

Second chances are a valuable thing that people deserve. The folks who spit on them are the ones that should earn wrath and disgust. That's why I'm pissed at Laine. Elvis may still have issues, but he's at least trying. We may indeed have to move on from him eventually. But as long as he's willing to try, and do so in good faith... well, that puts him quite a ways ahead of the other guy (and quite a few other people out there too).

 

[EXTRAS]

Funny because if you asked me to name a handful of guys in the league who have talent but seem like they don't care enough to truly achieve their potential, Laine would have been near the top. Same with players who seem like they give up.

 

[Marioesque]

You've not been arguing in good faith at any point in this thread or while you were hanging out on HFCBJ and as a result I'm not interested in debating with you. We're not buying what you're selling anymore.

Oh now it's not "good faith" to not accept these diagnoses at face value?
I still mostly read the CBJ board, I still watch the team.

Just don't want to be around bus.

 

[Viqsi]

Oh now it's not "good faith" to not accept these diagnoses at face value?

I'm not going into the details because that would be debate, and as I have already stated, I'm not interested in debating with you.

 

[majormajor]

If you were working somewhere where they weren't apparently very interested in progressing much towards winning, and after 3 years you figured it's time to change the scenery, would a slight personnel change make you really go "oh yeah now it's gonna get serious"? I get your point, he could have committed to being part of that change but this was his way out of situation. It is what it is, can't say I've always been a fan of his problem solving or oversharing in the media.

Columbus is playing better hockey this season than in a long while. That's to be expected, we've all known how good the young core is and their emergence was expected. And the Russians were all hits and getting better. Not shocked at all that CBJ is currently better than Montreal, there's more depth. The guys have grown into their roles.

It's really nonsense though - the Jackets tried and failed to make progress towards winning. Their personnel moves attest to that. They disappointed a lot. And then he goes to a team in Montreal that is in more of a plain old rebuild where losses are treated with less negativity.

That's on top of Laine being a big part of the problem in Columbus.

"It wasn't a great fit for either side" would have been a more careful politically correct way to put it, it also would have been more accurate. What he said was just bullshit.

Yesterday I saw someone mention in the CBJ board thread something like "not surprising he felt that way about some fans where he received death threats". I don't know if that's a thing that happened, first time I heard it mentioned and not saying it's a real thing, just curious if anyone heard about it?

That's someone probably misremembering the whole Elvis death threats issue. We're not sure what happened there though it had nothing to do with Laine. Fans were immensely supportive of Laine considering that he played perhaps 100 good games in his Jackets tenure. He was either bad or injured for most of it.

 

[CarolinaBlueJacket]

I'm not even conservative, i'm against all your american cancer culture tho.

This is hfboards. There will posters that will be pro cancer.

 

[Voight]

We love a good beef in the hockey world.

I think there’s two ways to go here, and neither are really wrong. We all know Laine is not above reproach, he has had his moments where the he has drawn scorn. But that doesn’t mean his comments aren’t without truth. The Blue Jackets have been in the wilderness for their entire existence. They were a rudderless ship in his time there. At times in part because of him, but it doesn’t mean it wasn’t a product of his environment. And if he’s saying it, there are others who think it. It may not be right, but it doesn’t make him wrong.

Werenski obviously has to defend his team and teammates, and I don’t think what was said was to say they were bad teammates to Laine. They have to uphold their own integrity, which I trust exists because they have had a long of Things happen the last few years, which includes Laine himself. And the Blue Jackets have since had their organization turned over.

To be fair towards the end of his time there they made a push to sign the best free agent available (and succeed), and traded for two quality defensemen in a n effort to improve and make the playoffs.

& right before he got there, they made playoffs four straight seasons even making them after they lost their best player and starting goalie in 2019.

It's a fact that Columbus is a losing organization. They end up being the last in the division every single season.

Ehh, they made the playoffs every year from 2017-2020.

 

[Marioesque]

It's really nonsense though - the Jackets tried and failed to make progress towards winning. Their personnel moves attest to that. They disappointed a lot. And then he goes to a team in Montreal that is in more of a plain old rebuild where losses are treated with less negativity.

That's on top of Laine being a big part of the problem in Columbus.

"It wasn't a great fit for either side" would have been a more careful politically correct way to put it, it also would have been more accurate. What he said was just bullshit.



That's someone probably misremembering the whole Elvis death threats issue. We're not sure what happened there though it had nothing to do with Laine. Fans were immensely supportive of Laine considering that he played perhaps 100 good games in his Jackets tenure. He was either bad or injured for most of it.

I know what he was, I watched the games. Mostly out. Some time in recovery after each injury, looking mediocre or bad for few games. But ending up PPG basically when healthy. Without proper PP utilization.

And you're correct, he could have either shut up or worded things more correctly and been more into detail so people would not be able to take it so far out of context.

He said what Waddell said. But only for Waddell it was ok to say the same thing. I personally don't love the double standard.


And yes it's nonsense, but it might be what he feels. He might be more convinced by the future of habs than he was with CBJ. Although that might be a bad calculation on his part, it's still something he felt he needed to do.

Considering he had 8 PP goals in 9 games in MTL so far and 18 in his entire time in CBJ, he could argue he made the right call personally. His team is winning more with him.

 

[majormajor]

I know what he was, I watched the games. Mostly out. Some time in recovery after each injury, looking mediocre or bad for few games. But ending up PPG basically when healthy. Without proper PP utilization.

And you're correct, he could have either shut up or worded things more correctly and been more into detail so people would not be able to take it so far out of context.

He said what Waddell said. But only for Waddell it was ok to say the same thing. I personally don't love the double standard.

The double standard is going to Montreal after you complain about the Jackets being okay with losing.

 

[BillDineen]

Torts really f***ed with his head, didn't he? I hope Michkov survives him

 

[Marioesque]

The double standard is going to Montreal after you complain about the Jackets being okay with losing.

He was talking from having the perspective of his team being 6-3-0 with him in it, and 8 PP goals in 9 games. He had 18 PP goals in Columbus, total.

If you look at any of the news articles written in the few weeks, he has definitely thrived. So even though he might be wrong about which team is overall better, from his perspective he is winning and scoring. That's what he wanted. Should he feel he isn't better off?

Also, which NHL team do we associate most with winning Stanley cups? Why would he be any different? Why do you think it's wrong for him to think that Montreal represents winning culture? It's not like Laine was alone saying CBJ org were accepting losing. But he should believe in it more than MTL?

 

[Stephen]

Like I said I was 15, it was the 90s, he was a family friend who took advantage of the situation. Obviously 30 years later I know better for myself and for my kids.

Point is, if someone feels that they were legitimately wronged by a past employer/partner, etc, they're likely to not speak well of them.

I would be surprised if Patrik Laine doesn't feel "legitimately wronged" by the Montreal Canadiens at some point during his tour as a Hab.

They're in a 10 game honeymoon phase right now, the Habs are 6-4 and Laine is on a heater and good for them. But if you don't think a high pressure traditional Canadian market, mercurial offensive player and growing expectations will come to a three-way intersection at some point, I think you'd be a little bit optimistic.

And considering the tragedy that befell Columbus this offseason, maybe the mature play is to hold your tongue and say nothing at all. Good for CBJ pushing back.

 

[CarolinaBlueJacket]

Laine will not last in Montreal or anywhere unless he gets his head right.

 

[Voight]

I would be surprised if Patrik Laine doesn't feel "legitimately wronged" by the Montreal Canadiens at some point during his tour as a Hab.

They're in a 10 game honeymoon phase right now, the Habs are 6-4 and Laine is on a heater and good for them. But if you don't think a high pressure traditional Canadian market, mercurial offensive player and growing expectations will come to a three-way intersection at some point, I think you'd be a little bit optimistic.

And considering the tragedy that befell Columbus this offseason, maybe the mature play is to hold your tongue and say nothing at all. Good for CBJ pushing back.

It'll happen, he just blames his tea instead of owning up to his own issues or faults. First it was Winnipegs fault, now it's Columbus' fault, just wait until he blames the Habs.

 

[Dfence033]

The dude is allowed to have his opinions and state them , he even paid for them by getting targeted and eating a fat L

He sure is, and I wasn’t arguing otherwise. But calling fans of the team “trolls” for stating their opinions when one side literally pays for the other is very different than what you just said.

 

[614 CBJ]

Laine will not last in Montreal or anywhere unless he gets his head right.

I wonder how many front offices have already spoke and said

"No way in hell that guy will ever be signed here"

 

[Frank Drebin]

I would be surprised if Patrik Laine doesn't feel "legitimately wronged" by the Montreal Canadiens at some point during his tour as a Hab.

They're in a 10 game honeymoon phase right now, the Habs are 6-4 and Laine is on a heater and good for them. But if you don't think a high pressure traditional Canadian market, mercurial offensive player and growing expectations will come to a three-way intersection at some point, I think you'd be a little bit optimistic.

And considering the tragedy that befell Columbus this offseason, maybe the mature play is to hold your tongue and say nothing at all. Good for CBJ pushing back.

One hundred percent
I was just replying to the fella that was saying be thankful for everything. People don’t work like that

 

[Zirakzigil]

This thread turned into a dumpster fire real quick. We are done.