Post-Game Talk: Blue Jackets at Rangers 12/12/2013

[Baby Punisher]

Keep the coach, and trade LOTS of deadweight.

I agree with trading some dead weight, but trading dead weight usually entails bringing back another teams dead weight.

 

[Riverdale]

Does anybody even WANT our deadweight?

 

[noupf]

I agree with trading some dead weight, but trading dead weight usually entails bringing back another teams dead weight.

in all honesty, nobody wants our dead weight.......thats why sather signed them. Nobody wanted them to begin with.

 

[trilobyte]

Let's be honest here. When Renney was fired we were playing BORING hockey. Like falling asleep in my chair at MSG boring.Torts is hired, we open it up a bit with safe is death mantra, & we start getting hammered. Torts did not whine openly about not having the offensive players, no he adapted & made us a solid team that won, that was exciting that other teams feared. We all know how it turns out in the end with Torts. Now we have Av who I don't think can adapt. Av was blessed with some great offensive talent & good two way players, we don't have any of that.

The one guy I wish we never let go off was Anmsinov. He was the perfect 3rd line center who could play on the PP & PK & maybe we would be rid of Boyle. Having Boyle & Moore on the same team is redundant.

I do agree and I miss Ani. He was really quite reliable and surprised us with his skill while doing a great job defensively. I was fine with Dubinsky leaving, still am.

 

[NCRanger]

There was nothing wrong with the Rangers culture in 11-12. Even Sather had the right mindset, trying to build from within and develop a tight-knit team with chemistry on and off the ice, and supplement that group with a few key veterans. That mindset has been turned on its head in the past two years.

What happened was that Paul MacLean figured out how to beat the Rangers that year, and after the Rangers gutted out a playoff win against a vastly less talented team, they ran into a Capitals team that watched the tapes of the 7 game series against the Senators.

Then the Devils beat the Rangers with a fourth line.

Tortorella was exposed. The Rangers needed offense. They still need offense.

It may not have been Tortorella as we have seen this season, but it did appear as if the book had been written on how to beat the 2011-12 Black and Blueshirts and a change was needed in philosophy.

I don't think anyone anticipated this unmitigated disaster.

 

[mrhockey193195]

The only problem is that operating that way is not sustainable. I just did not see that level of commitment and focus as being repeatable. Human nature is what it is. A buffer has to be provided, you cannot just go balls to the wall year in year out the way that team went,

Fair point. I would have liked to at least see them try to sustain what they had until it didn't work before tearing it all down though.

 

[skymachine]

It's not so much about giving up Dubie and Anisimov in particular. It's about trading away 2 guys who loved being Rangers, a big part of the identity and culture, came up through the system....for a guy, yes way more skilled than either of them, who does not represent that identity. And when one of your highest paid skaters doesn't show the drive or passion that made the Rangers teams the years before (relatively) successful, it has an impact on the team. Nash does not have leadership ability, nor does he make his teammates better like the other elite talent of the league. He is an island, incredible ability which should put him in MVP discussions but year after year it never does. All of his teams have been mediocre.

I understand the arguments that he lead the team in goals last year, and he's the only reason they made the playoffs in 2013. But they had no problem making the playoffs in 2012 without him. And we can't forget that he was an absolute no show in the playoffs.

Losing heart and soul guys for a guy who plays like he doesn't give a ****, despite being able to score at will at times, has really hurt the NYR culture they had going. When its one of your big name players who makes a ton of money with this style, it really has got to have a negative influence on the locker room. Just my $0.02.

This team was tough to watch at times last year. This year way worse. I think Nash has helped the team become a bit complacent. AV hasn't helped.

 

[aufheben]

Curtis McElhinney's mask was pretty nice, so there's that.

Players I'm done with: Boyle, Hagelin, Stralman

Why Stralman?

Yakupov is hungry to play HIS way. And that involves zero interest in going to get the puck.

He'd be perfect here, actually.

Another player from a losing culture, would fit right in.

 

[NCRanger]

Yakupov is hungry to play HIS way. And that involves zero interest in going to get the puck.

He'd be perfect here, actually.

That's what I see and why I asked about what others see in him.

I see a typical selfish kid who'd be happier in the KHL.

 

[noupf]

It's not so much about giving up Dubie and Anisimov in particular. It's about trading away 2 guys who loved being Rangers, a big part of the identity and culture, came up through the system....for a guy, yes way more skilled than either of them, who does not represent that identity. And when one of your highest paid skaters doesn't show the drive or passion that made the Rangers teams the years before (relatively) successful, it has an impact on the team. Nash does not have leadership ability, nor does he make his teammates better like the other elite talent of the league. He is an island, incredible ability which should put him in MVP discussions but year after year it never does. All of his teams have been mediocre.

I understand the arguments that he lead the team in goals last year, and he's the only reason they made the playoffs in 2013. But they had no problem making the playoffs in 2012 without him. And we can't forget that he was an absolute no show in the playoffs.

Losing heart and soul guys for a guy who plays like he doesn't give a ****, despite being able to score at will at times, has really hurt the NYR culture they had going. When its one of your big name players who makes a ton of money, it really has got to have a negative influence on the locker room. Just my $0.02.

This team was tough to watch at times last year. This year way worse. I think Nash has helped the team become a bit complacent. AV hasn't helped.

BINGO.....finally somebody see's the big picture.

For the record, i never really like dubinsky, but he had heart, played hard a gave damn.....every night.... so did Arti and some of the others that Sather thought to be expendable. All together they played hard for EACH OTHER as Rangers. This roster doesnt play hard for each other......end of story.

 

[Ail]

Girardi, MZA, MDZ and Richards all played well. Those four seemed like they at least gave a crap.

Step and Hagelin need to get their s#$t together.

McD was uneven and Stralman was just awful tonight (both guys get a pass from me due to their seasons to date--and I was very skeptical of Strals coming in to this season. He's earned a little benefit of the doubt).

Kreider? J. Moore? Didn't even notice them on the ice.

Rick Nash. No fire. No heart. No @$%%^@^%$ shots on goal (and to put that in context--Girardi had 4 SoG. Boyle had 3. Richards had 9. Hell, even Del Zotto put a couple on goal. Our ridiculously expensive "goal scorer" couldn't even get a shot on goal in almost 23 minutes of ice time, including almost 3 minutes of PP, NO PK duty and a couple of extended 4 on 4's--which give him more ice to work with. I'm disgusted by his performance tonight).

Also thought Del Zotto had a good game. Agree on Nash as well, he's scored in some games where no one else has, but tonight was a disappointment,

 

[trilobyte]

I will be very open here. I did want a change. Six goalie system is not my vision of hockey. I grew up watching Rangers teams that skated. It's not like I did not enjoy the success of the 11-12 team, but I want the Rangers to build a team similar to what Stanley Cup winning teams build. I will gladly wait for it if somebody with a brain and integrity is in charge.

 

[noupf]

I will be very open here. I did want a change. Six goalie system is not my vision of hockey. I grew up watching Rangers teams that skated. It's not like I did not enjoy the success of the 11-12 team, but I want the Rangers to build a team similar to what Stanley Cup winning teams build. I will gladly wait for it if somebody with a brain and integrity is in charge.

yup !

 

[nevesis]

The Anisimov/Dubi trade you do every time to get Rick Nash. They were far from the reason for the Rangers success in 2011-12.

 

[KasparsHipCheck]

That's what I see and why I asked about what others see in him.

I see a typical selfish kid who'd be happier in the KHL.

He's as selfish as Nash, Sid, or Ovie. You kind of need that attitude from your top guns. With the right coaching he'll mature...look at Ovie this year.

 

[Ail]

Blah blah blah, I miss Dubi, I miss Arty, waaahhhh.

No use crying over spilled milk. This is where the team is at now. Get over it. Why do we continue to lament the past? It's done.

 

[noupf]

anybody else notice that the forwards, when deep, with the puck just push it up the boards or center it to open ice where there are no teamates? Its like they literally have no idea where their teamates are when they have the puck in the offensive zone

 

[Punxrocknyc19*]

Do they communicate on the ice??? Maybe that is one of the issues.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Blah blah blah, I miss Dubi, I miss Arty, waaahhhh.

No use crying over spilled milk. This is where the team is at now. Get over it. Why do we continue to lament the past? It's done.

Because those guys at least gave you the impression they were proud to wear the sweater

 

[I Eat Crow]

Painful, boring hockey to watch. Columbus did a masterful job of choking the life out of the game in the 3rd playing the 1-4.

Something needs to give

 

[smoneil]

Nash:

Dubinsky:

The former is unquestionably more talented, but the latter can actually help a team win.

It's the difference between being content to put up individual numbers and being unwilling to lose. It's the difference between being blinded by names/egos/skill in a vacuum and knowing how a winning team is constructed. It's the difference between pre-2005 lockout Rangers and post-lockout Rangers.

For six years, Sather stayed the course and that course was finally beginning to bear fruit. Then he got stupid and gave the idiotic majority of our fan base exactly what they wanted (ie- the worst thing possible for the team's success).

Congratulations to the 98 percent of you who roared about that trade. You got what you wanted. The team has more "skill." They just had to mortgage most of what made them successful to get it.

 

[NCRanger]

He's as selfish as Nash, Sid, or Ovie. You kind of need that attitude from your top guns. With the right coaching he'll mature...look at Ovie this year.

Let's just agree to disagree on him.

Coaching? AV isn't the guy to do it.

 

[KasparsHipCheck]

Young talent that comes up through an organization together seems to be critical--look at Chicago--they've grown up together. This is what needs to happen with the Rangers with a raw young hungry offensive player as a catalyst. This team is to much a mixed up mash up from other teams to have an idea of Rangers tradition and pride.

 

[Fataldogg]

Instead of putting us down 3-0 early at least Talbot gave us a chance in this one.

You didn't notice the chances / shots faced by each goaltender?

Lundqvist faced as many shots in the first 10 minutes that Talbot did in the last 50 minutes. It's not Lundqvist's fault the team plays noticeably worse in front of him.

The team came out like crap. And he couldn't do much different on the goals they scored. Unless you think the Rangers walk out of that first period tied 1-1 or up 1-0 with Talbot in net. And if you think that, I'd say we're not on the same page.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

Wow, that was brutal to watch. I am not sure AV is going to make it very long here.