Blue Bombers 2014 Thread (Game 5 - July 25 @ BC)

[BigZ65]

He was even with Hajrullahu, literally their kickoff average in terms of distance is nearly identical, with Hajrullahu pinning them tighter to the sidelines. Clearly Maher had the best leg of the 3 punting, but being an American and having difficulty placing kicks he didn't distinguish himself, other than giving himself the opportunity to make tackles by misdirecting and outkicking his coverage at times. If Hajrullahu struggled in camp and the pre-season games, Maher probably makes it just as a placekicker.

Still I think he'll be on the practice roster when it is named for week 1, if he wants to be.

 

[pucka lucka]

He was even with Hajrullahu, literally their kickoff average in terms of distance is nearly identical, with Hajrullahu pinning them tighter to the sidelines. Clearly Maher had the best leg of the 3 punting, but being an American and having difficulty placing kicks he didn't distinguish himself, other than giving himself the opportunity to make tackles by misdirecting and outkicking his coverage at times. If Hajrullahu struggled in camp and the pre-season games, Maher probably makes it just as a placekicker.

Still I think he'll be on the practice roster when it is named for week 1, if he wants to be.

Maher was definitely the better place kicker.

 

[Bob E]

Not digging the kicking combo.

Starting to have a 'slight improvement, but still no playoffs' feel to this season after 2 pre-season games for me. We're not deep in National players, so having 2 quality ones go down with season ending injuries, is really tough. Maybe we can grab a few cuts and improve the roster.

 

[Hollywood3]

I am not a Bomber fan. I am amused by the way Bomber fans treat every new coach/management like they are saviours. This year everybody they hired is doing a job at least one step above anything they have ever done. That should cause concern.

 

[Hank Chinaski]

I am not a Bomber fan. I am amused by the way Bomber fans treat every new coach/management like they are saviours. This year everybody they hired is doing a job at least one step above anything they have ever done. That should cause concern.

Doesn't that happen in pretty much all organizations in all walks of life?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Principle

 

[sully1410]

I am not a Bomber fan. I am amused by the way Bomber fans treat every new coach/management like they are saviours. This year everybody they hired is doing a job at least one step above anything they have ever done. That should cause concern.

Dilbert Theory

 

[Holden Caulfield]

I am not a Bomber fan. I am amused by the way Bomber fans treat every new coach/management like they are saviours. This year everybody they hired is doing a job at least one step above anything they have ever done. That should cause concern.

This literally DOES NOT happen. But ok.

And you are actually completely incorrect in the second part. Both Walters and O'Shea have surrounded themselves with veteran staffs that have all done it before.

 

[Duir]

Max Hall gone. Not surprising with the way Marve and Brohm played. 10 others cut as well.

http://www.tsn.ca/cfl/story/?id=455295

 

[meedle]

Max Hall gone. Not surprising with the way Marve and Brohm played. 10 others cut as well.

http://www.tsn.ca/cfl/story/?id=455295

That's good news and I am not surprised. I'm glad what I see and others see is what the coaches see.

 

[Holden Caulfield]

Jaymar Johnson and Mario Urrutia both looked real solid in pre-season. Surprising they kept Donovan Kemp over those two.

 

[King Woodballs]

Hall shouldn't have even been brought to camp.
Good riddance

 

[sipowicz]

Hall shouldn't have even been brought to camp.
Good riddance

Hall never had the arm for the CFL field, Mack thought otherwise.

 

[Blitzkrug]

I am not a Bomber fan. I am amused by the way Bomber fans treat every new coach/management like they are saviours. This year everybody they hired is doing a job at least one step above anything they have ever done. That should cause concern.

No one's treating Walters/O'Shea as saviors. We're just glad Joe Mack's ass is gone.

Now if only Suber could follow him out of town. Why people thought a 5'7 corner with zero physical presence was a good idea is beyond me.

 

[King Woodballs]

Hall never had the arm for the CFL field, Mack thought otherwise.

But he started what 3 games in the NFL!?!?!?

 

[Holden Caulfield]

But he started what 3 games in the NFL!?!?!?

6. You don't need nearly as strong an arm in the NFL due to smaller ball and field. In the CFL you better be able to zing it to the outside, otherwise every single wide side pass in a pick 6. It's why I laugh when people think Tebow would be good in CFL, not even CLOSE to a strong enough arm.

 

[pucka lucka]

6. You don't need nearly as strong an arm in the NFL due to smaller ball and field. In the CFL you better be able to zing it to the outside, otherwise every single wide side pass in a pick 6. It's why I laugh when people think Tebow would be good in CFL, not even CLOSE to a strong enough arm.

QB's need very strong arms in the NFL because they need to throw into much tighter coverages with less time. Max Hall started because of injuries on a bad team. CFL QB's do not have stronger arms.

 

[Holden Caulfield]

QB's need very strong arms in the NFL because they need to throw into much tighter coverages with less time. Max Hall started because of injuries on a bad team. CFL QB's do not have stronger arms.

Go ahead and quote the part where I said CFL QB's have stronger arms.

In the NFL you can get away with a weaker arm due to the length of throws being shorter. That's just a fact. Of course having a stronger arm is a huge, but it's not NECCESSARY like the CFL. That was my only point. A QB like Tebow does not have a strong enough arm (nor quick or strong enough for NFL either).

 

[pucka lucka]

6. You don't need nearly as strong an arm in the NFL due to smaller ball and field. In the CFL you better be able to zing it to the outside, otherwise every single wide side pass in a pick 6. It's why I laugh when people think Tebow would be good in CFL, not even CLOSE to a strong enough arm.

? am i missing something? You need a much stronger arm in the NFL.

 

[veganhunter]

Go ahead and quote the part where I said CFL QB's have stronger arms.

In the NFL you can get away with a weaker arm due to the length of throws being shorter. That's just a fact. Of course having a stronger arm is a huge, but it's not NECCESSARY like the CFL. That was my only point. A QB like Tebow does not have a strong enough arm (nor quick or strong enough for NFL either).

You can get away with a weaker arm in the NFL if your reads and release can be defined by the bold.

 

[tacogeoff]

QB's need very strong arms in the NFL because they need to throw into much tighter coverages with less time. Max Hall started because of injuries on a bad team. CFL QB's do not have stronger arms.

ya he sucked it up in the NFL. Third stringer whom got a few starts and ended up with a 35.7 qtbck rating and quickly dismissed. He also didnt play professional footbal for almost two years before Wpg signed him...which is weird. I wonder if they just went on reputation alone?!

 

[pucka lucka]

ya he sucked it up in the NFL. Third stringer whom got a few starts and ended up with a 35.7 qtbck rating and quickly dismissed. He also didnt play professional footbal for almost two years before Wpg signed him...which is weird. I wonder if they just went on reputation alone?!

He has the pedigree for being a decent CFL QB. I think he was coaching with someone with ties to the bombers.

 

[Holden Caulfield]

He has the pedigree for being a decent CFL QB. I think he was coaching with someone with ties to the bombers.

Not really. NFL rejects don't often work that well in CFL. Best QB's like Calvillo, Lulay, Tate, Durant, Mitchell, Glenn, Ray, Burris were not NFL rejects (both Ray and Burris went NFL AFTER CFL). Guys like Hall, Randle, Lemon, Akili Smith all complete busts.

Put it this way. In the NFL you can get away with a weaker arm due to smaller field and less long throws. You cannot get away with that in CFL. That in no way shape or form says CFL QB's have stronger arms. No one in CFL throws like a Donovan McNabb did obviously (outside Michael Bishop, but he was incredibly strong armed even in NFL lacked everything else), but while you can cover weaker arms in the NFL with west coast quick hit type offenses (guys like Smith in KC for example) that won't work in the CFL. So while obviously it's a good trait to have in NFL, it's not key like it is in CFL. They look more for accuracy, release speed and reads in NFL.

 

[King Woodballs]

6. You don't need nearly as strong an arm in the NFL due to smaller ball and field. In the CFL you better be able to zing it to the outside, otherwise every single wide side pass in a pick 6. It's why I laugh when people think Tebow would be good in CFL, not even CLOSE to a strong enough arm.

You need a pretty good arm to be a cfl qb. You are right about the ball and field.
Tebow would be a terrible cfl QB. Cooked spaghetti arm

 

[tacogeoff]

Not really. NFL rejects don't often work that well in CFL. Best QB's like Calvillo, Lulay, Tate, Durant, Mitchell, Glenn, Ray, Burris were not NFL rejects (both Ray and Burris went NFL AFTER CFL). Guys like Hall, Randle, Lemon, Akili Smith all complete busts.

Put it this way. In the NFL you can get away with a weaker arm due to smaller field and less long throws. You cannot get away with that in CFL. That in no way shape or form says CFL QB's have stronger arms. No one in CFL throws like a Donovan McNabb did obviously (outside Michael Bishop, but he was incredibly strong armed even in NFL lacked everything else), but while you can cover weaker arms in the NFL with west coast quick hit type offenses (guys like Smith in KC for example) that won't work in the CFL. So while obviously it's a good trait to have in NFL, it's not key like it is in CFL. They look more for accuracy, release speed and reads in NFL.

I have to disagree and say that NFL reject QBs are thriving right now in the CFL. I say they are rejects as they have been signed and never made the cut to play an actual NFL game, thus being rejected by the NFL. Exceptions of Calv, Burris and Glenn, just pure awesomeness. Just how I interpet the situation.

Drew Willy

Willy has also been a member of the Indianapolis Colts, Las Vegas Locomotives, New York Jets, San Diego Chargers, and Saskatchewan Roughriders

Mike Reilly

Reilly has also been a member of the BC Lions, Green Bay Packers, St. Louis Rams and Seattle Seahawks

D.Durant - Ravens

R. Ray - attended a training camp for the NFL's San Francisco 49ers, but did not make the team and only dressed for a single pre-season game.

T. Lulay - Seahawks, Saints and then Seahawks again.

I could look up some more but aint nobody got time for that.

You do need a good arm to be in the CFL, that is a given. But sometimes that arm is not connected to a stratigic mind which makes for some random throws and a waste of thus arm.

 

[Holden Caulfield]

I have to disagree and say that NFL reject QBs are thriving right now in the CFL. I say they are rejects as they have been signed and never made the cut to play an actual NFL game, thus being rejected by the NFL. Exceptions of Calv, Burris and Glenn, just pure awesomeness. Just how I interpet the situation.
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Ok should have clarified. NFL players that get established and built into NFL style game. For whatever reason it seems to work out less well than guys who only attend a camp or PR for a bit. Most of the guys, particularly QB's, that have decent NFL careers (the average NFL career is like just over 2 years I think and that's guys who actually make a roster haha) and start games (ie Hall, Lemon, A. Smith, etc) tend to bomb out in CFL for whatever reason. Your more likely to have success with younger guys who you develop up here who only attend an NFL camp or whatever.

Which is why I'm excited to see if the BB can develop their own QB in Marve for the first time since Danny McManus who they gave up on really young (Jones, Glenn, Willy all developed elsewhere in CFL before coming to WPG). Marve won the Mr. Football award as best player in HS in Florida during his senior year of HS breaking a bunch of Tebow's records. 4 stars recruit out of HS. Struggled mightily with injuries in his college career but finally got on track in his final year posting solid numbers at Purdue. Attended mini-camp with Bucs in 2013 never made team. Strong arm, seems to have good vision, good size, really excited to see if he can develop (obviously not this year, he'll need time).