zero sense for montreal to . it would cost north of 16 million to resign the both of them
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How do you interpret him signing for 800k more than his previous deal as no one wanted him?
EDIT: Even more so that his new deal was signed the day before free agency so teams couldn't counter offer.
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Teams don’t make trades with two players like that because of salary but you don’t get to imagine Nashville randomly taking older wingers w/ 3 years to go when the trades scream “rebuild”. A third team could be involved to provide futures for Toffoli, though his age is bit scary, but they would probably prefer Forsberg themselves.
You can pick one or you hand a pile of assets to Nashville and move salary someplace else. Nashville is simply better off getting more in separate trades, they can’t not get 1sts for each of them unless other elements make up for it. That’s how it usually goes.
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As if that's the problem here. Yes they would, for either Ekholm or Forsberg.
Too bad this proposal has the best assets out of NSH without really getting anything back.
I think if NSH does not manage to have them resigned until the TDL, one of two things happen : they are contending for a playoff spot and they keep them and try to sign themin the summer or they are not contending and each of them brings back a 1st + good prospect, maybe a bit more depending on how good they are during the regular season but I don t see them taking a mix of futures (1st Romanov) and players for now (Toffoli, Armia)
As far as value goes, let us try to divide the deal in two parts :
Forsberg -> 1st + Romanov seems fair if you consider Pacioretty and Stone or Duchene to CBJ deals as comparables. I know NSH fans will want more but I don t see the comps justifying that except the Hall deal maybe. Not saying NSH should or will trade him just that he should not get much more than that. Of course it also depends how you see Romanov s future.
Ekhlom -> Toffoli + Armia. Once again I think if NSH trades him it will be for futures. Right now Toffoli and Armia s value are close to their peak, Toffoli is arguably worth more than 2nd + Madden, and Armia is worth what on the trade market ? A 2nd, I d value him more but I tend to undervalue picks. If we see the combined value as a 1st + 2nd + Struble kind of prospect, that s in line with what Muzzin got and he was signed for one more year.
I think the structure of the deal does not make a lot of sense but I don t think the value overall is that bad.
Last point is that I don t see how MTL can afford them long term. Forsberg must have been so happy to see Hyman getting close to 6m and Ekholm is due for a raise.
As far as value goes, let us try to divide the deal in two parts :
Forsberg -> 1st + Romanov seems fair if you consider Pacioretty and Stone or Duchene to CBJ deals as comparables. I know NSH fans will want more but I don t see the comps justifying that except the Hall deal maybe. Not saying NSH should or will trade him just that he should not get much more than that. Of course it also depends how you see Romanov s future.
Ekhlom -> Toffoli + Armia. Once again I think if NSH trades him it will be for futures. Right now Toffoli and Armia s value are close to their peak, Toffoli is arguably worth more than 2nd + Madden, and Armia is worth what on the trade market ? A 2nd, I d value him more but I tend to undervalue picks. If we see the combined value as a 1st + 2nd + Struble kind of prospect, that s in line with what Muzzin got and he was signed for one more year.
I think the structure of the deal does not make a lot of sense but I don t think the value overall is that bad.
Last point is that I don t see how MTL can afford them long term. Forsberg must have been so happy to see Hyman getting close to 6m and Ekholm is due for a raise.
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Obviously... because he just had his best season.
I get that you guys never watch him play, but it seems a little overly brave to say things like that, therefore. Nobody is going to take you seriously when you do.
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Ya at 31 he's only got one direction to go right and that's upObviously... because he just had his best season.
Ya at 31 he's only got one direction to go right and that's up
There have been plenty of players, especially defensemen, whose prime extends to when they're in their mid-late 30s.
It's ok not to want to do the deal, but let's not make up stuff.
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Anyway, it all seems entirely moot, the Habs won't have a 2022 1st pick to even offer in a trade, other teams do, the Habs don't have any cap space, other teams do, the Habs don't even figure to be in a playoff race, other teams do. Even in the highly unlikely event that either of Ekholm or Forsberg get traded, the Habs are one of the absolute least likely destinations they would ever get traded to. So it's already an extreme fantasy thread to begin with, even before you start factoring in terrible offers and posters who have no clue who those players are.
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You'd think after what Jeff Petry has done the last couple seasons in his 30s, Habs fans would be at least a little bit openminded about a defender being still quite good at 31 years of age (I'm not comparing the two players)
just fact checking here but did montreal trade a pick recently. they have two and one goes to arizona . who's the one with no clue here ?
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Yeah good call. Petry's arguably been playing his best ever hockey on the 'wrong' side of 30.
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I was under the impression AZ gets the higher pick of the 2.. I might be misremembering tho
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think the point is, they can't trade it until the conditions of the trade are settled, IF I'm remembering it correctly
Arizona get the best pick of the two, unless one or both is top 10 in which case they get the worst.
Oh. I thought it was that they are getting Carolina’s pick no matter so it’s free to trade if they really wanted to. They also have their own. Zona gets the later one but can’t see why mtl couldn’t trade both.
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see the post above.. they (AZ) gets the better of the 2 unless it's top 10 (protected) then they get the other
since there's a condition on those 2 picks, I don't see how MTL could trade one of em
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I think we've established this is awful for Nashville. However, the optics are pretty bad for Montreal too. Toffoli just signed, expressed how much he loved the team, culture and proceeded to have one of the best seasons of his career. And his reward is to be shipped off to another team? That is a fantastic way to ensure UFAs never give Montreal a second thought. Which is bad considering we struggled to convince UFAs to sign here already.
Just... a poorly thought out proposal from every angle if I'm being honest.
Just... a poorly thought out proposal from every angle if I'm being honest.
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