Blackwood/Vanecek/We Really Need to Move On/Goalie Thread

[Devils090]

Way disagree on this.

He's the least of the problems with this team right now because he hasn't played in 1.5 months to be a problem.

He's not just as capable as any backup. Even if Schmid came back down to earth, I'm pretty confident he's no worse than Blackwood.

Blackwood is probably the second worst goalie in the league? The only one I'd put under him is Korpisalo? He's been bad for much longer and keeps getting brought back by the Jackets.

Martin Jones maybe is debatable?

That's it.

Don't even start throwing names like Gillies and call ups from the AHL out. Those guys aren't NHL regulars like Blackwood has been.

His AHL career was bad and that was years ago.

The outlier in his pro career was 18-19 and 19-20 in the NHL.

That's it, that's all he's got.

Lmfao relax, there are worse goalies in the Metro right now

 

[Bleedred]

i'm no fan of blackwood believe me i know the guy isn't good but i still think hes a capable backup against bad teams which is what they should ask of him. what backup would the devils go out there and acquire for the next few months just to walk away from them in the summer because they have schmid to take the job? think the team could rally around blackwood and maybe tighten up in the defensive zone.

I think we all have a pretty good idea that he's not just gonna be the backup and got just the bad teams. I think there's a greater chance he gets waived after some horrible starts than them letting him only be the backup.

If he only played as many games as Schmid did in his absence, it might not be something worth panicking over, but you know he's gonna probably play more than that.

We didn't have too many back to backs early on, so Schmid got a few starts in non-back to backs, but he was basically only starting once a week.

Though he did wind up starting 2 of the last 3 games that he was up for.

 

[Emperoreddy]

Pain

 

[Bleedred]

Lmfao relax, there are worse goalies in the Metro right now

No there really aren't. I think you might be overrating him by saying that. You're giving him way too much credit here.

Maybe Halak currently? And that's only because Halak is ancient and toast. I don't even think he's been as bad the last two years as Blackwood. Blackwood wishes he were as good as Halak was when he was 26. Blackwood wishes he was as good as Halak at like 34.

Korpisalo is in the Metro, so he's one and I already named him. Don't even tell me Elvis, who wasn't bad the last two years, but is having a miserable start to this year.

Lindgren is playing unsustainably well in Kuemper's absence and is only in the NHL because the Caps needed cap relief, especially with signing Kuemper. They kind of had to have an AHL goalie play. They did the same thing with Pheonix Copley a few years ago before Samsonov was in the NHL and they were paying Holtby so much, and even with Justin Peters a few years before that, before Grubauer made the NHL full time.

Carolina? They have old rickety goalies, but they have not been as bad as Blackwood's last two years. One of them was a Vezina contender last year. Kochetkov looks pretty good right now, but so did Blackwood after that many NHL games.

Don't even tell me anybody on the Islanders. Nobody on the Penguins.

Sandstrom from the Flyers? MAYBE. He's still pretty new to the NHL.

Halak and Sandstrom are maybe's, Korpisalo is the only definitely.

 

[JrFischer54]

I think we all have a pretty good idea that he's not just gonna be the backup and got just the bad teams. I think there's a greater chance he gets waived after some horrible starts than them letting him only be the backup.

If he only played as many games as Schmid did in his absence, it might not be something worth panicking over, but you know he's gonna probably play more than that.

We didn't have too many back to backs early on, so Schmid got a few starts in non-back to backs, but he was basically only starting once a week.

Though he did wind up starting 2 of the last 3 games that he was up for.

so the devils are going to bring him back knowing he can't be the true starter then they are going to push for him to be the starter and give him harder matchups only to then end up waiving him?

 

[Bleedred]

so the devils are going to bring him back knowing he can't be the true starter then they are going to push for him to be the starter and give him harder matchups only to then end up waiving him?

I don't think they're going to necessarily give him harder or easier matchups.

I would be surprised if they didn't give him 40% of the starts going forward. Potentially more if Vitek really hits a rough patch.

And if he can't perform, then they waive him. Hopefully....... But who knows? Maybe they don't waive him at all, even if he's horrific.

 

[Devils090]

No there really aren't. I think you might be overrating him by saying that. You're giving him way too much credit here.

Maybe Halak currently? And that's only because Halak is ancient and toast. I don't even think he's been as bad the last two years as Blackwood. Blackwood wishes he were as good as Halak was when he was 26. Blackwood wishes he was as good as Halak at like 34.

Korpisalo is in the Metro, so he's one and I already named him. Don't even tell me Elvis, who wasn't bad the last two years, but is having a miserable start to this year.

Lindgren is playing unsustainably well in Kuemper's absence and is only in the NHL because the Caps needed cap relief, especially with signing Kuemper. They kind of had to have an AHL goalie play. They did the same thing with Pheonix Copley a few years ago before Samsonov was in the NHL and they were paying Holtby so much, and even with Justin Peters a few years before that, before Grubauer made the NHL full time.

Carolina? They have old rickety goalies, but they have not been as bad as Blackwood's last two years. One of them was a Vezina contender last year. Kochetkov looks pretty good right now, but so did Blackwood after that many NHL games.

Don't even tell me anybody on the Islanders.

Sandstrom from the Flyers? MAYBE. He's still pretty new to the NHL.

Halak and Sandstrom are maybe's, Korpisalo is the only definitely.

Hate Mack all you want he’s not worse than Halak lol. And there are tons of goalies out West worse than him. You have a visceral hatred of him, it’s a little weird but whatever. Saying he’s a bottom 2 goalie in the entire NHL is downright hilarious.

 

[Nocashstyle]

i'm no fan of blackwood believe me i know the guy isn't good but i still think hes a capable backup against bad teams which is what they should ask of him. what backup would the devils go out there and acquire for the next few months just to walk away from them in the summer because they have schmid to take the job? think the team could rally around blackwood and maybe tighten up in the defensive zone.

1.) this is still way too generous to Blackwood
2.) if “well he still might look ‘okay’ against teams that suck” is management’s mindset, then we’re in a lot of trouble.

 

[JrFischer54]

I don't think they're going to necessarily give him harder or easier matchups.

I would be surprised if they didn't give him 40% of the starts going forward. Potentially more if Vitek really hits a rough patch.

And if he can't perform, then they waive him. Hopefully....... But who knows? Maybe they don't waive him at all, even if he's horrific.

but then whats your solution? if goaltending is so hard to find and come by what would be your ideal plan? pay through the nose for a backup to vv when we already have one waiting to take that job in the summer? or bring schmid up full time and then your a vv injury away from having schmid and whoever in the minors as your tandem going to the playoffs

 

[Bleedred]

Hate Mack all you want he’s not worse than Halak lol. And there are tons of goalies out West worse than him. You have a visceral hatred of him, it’s a little weird but whatever. Saying he’s a bottom 2 goalie in the entire NHL is downright hilarious.

But he kind of is a bottom-2 goalie in the NHL.

To say he's not is kind of hilarious.

If you're gonna say he's not a bottom-2 goalie in the NHL then you're counting all these guys that are still pretty new to the league (Sandstrom being one of them) or guys that get call ups that aren't full time NHL goalies. Maybe Ingram from Arizona? He's still kind of new.

Do I need to post the list of guys worse than him since February 20th of 2021? Out of a minimum of 15 games played, only Korpisalo had been worse in that time. Everybody else on that list were just call up guys or guys who have since retired, like Ryan Miller and Curtis McElhinney.

Now that we've gotten further into this season, some other guys might have made it onto that list by now and are below him, like Ingram, Sandstrom, etc.

Yes, I HATE this player. At least as a player. It's not weird, I actually find it weird to find his play acceptable or to actually be a fan of this player, when he plays the most important position in the game and he's more than just particularly bad at playing that position.

I find it much weirder to hate on guys like McLeod, Brendan Smith. I'm not saying I like these players, but they won't cost you as many points as a bad goalie.

 

[Jack Be Quick]

f***. off.

Wtf is this shit?

 

[JrFischer54]

Wtf is this shit?

did seriously everyone forget when clemmenson got sent down in this exact same situation when broduer came back when he was clearly better then weekes

 

[NJDevs26]

Freakin’ gross.

The Devils with Blackwood = the Jets with Zach Wilson

 

[Bleedred]

but then whats your solution? if goaltending is so hard to find and come by what would be your ideal plan? pay through the nose for a backup to vv when we already have one waiting to take that job in the summer? or bring schmid up full time and then your a vv injury away from having schmid and whoever in the minors as your tandem going to the playoffs

My solution is Schmid. Even if he regresses (he will) he's no worse than Blackwood in my mind.

What happens if someone gets injured? I'll tell you what, I don't think Daws is any worse than Blackwood either.

I ain't saying he's good, I ain't even saying Schmid is definitely good. I'm just saying Blackwood is bad. It doesn't take goalies being that good to be better than him.

The guy's pro hockey career is just full of suck. His first 70-whatever games in the NHL really look like the outlier when they're sandwiched in between over 90-something games of lower .890's%.

 

[Devils090]

But he kind of is a bottom-2 goalie in the NHL.

To say he's not is kind of hilarious.

If you're gonna say he's not a bottom-2 goalie in the NHL then you're counting all these guys that are still pretty new to the league (Sandstrom being one of them) or guys that get call ups that aren't full time NHL goalies. Maybe Ingram from Arizona? He's still kind of new.

Do I need to post the list of guys worse than him since February 20th of 2021? Out of a minimum of 15 games played, only Korpisalo had been worse in that time. Everybody else on that list were just call up guys or guys who have since retired, like Ryan Miller and Curtis McElhinney.

Now that we've gotten further into this season, some other guys might have made it onto that list by now and are below him, like Ingram, Sandstrom, etc.

Yes, I HATE this player. At least as a player. It's not weird, I actually find it weird to find his play acceptable or to actually be a fan of this player, when he plays the most important position in the game and he's more than just particularly bad at playing that position.

I find it much weirder to hate on guys like McLeod, Brendan Smith. I'm not saying I like these players, but they won't cost you as many points as a bad goalie.

So you’d really rather have guys Iike Mrazek, Petersen, Ned, Kahkonnen, Halak, Campbell, Jones, Stolarz?

I don’t even like Blackwood but he’s better than all of them

 

[NJDevs26]

So we got a damaged goods Hammond last year? Apparently he hurt his ankle with the Habs and is citing that for the reason he retired, figures.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

Blackwood will have a couple decent games, a great game or two, a couple stinkers, and he’ll break again. Not happy to have him back and it will cost us a few points, but he’ll be gone soon.

 

[JrFischer54]

My solution is Schmid. Even if he regresses (he will) he's no worse than Blackwood in my mind.

What happens if someone gets injured? I'll tell you what, I don't think Daws is any worse than Blackwood either.

I ain't saying he's good, I ain't even saying Schmid is definitely good. I'm just saying Blackwood is bad. It doesn't take goalies being that good to be better than him.

The guy's pro hockey career is just full of suck. His first 70-whatever games in the NHL really look like the outlier when they're sandwiched in between over 90-something games of lower .890's%.

well thats one way to think about it. to me a playoff team doesn't get rid of even a below average goalie with nhl experience for someone with 10 games on his resume who also was looking a little meh towards the end.

 

[Jack Be Quick]

did seriously everyone forget when clemmenson got sent down in this exact same situation when broduer came back when he was clearly better then weekes

That was 14 years, 4 core rosters, 3 gm's, and 5 coaches ago.

Not to mention Blackwood is hot garbage while Schmid looks like he has all the potential to be the future in net.

 

[Nocashstyle]

Hate Mack all you want he’s not worse than Halak lol. And there are tons of goalies out West worse than him. You have a visceral hatred of him, it’s a little weird but whatever. Saying he’s a bottom 2 goalie in the entire NHL is downright hilarious.

Over the past 3 seasons, Blackwood has played 67 games and sporting a .897 save %.

No there really aren’t.

 

[JrFischer54]

i think the team would absolutely be crazy to make his first start at home

That was 14 years, 4 core rosters, 3 gm's, and 5 coaches ago.

Not to mention Blackwood is hot garbage while Schmid looks like he has all the potential to be the future in net.

yes but thats how the league still operates

 

[Bleedred]

did seriously everyone forget when clemmenson got sent down in this exact same situation when broduer came back when he was clearly better then weekes

You know what?

Like I said the last time this was brought up, I was upset by this decision at the time too.

But that was only because I actually thought Marty wouldn't start all but 2 of the remaining 21 games that season after he came back from injury. I was naive enough to actually believe that they would take it easy on Marty through the remainder of that regular season and they certainly did not.

Weekes started two games the rest of that season after Marty came back. First game was right after Marty broke the all time wins record, which was literally 3.5 weeks after Marty came back. And then he got one more start after that, which was another 2.5 weeks later and the fifth to last game of the season. He wound up getting injured in that game and that was the last he ever played again in his career, and Marty would have to come in and finish that game and then Marty started the last 4 games of that season. And Weekes also played not even a full period of relief one other game after Marty came back.

So in the end, it really didn't matter, as Clemmensen would have started a whopping 2 more games in the NHL that year if he weren't sent back.

Over the past 3 seasons, Blackwood has played 67 games and sporting a .897 save %.

No there really aren’t.

The first 5 games of that season literally raise his save percentage 5 points in that time. It's really .892% in his last 62 games played.

And while his first 5 games of that season were really good, they were also identical to Schmid's first however many games he played before Florida the other night.

 

[glenwo2]

Freakin’ gross.

Ruff : *smooch* *smooch* ( )( ) <=== Blackwood's butt.

 

[glenwo2]

Pain

Utica gonna go on a long win streak now.

 

[jkrdevil]

I’m not sure why the organization is still so invested in him. Everyone involved with drafting and developing him has been fired.