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Blackwood has a decent outing and the board is silent.
Because it’s one f***ing game.

He’s back because he had one good game? So we need to eat some of that toxic, rancid crow? Jesus Christ, it actually two good games in a row in the NHL this year before someone was trying to force feed me some crow.

He had a good game in the NHL this year.

What did you think, he was gonna be an .818% long term? Like he was in his first game?

Come on now. This is why I don’t take any of you people seriously. You expect one f***ing game to mean anything after 62 consecutive games, which had games like this and even better sprinkled in there, he’s even had 3 shutouts in those 62 games.

So forgive me for not bowing down to a bad goalie having a good game.

Worse goalies than him have had better games than this.

Worse goalies than him have had good streaks of play.

Bad goalies have good games. Bad goalies have good streaks. It goes the other way too. Good goalies have bad games, good goalies have bad streaks.

Usually they have just enough bad games/bad streaks to go along with their good games/streaks to keep their numbers in the terlet.
 
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I've heard this BS (@Smitty426) for decades from NHL franchise fans who really DON'T GIVE a SH+T about their farm team. They don't give the farm town fans one iota of credit at being very intelligent hockey fans period. Sure, the Utica fans would like the best possible players from the parent club, but the bulk of them know the facts and the parent should have the best possible talent from their entire pool. If that's Schmid so be it. However, if Blackwood comes back ready to play, Schmid should be returned. He's available to return any time at a moment's notice. Carrying 3 active goalies on an NHL roster when the farm is just up the NYS Thruway is ridiculous.

When the Utica fans evaluate players it's based upon performance and the nuances of a player's performance. It's based on each individual fan's hockey IQ and many of us here have very high scores. Many have played the game at various levels from kid to high school, NCAA/Jrs., professional minor leagues right up to the AHL, and finally the NHL.
Then there is the number who never really played the game at any advanced level, but have been students of the game for a long time. It's not like those people don't know how to evaluate a player's performance both short and long term. (e.g Scotty Bowman never played the game beyond Juniors). Finally, you have the blowhards who really don't know the game, but think they do and pontificate as if their opinion is the only one that everyone needs to listen too. It's exactly like your fan base of whom also the majority never really played at an advanced level.

So, when you read my thoughts on the prospects I am coming to you with the best thoughts, evaluations, opinions, and reasoning that I can amass from watching these guys with an open mind and serious thoughts on their NHL potentials.

So when I say Foote ,Thompson, and Clarke, who must be were supposed to be the big gun prospects and leaders of this team, especially with the lack of support provided by NJ to support their efforts after losing Deleo, Greer, Zetterlund, and Holtz and to this point they have been far from it. It is not because I want to keep them here away from the Devils. That is the farthest thought from my mind.

In the simplest terms right now, they have failed that mission completely. Each game goes by and you see the same inabilities on display. They cannot maneuver around anyone one on one. It is always a takeaway or they get rubbed off the puck.
Foote continually tries to force himself down the boards with the puck and almost to the exact number of times he ends up either on the ice and the puck is turned over or he is stripped and the puck is sent back up the boards behind him by the opponent. His shots are usually high and wide, over the net, or directly into the keeper. There has been no snipe talent revealed.
Thompson skates like a demon and accomplishes nothing. He tries to cut in front of the D-man into the middle and towards the net for a shot. He never makes it. That ends up causing him to start trying to go wide and get a shot cutting to the bottom of the circle or lower, but ends up on the end boards or behind the net where he ends up in a puck battle of which neither he nor Foote have had much success winning.

Tyce is the left half boards player with a right shot setting up and begging for the onetimer that Holtz and Zetterlund were so successful at last season. Most of the time when he gets it off, it misses the net. When he gets it on net, it always seems to be into the keepers midsection or cherry picked with his glove. He wants that puck for the shot so bad you can see him begging for the chance and then sags with dissatisfaction when he fails time after time. 4 goals in 18 GP and the 4th was an empty netter vs the Amerks last Friday. His last goal vs competition was on 11/18 in game 11. Last night was game #22 for the Comets.

Just as an example of how low this output is Samuel Laberge also has 4 goals in 14 GP (2 last night as the game's #2 Star) while skating on the 4th line.

Sam is 25. He played 2017-18 in the AHL after signing with the Texas Stars. He put up 15pts/66GP. In 2018-19 he only got 31 games and recorded 7Pts. He wasn't re-signed.
2019-20 he played 33 games in the LNAH.
2020-21 50 GP with the ECHL Allen Americans.

In 2021-22 he signed a PTO with the Comets and was assigned to ECHL Adirondack. He was soon in Utica and proved to be a dogged forechecker and a force in his own end with his physical defensive play. The Comets were so impressed they told him to find a place to live in Utica and signed him to an AHL contract. He easily got another this season and is, aside from Gambardella, the hardest working forward every shift he's on the ice. Neither ever takes a shift off. The difference in the skill levels of Sam vs Foote or Tyce is obvious, but his work gets him as many shots and earns him a regular shift. He is a regular on the PK (1 of those 2 goals last night was a shortie). Thompson and Foote have been on the PK a lot as well. Thompson is mostly a puck chaser while Foote has become willing to block shots and has taken a few that left him limping around. I shouldn't be able to compare these 2 with Laberge, but they are leaving me little choice.

Clarke has turned up his game with 3 of his 5 goals coming in the last 6 games. His all around effort was also noticeable. Apparently I wasn't the only one to see it as last night he replaced Thompson at RW on the 1st line. That's Clarkes's (5G) and kicked up effort added to Pinho's (8G) and Foote's (6G). Tyce, meanwhile, was the RW for Nolan Stevens (5G) with Jack Dugan (3G) on his opposite wing. Not what I believe he was expecting when he was sent down here in October.

22 games into the season and the top forward prospects in Utica have combined for 15 goals and all 3 play on the PP. That PP is #29 in the AHL for goals scored with 14 and #15 in PP% at 20.4 since their efforts don't draw many penalties. They have had the lowest number of PP opportunities in the AHL at 68. You have to be running on all cylinders to cause your opponent to have to commit fouls to stop you.
Thanks so much for the detailed summary. I’ve been hoping you would give us one.
 

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Because it’s one f***ing game.

He’s back because he had one good game? So we need to eat some of that toxic, rancid crow? Jesus Christ, it actually two good games in a row in the NHL this year before someone was trying to force feed me some crow.

He had a good game in the NHL this year.

What did you think, he was gonna be an .818% long term? Like he was in his first game?

Come on now. This is why I don’t take any of you people seriously. You expect one f***ing game to mean anything after 62 consecutive games, which had games like this and even better sprinkled in there, he’s even had 3 shutouts in those 62 games.

So forgive me for not bowing down to a bad goalie having a good game.

Worse goalies than him have had better games than this.

Worse goalies than him have had good streaks of play.

Bad goalies have good games. Bad goalies have good streaks. It goes the other way too. Good goalies have bad games, good goalies have bad streaks.

Usually they have just enough bad games/bad streaks to go along with their good games/streaks to keep their numbers in the terlet.
Did I say he was back? I didn’t even say he had a good outing…
 

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Did I say he was back? I didn’t even say he had a good outing…
Well you commented the board is silent.

I think it’s premature to applaud a goalie for having a good game. It won’t be the last time he has a good game.

Nobody is consistent to the point where they are always good or always bad. Vezina winning goalies have literally had a calendar month of .890% in the years they won the Vezina.

Which brings me full circle to Cory Schneider, who was his opponent tonight by the way.

People were declaring him to be back, because he had a 20 game streak of .920% and several games at the world championships that year around that also. That came after his 9 games to start that season of .851%. The bigger picture was that he had been a 905% (or something like that) over his last 120 games in the league and he was 33 years old. And guess what? That .920% stretch did enough to bring him up too .903% on the season, which was exactly what he was by that point. And a lot of people were suckered (including Ray Shero) and bought this stretch and I was the guy who was wrong.

So what does he do next year? He has an identical first 9 games of that year of .852% (he was waived in between those 9 games and called back up again) but he had a strong last 4 games that season and it brought him up to .887% on the year.

Its the same shit.
 

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I turned on Blackwood last year when I attended the game against Arizona and witnessed first hand his “I don’t even want to be here” body language and then subsequently shitting the bed. The team played well that game but we’re getting stoned and this guy just gave up the absolute worst stinker goals in short order, and the game was pretty much over at that point. But what really got me was that body language. I’ve never seen an NHL player look like they didn’t even want to be in the arena. It was gross and I’m pretty sure I even live posted about it. That combined with the horrid performances and the stupid vax shit previously was enough for me to lose all interest in keeping the guy around. I sincerely hope he doesn’t make it back to the big club.

What’s really funny though is I posted almost these exact thoughts after the game, and I remember tons of posters shitting on me for giving up on him, citing his injuries as a valid excuse for stinking and having a crappy attitude. Mind you this was before he came out of the lineup long term. Guess most people finally came around to what I was saying. Go figure.
The Arizona game in mid January last season was absolutely horrific and Blackwood gave up 4 GA on 17 shots.

The team also shut him down also shut MBW down right after that game for ~3 months.

He was playing with more than one injury and the “pain management” for the heel injury included Blackwood not practicing on his off-days so he didn’t have to suffer the pain his skate boot caused him.

Try to imagine a NHL goalie playing with that much pain and not having his mental and technical game go to shit. The team didn’t do him any favors by playing him with an injury out of sheer desperation until it was painfully clear he was incapable of playing the position.

Blackwood might not bounce back now, and he’s kind of an idiot, but he played with a lot of pain last year. You can’t say he didn’t care or didn’t try to gut it out for the team.
 

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Well you commented the board is silent.

I think it’s premature to applaud a goalie for having a good game. It won’t be the last time he has a good game.

Nobody is consistent to the point where they are always good or always bad. Vezina winning goalies have literally had a calendar month of .890% in the years they won the Vezina.

Which brings me full circle to Cory Schneider, who was his opponent tonight by the way.

People were declaring him to be back, because he had a 20 game streak of .920% and several games at the world championships that year around that also. That came after his 9 games to start that season of .851%. The bigger picture was that he had been a 905% (or something like that) over his last 120 games in the league and he was 33 years old. And guess what? That .920% stretch did enough to bring him up too .903% on the season, which was exactly what he was by that point. And a lot of people were suckered (including Ray Shero) and bought this stretch and I was the guy who was wrong.

So what does he do next year? He has Ak identical first 9 games of that year of .852% (he was waived in between those 9 games and called back up again) but he had a strong last 4 games that season and it brought him up to .887% on the year.

Its the same shit.
Yes, I commented that the board was silent because it seems to me that there’s certainly a portion of the board that would rather see Blackwood struggle than do well.

There was a ton of excitement when Blackwood sucked in his first rehab start, but after a decent enough outing…crickets.

I’m not proclaiming anything from this. I know the reality is that Blackwood probably doesn’t really have a future with this organization. But I’m still rooting for the guy regardless. Maybe that’s a flaw of mine, but I’m reluctant to give up on players with this team that easily. I’m glad he had a good game tonight and hope he can build on it.
 
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Because it’s one f***ing game.

He’s back because he had one good game? So we need to eat some of that toxic, rancid crow? Jesus Christ, it actually two good games in a row in the NHL this year before someone was trying to force feed me some crow.

He had a good game in the NHL this year.

What did you think, he was gonna be an .818% long term? Like he was in his first game?

Come on now. This is why I don’t take any of you people seriously. You expect one f***ing game to mean anything after 62 consecutive games, which had games like this and even better sprinkled in there, he’s even had 3 shutouts in those 62 games.

So forgive me for not bowing down to a bad goalie having a good game.

Worse goalies than him have had better games than this.

Worse goalies than him have had good streaks of play.

Bad goalies have good games. Bad goalies have good streaks. It goes the other way too. Good goalies have bad games, good goalies have bad streaks.

Usually they have just enough bad games/bad streaks to go along with their good games/streaks to keep their numbers in the terlet.
 

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All I know is we really need to win tomorrow because Schmid is most likely back in Utica next week
I still think they might have him finish the week out with the AHL team.

I doubt he’s playing tonight though, but they may give him a game or two in Cleveland.
 

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I still think they might have him finish the week out with the AHL team.

I doubt he’s playing tonight though, but they may give him a game or two in Cleveland.
Well, you were right. All it took was MacBlack getting healthy and he’s back!! I can’t wait to have those naysayers eat crow like you said they would!!! One game is all he needed to prove he’s ready going forward.
 

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Imagine having your brand new car repossessed to go back to driving that POS 1996 Ford Taurus that’s been breaking down left and right the last two years.

Imagine having to take it on a road trip too.
 
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Imagine having your brand new car repossessed to go back to driving that POS 1996 Ford Taurus that’s been breaking down left and right the last two years.

Imagine having to take it on a road trip too.
Or having to drive a Honda Accord while your Lambo is in the shop and then the mechanic calls that it is ready for pickup and he even took the liberty of installing a supercharger and he drove it around the block once proving that it is ready to go!!!
 
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I'm sure takes in here the rest of the day will be sensible. :laugh:
 

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Apparently they haven’t sent Schmid back yet, as per Novozinsky.

It doesn’t mean they won’t later today though. If he’s actually one of the goalies practicing today that may be a good sign that he’s staying for now.
 
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