Value of: Blackwood to EDM

[ManofSteel55]

Oilers don't need goaltending. They need defense.

Well you're half right. We need defense. But let's not pretend that Skinner-Pickard is even an average goaltending duo.

If you want him now I’m asking for a second. Don’t want to rush Askarov into the NHL. If you want him at the TDL I’d probably drop the ask to a third.

There's no world where Blackwood is worth a 2nd. Askarov won't be content in the AHL for long. Look at what he pulled in Nashville. He wasn't going to be happy as 3rd string there, you think he's happy riding the bus for the Sharks when he's probably the best goalie they have today? No way. Given Blackwoods history, the Sharks will be lucky to get anything for him, so the offers here (mid round pick and salary) are pretty fair, in my opinion.

 

[Fixed to Ruin]

Well you're half right. We need defense. But let's not pretend that Skinner-Pickard is even an average goaltending duo.

Skinner went to game 7 if the Stanley Cup finals

He's been around .910 and 2.75 GAA for his NHL career so far. That's the regular season and playoffs.

Sorry to burst your Skinner hating bubble but he's the definition of average. However, nothing points to him being below that. He's a top 20 NHL starting goalie. He's not elite but he's not incapable either.

He was drafted the same year as Swayman and Ukko Pekka Luukkonen and has has a similar stat line and has more playoff wins.

 

[MasterofGrond]

Thought they wanted to improve their goaltending

 

[ManofSteel55]

Skinner went to game 7 if the Stanley Cup finals

He's been around .910 and 2.75 GAA for his NHL career so far. That's the regular season and playoffs.

Sorry to burst your Skinner hating bubble but he's the definition of average. However, nothing points to him being below that. He's a top 20 NHL starting goalie. He's not elite but he's not incapable either.

He was drafted the same year as Swayman and Ukko Pekka Luukkonen and has has a similar stat line and has more playoff wins.

I don't hate Skinner. I like Skinner a lot. But he is a below average starting goalie in the NHL. The Oilers made the finals in spite of Skinner, not because of him. He is too inconsistent to be a "heavy workload" starter, and while Pickard has played above my expectations for him since he was first called up, I think we need someone better to back up Skinner for his dry periods. His numbers look average, but he played on an elite team last year - a good goalie would have above average numbers in his scenario.

Let's not make silly comparisons, like Jeremy Swayman. Swayman is poised to become an elite goalie by the looks of it. Skinner is about to become very average, but wanting an elite payday due to team success.

 

[QuizGuy66]

As a Devils fan I can assure you Blackwood ain't the answer for Edmonton. As mentioned upthread he has value to the Sharks the way an innings-eater reliever has to a baseball team and as such it isn't really worth it to move him barring an unwarranted overpay. Same really applies to Vanacek - though with Vanacek there is the downside that when he loses confidence he is absolutely shambolic.

Colorado probably keeps a dialogue and ultimately it ends up not worth it at this point in the season - maybe later as stated above

 

[Fixed to Ruin]

I don't hate Skinner. I like Skinner a lot. But he is a below average starting goalie in the NHL. The Oilers made the finals in spite of Skinner, not because of him. He is too inconsistent to be a "heavy workload" starter, and while Pickard has played above my expectations for him since he was first called up, I think we need someone better to back up Skinner for his dry periods. His numbers look average, but he played on an elite team last year - a good goalie would have above average numbers in his scenario.

Let's not make silly comparisons, like Jeremy Swayman. Swayman is poised to become an elite goalie by the looks of it. Skinner is about to become very average, but wanting an elite payday due to team success.

All the goaltenders highlighted below were from the 2017 draft class. The numbers don't support any of your arguments. Skinner is trending towards being a capable NHL starting goaltender. Every goalie has good and bad stretches but apparently Skinner is "about to become very average" because he had a few bad starts at 24 and 25 years old.

 

[67 others]

He had shitty SV% on a good team, too. At some point you have to stop making excuses for him.

He also had a good 22-14-8 year with a 91.5% before his injury. Injury prone has been a problem with him since if anything

 

[Canovin]

Blackwood does not for the Oilers. He's from the same mold as Skinner. Going to fold under pressure.

 

[HugeInTheShire]

Edmonton doesn't defend well enough for Blackwood to be effective.

 

[ManofSteel55]

All the goaltenders highlighted below were from the 2017 draft class. The numbers don't support any of your arguments. Skinner is trending towards being a capable NHL starting goaltender. Every goalie has good and bad stretches but apparently Skinner is "about to become very average" because he had a few bad starts at 24 and 25 years old.

I think you are in the extreme minority if you think Skinner is an average goalie right now. Yes, he may get there, but on the list you highlighted, he is at best third, and possibly fourth. He has too many skill deficiencies that he isn't showing improvement on - especially his lateral movement and glove hand. You can throw out any numbers you like, but let's not forget that goalie numbers are mostly team-based. They look better when on a good team. Skinner's numbers are entirely pedestrian, despite being on a team with very good defensive metrics last year. I hope he gets better, but right now, he's not where I want him to be, given we are supposed to be a contender. He needs a backup we can play more, so its closer to a 50-50 split. Is Blackwood that guy? Is he any better than Pickard in that role? Maybe not, so maybe he isn't the answer either.

 

[Gecklund]

Well you're half right. We need defense. But let's not pretend that Skinner-Pickard is even an average goaltending duo.


There's no world where Blackwood is worth a 2nd. Askarov won't be content in the AHL for long. Look at what he pulled in Nashville. He wasn't going to be happy as 3rd string there, you think he's happy riding the bus for the Sharks when he's probably the best goalie they have today? No way. Given Blackwoods history, the Sharks will be lucky to get anything for him, so the offers here (mid round pick and salary) are pretty fair, in my opinion.

Yeah he is worth a 3rd you’re right.

Askarov wasn’t happy because the starter was signed to a 7 year contract. He’s fine being in the AHL if there’s a path. But no you go off. Pretend you know more than Askarov himself, his agent, all the insiders, Grier. Your opinion is worth absolute 0 here.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Yeah he is worth a 3rd you’re right.

Askarov wasn’t happy because the starter was signed to a 7 year contract. He’s fine being in the AHL if there’s a path. But no you go off. Pretend you know more than Askarov himself, his agent, all the insiders, Grier. Your opinion is worth absolute 0 here.

News flash, none of our opinions are worth anything here. But go ahead and keep acting tough online, I'm sure it will do wonders for you.

 

[Gecklund]

News flash, none of our opinions are worth anything here. But go ahead and keep acting tough online, I'm sure it will do wonders for you.

Ah classic. Refuse to acknowledge any of my actual points cause you know you’re wrong.

 

[GrumpyKoala]

Every goalie has good and bad stretches but apparently Skinner is "about to become very average" because he had a few bad starts at 24 and 25 years old.

It's not a bad stretch, He regressing every seasons.

 

[VeteranPresence]

The Oilers could definitely use Blackwood's services, but SJ is going to need to pay for teams to broker cap no matter what given all their retention slots are gone. But, Edmonton also needs an upgrade on D and Mario Ferraro might be a great partner for Evan Bouchard as he continues to mature and needs Ekholm less and less as his safety blanket 24/7.

Ferraro + Blackwood would go a long way to stabilizing the Oil, but if SJ wants to hold out until the deadline, that may not be realistic since we need the help right this minute.

 

[Bizz]

Local media and fans have suggested for some time the Oilers so something about their goaltending which has been uneven for a couple of years now.

What would it cost for Edmonton to acquire MacKenzie Blackwood? Retention would also be handy to facilitate the trade.



MacKenzie Blackwood (G, $2.35 M AAV X 1 year) possibly with retention?



??? What would be fair for San Jose? Interested in hearing what fans think is reasonable.

If your reply includes "massive overpayment" you're probably in the wrong thread and talking about the wrong player.

Sharks' biggest need are RHD Prospects. Picks would work otherwise.

Edmonton fans have been asking about Kostin lately too so I think Blackwood and Kostin for a 2nd (or a RHD Prospect) and a 7th should be enough. You should have plenty of cap space by putting EKane on LTIR.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

There's no world where Blackwood is worth a 2nd. Askarov won't be content in the AHL for long. Look at what he pulled in Nashville. He wasn't going to be happy as 3rd string there, you think he's happy riding the bus for the Sharks when he's probably the best goalie they have today? No way. Given Blackwoods history, the Sharks will be lucky to get anything for him, so the offers here (mid round pick and salary) are pretty fair, in my opinion.

There isn't a world where Blackwood is worth a 2nd but that's a reasonable ask for the Sharks when they don't feel ready to call him up. The stuff in Nashville was because both goalies ahead of him were signed to term. He's plenty happy riding the bus for now when we've already committed an extra two years at 2 mil for him to put up with it for this year only at the most. You may be offering fair deals but that doesn't mean we're in any hurry to move him. I don't think management wants to allow Askarov to get shelled on a nightly basis playing on the Sharks for now. They're making strides in improving that but I think the team wants to wait a little closer to the new year before making that move.

 

[smytty]

I don't hate Skinner. I like Skinner a lot. But he is a below average starting goalie in the NHL. The Oilers made the finals in spite of Skinner, not because of him. He is too inconsistent to be a "heavy workload" starter, and while Pickard has played above my expectations for him since he was first called up, I think we need someone better to back up Skinner for his dry periods. His numbers look average, but he played on an elite team last year - a good goalie would have above average numbers in his scenario.

Let's not make silly comparisons, like Jeremy Swayman. Swayman is poised to become an elite goalie by the looks of it. Skinner is about to become very average, but wanting an elite payday due to team success.

I've never seen a discussion over his next contract, where did you get that info?

 

[Fixed to Ruin]

It's not a bad stretch, He regressing every seasons.

He's played 2 full seasons as a starter.

He played in game 7 of the finals a few months ago.

I fail to see where this regression lies.

 

[NeverForget06]

I've never seen a discussion over his next contract, where did you get that info?

Swayman, Oettinger and Skinner are all from the same draft class. Many an Oiler fan is terrified that Skinner will want a similar contract. He did outduel Oettinger in WCF last year - though that was the only round where it didn't look like he might sink the team of his own accord

 

[smytty]

Swayman, Oettinger and Skinner are all from the same draft class. Many an Oiler fan is terrified that Skinner will want a similar contract. He did outduel Oettinger in WCF last year - though that was the only round where it didn't look like he might sink the team of his own accord

Being in the same draft class has zero impact on his next contract, I'm wondering where you got the idea that Skinner will ask for something similar. Is it only fan speculation or is there proof somewhere?

 

[Fixed to Ruin]

Being in the same draft class has zero impact on his next contract, I'm wondering where you got the idea that Skinner will ask for something similar. Is it only fan speculation or is there proof somewhere?

It does because they are the same age and using the same comparables. Skinner has a strong case to get paid an uncomfortable amount of money for a goaltender.

For example, Swayman got signed and 5 minutes later Oettinger signed basically the exact same contract.

 

[matt trick]

Agree with Sharks fans who say you can have him for St. Louis' 2nd, with SJ paying another team the lower third (of Edm/Col I think) to retain half. I'd rather have him (at least until the deadline) than not if the return is a 3rd or 4th. At the deadline the highest pick for him (and Vancek goes) with SJ taking back a goalie cap dump if needed.

The most valuable part of having Blackwood and Vanecek is it keeps Askarov dominating in the AHL until the deadline or at least the midpoint. Getting shelled in 40 games over the remaining 85% of the year is pretty different than getting shelled in 15 post deadline. He'll be starter or tandem next year (with hopefully an improved defense), already has a two year contract, and has stated he's okay with being in the AHL to start.

If you're Askarov, your next contract is sorted, you're told you will play 15-20 NHL games this year, and 35-45 next year, that's radically different than Saros (8 years) and Wedgewood (2 years- albeit he could be beaten out) ahead of you. The Sharks have a single goalie signed to an NHL contract next year, Askarov. It's clear he has the path to the starting spot, and SJ hopes will lock it down for a decade.

 

[GrumpyKoala]

He's played 2 full seasons as a starter.

He played in game 7 of the finals a few months ago.

I fail to see where this regression lies.

22-23 .914
23-24 .905
24-25 .872

 

[Fixed to Ruin]

22-23 .914
23-24 .905
24-25 .872

22-23 - 2.75 GAA / 50 GP / 29 regular season wins / 5 playoff wins
23-24 - 2.62 GAA / 59 GP / 36 regular season wins / 14 playoff wins