Value of: Blackwood to EDM

[ManofSteel55]

Oilers don't need goaltending. They need defense.

Well you're half right. We need defense. But let's not pretend that Skinner-Pickard is even an average goaltending duo.

If you want him now I’m asking for a second. Don’t want to rush Askarov into the NHL. If you want him at the TDL I’d probably drop the ask to a third.

There's no world where Blackwood is worth a 2nd. Askarov won't be content in the AHL for long. Look at what he pulled in Nashville. He wasn't going to be happy as 3rd string there, you think he's happy riding the bus for the Sharks when he's probably the best goalie they have today? No way. Given Blackwoods history, the Sharks will be lucky to get anything for him, so the offers here (mid round pick and salary) are pretty fair, in my opinion.

 

[Fixed to Ruin]

Well you're half right. We need defense. But let's not pretend that Skinner-Pickard is even an average goaltending duo.

Skinner went to game 7 if the Stanley Cup finals

He's been around .910 and 2.75 GAA for his NHL career so far. That's the regular season and playoffs.

Sorry to burst your Skinner hating bubble but he's the definition of average. However, nothing points to him being below that. He's a top 20 NHL starting goalie. He's not elite but he's not incapable either.

He was drafted the same year as Swayman and Ukko Pekka Luukkonen and has has a similar stat line and has more playoff wins.

 

[MasterofGrond]

Thought they wanted to improve their goaltending

 

[ManofSteel55]

Skinner went to game 7 if the Stanley Cup finals

He's been around .910 and 2.75 GAA for his NHL career so far. That's the regular season and playoffs.

Sorry to burst your Skinner hating bubble but he's the definition of average. However, nothing points to him being below that. He's a top 20 NHL starting goalie. He's not elite but he's not incapable either.

He was drafted the same year as Swayman and Ukko Pekka Luukkonen and has has a similar stat line and has more playoff wins.

I don't hate Skinner. I like Skinner a lot. But he is a below average starting goalie in the NHL. The Oilers made the finals in spite of Skinner, not because of him. He is too inconsistent to be a "heavy workload" starter, and while Pickard has played above my expectations for him since he was first called up, I think we need someone better to back up Skinner for his dry periods. His numbers look average, but he played on an elite team last year - a good goalie would have above average numbers in his scenario.

Let's not make silly comparisons, like Jeremy Swayman. Swayman is poised to become an elite goalie by the looks of it. Skinner is about to become very average, but wanting an elite payday due to team success.

 

[QuizGuy66]

As a Devils fan I can assure you Blackwood ain't the answer for Edmonton. As mentioned upthread he has value to the Sharks the way an innings-eater reliever has to a baseball team and as such it isn't really worth it to move him barring an unwarranted overpay. Same really applies to Vanacek - though with Vanacek there is the downside that when he loses confidence he is absolutely shambolic.

Colorado probably keeps a dialogue and ultimately it ends up not worth it at this point in the season - maybe later as stated above

 

[Fixed to Ruin]

I don't hate Skinner. I like Skinner a lot. But he is a below average starting goalie in the NHL. The Oilers made the finals in spite of Skinner, not because of him. He is too inconsistent to be a "heavy workload" starter, and while Pickard has played above my expectations for him since he was first called up, I think we need someone better to back up Skinner for his dry periods. His numbers look average, but he played on an elite team last year - a good goalie would have above average numbers in his scenario.

Let's not make silly comparisons, like Jeremy Swayman. Swayman is poised to become an elite goalie by the looks of it. Skinner is about to become very average, but wanting an elite payday due to team success.

All the goaltenders highlighted below were from the 2017 draft class. The numbers don't support any of your arguments. Skinner is trending towards being a capable NHL starting goaltender. Every goalie has good and bad stretches but apparently Skinner is "about to become very average" because he had a few bad starts at 24 and 25 years old.

 

[67 others]

He had shitty SV% on a good team, too. At some point you have to stop making excuses for him.

He also had a good 22-14-8 year with a 91.5% before his injury. Injury prone has been a problem with him since if anything

 

[Canovin]

Blackwood does not for the Oilers. He's from the same mold as Skinner. Going to fold under pressure.

 

[HugeInTheShire]

Edmonton doesn't defend well enough for Blackwood to be effective.

 

[ManofSteel55]

All the goaltenders highlighted below were from the 2017 draft class. The numbers don't support any of your arguments. Skinner is trending towards being a capable NHL starting goaltender. Every goalie has good and bad stretches but apparently Skinner is "about to become very average" because he had a few bad starts at 24 and 25 years old.

I think you are in the extreme minority if you think Skinner is an average goalie right now. Yes, he may get there, but on the list you highlighted, he is at best third, and possibly fourth. He has too many skill deficiencies that he isn't showing improvement on - especially his lateral movement and glove hand. You can throw out any numbers you like, but let's not forget that goalie numbers are mostly team-based. They look better when on a good team. Skinner's numbers are entirely pedestrian, despite being on a team with very good defensive metrics last year. I hope he gets better, but right now, he's not where I want him to be, given we are supposed to be a contender. He needs a backup we can play more, so its closer to a 50-50 split. Is Blackwood that guy? Is he any better than Pickard in that role? Maybe not, so maybe he isn't the answer either.

 

[Gecklund]

Well you're half right. We need defense. But let's not pretend that Skinner-Pickard is even an average goaltending duo.


There's no world where Blackwood is worth a 2nd. Askarov won't be content in the AHL for long. Look at what he pulled in Nashville. He wasn't going to be happy as 3rd string there, you think he's happy riding the bus for the Sharks when he's probably the best goalie they have today? No way. Given Blackwoods history, the Sharks will be lucky to get anything for him, so the offers here (mid round pick and salary) are pretty fair, in my opinion.

Yeah he is worth a 3rd you’re right.

Askarov wasn’t happy because the starter was signed to a 7 year contract. He’s fine being in the AHL if there’s a path. But no you go off. Pretend you know more than Askarov himself, his agent, all the insiders, Grier. Your opinion is worth absolute 0 here.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Yeah he is worth a 3rd you’re right.

Askarov wasn’t happy because the starter was signed to a 7 year contract. He’s fine being in the AHL if there’s a path. But no you go off. Pretend you know more than Askarov himself, his agent, all the insiders, Grier. Your opinion is worth absolute 0 here.

News flash, none of our opinions are worth anything here. But go ahead and keep acting tough online, I'm sure it will do wonders for you.