Blackhawks sued (again) by teammate of Kyle Beach for sexual assault

[hawksrule]

If the Hawks really believed that dealing with the issue immediately would have no negative influence on their play then there would be no reason for them to not do it.

Pretty clearly they believed that having to change their video coach and having to bring another up to speed while the team played with media, fan and player attention deflecting attention from on-ice performance might have had a negative impact on their play.

Didn’t say that.

 

[HTFN]

Didn’t say that.

Sure are dancing around it though.

 

[tyhee]

Didn’t say that.

You managed to reply while I was editing and I saw this just after the edit, which says in part:

It would be mere semantics to claim that avoiding a possible disadvantage is not the same thing as having a competitive advantage. Avoiding a competitive disadvantage is an advantage, not compared with the position of other teams but the position the team would otherwise be in.

 

[Putt Pirate]

So Hawks shouldn’t of been penalized, got it.

They were weren't they?

 

[TLEH]

The NHL doesn't run the lottery. EY does. They also recorded the lottery and released the video. Insinuating the lottery is rigged is comical. I am sure they were happy that Bedard went to a large market. They don't rig the lottery because they don't even f***ing run it.

 

[Putt Pirate]

Love goalpost shifts like this. Of course there's more scrutiny on them getting Bedard. When the Blackhawks only suffer a 2 million dollar fine as a sanction from the league and then through happenstance end up with the Bedard selection, a pick that will net them exponentially more income than 2 million dollars, it reeks of bullshit. I don't believe the draft was rigged in their favor. They had the third best odds. But to me, there isn't a team in the league that deserved him less.

What goalpost shift? Other than nobody cared UNTIL the Hawks were to pick Bedard. So the goalpost moving would be coming from the likes of you.

 

[Golden_Jet]

They were weren't they?

A piddly fine.

 

[Saga of the Elk]

The NHL doesn't run the lottery. EY does. They also recorded the lottery and released the video. Insinuating the lottery is rigged is comical. I am sure they were happy that Bedard went to a large market. They don't rig the lottery because they don't even f***ing run it.

so the NHL couldn't pick a different firm? because Ernst & Young "runs" the lottery?

Surely, you would admit that the NHL can select its own firm.

By doing so, you would admit that E&Y doesn't "run" the lottery. They could perhaps be said to "supervise" it.

 

[Putt Pirate]

A piddly fine.

So they were but not up to your self imposed standards you mean. Take it up with Gary because nothing is changing.

 

[HTFN]

What goalpost shift? Other than nobody cared UNTIL the Hawks were to pick Bedard. So the goalpost moving would be coming from the likes of you.

Nobody cared? The second it was reported what they were punished with plenty of people felt it wasn't enough. It came back up with Bedard, sure, but don't pretend this is all some asset jealousy instead of a huge dissatisfaction with the NHL failing to punish a major misdeed.

 

[hawksrule]

You managed to reply while I was editing and I saw this just after the edit, which says in part:

It would be mere semantics to claim that avoiding a possible disadvantage is not the same thing as having a competitive advantage. Avoiding a competitive disadvantage is an advantage, not compared with the position of other teams but the position the team would otherwise be in.

And i generally agree with that. Teams avoid competitive disadvantages in a thousand different ways. It’s why they play their best players the most minutes and don’t play their goalies on the wing. As you said, avoiding these disadvantages aren’t an unfair advantage relative to the other teams.

 

[Putt Pirate]

so the NHL couldn't pick a different firm? because Ernst & Young "runs" the lottery?

Surely, you would admit that the NHL can select its own firm.

By doing so, you would admit that E&Y doesn't "run" the lottery. They could perhaps be said to "supervise" it.

You think the reputation of a company like EY would sacrifice their corporate reputation for a fricking NHL lottery rigging? Man, that is rich.

 

[HTFN]

So they were but not up to your self imposed standards you mean. Take it up with Gary because nothing is changing.

This is what makes people hate you guys. It's the victory lap, instead of being remotely humble about how your team got off light.

This is a "haha we got away with it and got Bedard too so f*** you guys" instead of anything remotely human.

 

[Saga of the Elk]

Nobody cared? The second it was reported what they were punished with plenty of people felt it wasn't enough. It came back up with Bedard, sure, but don't pretend this is all some asset jealousy instead of a huge dissatisfaction with the NHL failing to punish a major misdeed.

And I'd add that the reason they failed was precisely because it was Chicago.

 

[Putt Pirate]

Nobody cared? The second it was reported what they were punished with plenty of people felt it wasn't enough. It came back up with Bedard, sure, but don't pretend this is all some asset jealousy instead of a huge dissatisfaction with the NHL failing to punish a major misdeed.

This is EXACTLY was a this is when posters say it was rigged, etc.

 

[Saga of the Elk]

You think the reputation of a company like EY would sacrifice their corporate reputation for a fricking NHL lottery rigging? Man, that is rich.

People used to say that about Arthur Andersen too.

I don't think I've ever said it was rigged. It's also silly and naive to dismiss the possibility altogether.

 

[TLEH]

so the NHL couldn't pick a different firm? because Ernst & Young "runs" the lottery?

Surely, you would admit that the NHL can select its own firm.

By doing so, you would admit that E&Y doesn't "run" the lottery. They could perhaps be said to "supervise" it.

You're insinuating that the firm would fabricate a lottery. No matter what firm they chose, you would insinuate the same.

EY doesn't "supervise" the lottery. They do the entire thing and Bettman reads the results.

 

[TLEH]

This is what makes people hate you guys. It's the victory lap, instead of being remotely humble about how your team got off light.

This is a "haha we got away with it and got Bedard too so f*** you guys" instead of anything remotely human.

Pointing out that people were only upset about a draft pick not being removed until after the lottery is not a victory lap or saying f*** you guys.

I have a hard time accepting the large leaps people make in these type of threads. Just because someone argues whether a video coach was a disadvantage or an advantage or neither does not make them a sexual assault apologist. Ridiculous statements.

 

[x Tame Impala]

Sens had forfeit a 1st rounder for something very minor, but the Blackhawks get a slap on the wrist for hiding a criminal act and on top of that they win the lottery in get Bedard, yeah tell me the NHL is fair???

The lottery is odds-based. Chance. It wasn't a decision to award Bedard to Chicago. WTF are you talking about, "fair"?

The head coach and GM were fired. They received a $2million fine. Their DoPS was fired prior. It was a disgusting mishandling of the situation. It was appalling to see these events unfold and it tarnishes my personal all time favorite moments in sports.

99% of these main board posts are absurd however. Taking their name off the cup or taking away draft picks for something like this doesn't make any sense. How many 1st round picks equates to a proper punishment for covering up a sexual assault??? 1? 2? 5? It's such an arbitrary value that can't possibly correlate to an appropriate justice given to Beach.

This thread is petulant and obnoxious. It's disappointing to see so many of you acting like chimpanzees yelling in a zoo. The people involved in this scandal were fired and punished. The Blackhawks had to pay millions of dollars + whatever private settlement Beach and most likely this new Black Ace will rightfully demand. It's being dealt with. Get over yourselves.

 

[HTFN]

Pointing out that people were only upset about a draft pick not being removed until after the lottery is not a victory lap or saying f*** you guys.

I have a hard time accepting the large leaps people make in these type of threads. Just because someone argues whether a video coach was a disadvantage or an advantage or neither does not make them a sexual assault apologist. Ridiculous statements.

Again, that's willfully choosing to ignore that people thought the punishment was lacking before they were ever in Bedard territory. It was re-ignited then, but that wasn't the first time people suddenly had a problem with it.

The lottery is odds-based. Chance. It wasn't a decision to award Bedard to Chicago. WTF are you talking about, "fair"?

The head coach and GM were fired. They received a $2million fine. Their DoPS was fired prior. It was a disgusting mishandling of the situation. It was appalling to see these events unfold and it tarnishes my personal all time favorite moments in sports.

99% of these main board posts are absurd however. Taking their name off the cup or taking away draft picks for something like this doesn't make any sense. How many 1st round picks equates to a proper punishment for covering up a sexual assault??? 1? 2? 5? It's such an arbitrary value that can't possibly correlate to an appropriate justice given to Beach.

This thread is petulant and obnoxious. It's disappointing to see so many of you acting like chimpanzees yelling in a zoo. The people involved in this scandal were fired and punished. The Blackhawks had to pay millions of dollars + whatever private settlement Beach and most likely this new Black Ace will rightfully demand. It's being dealt with. Get over yourselves.

A 2m fine is officially less than the value of a first round pick based on offer sheets, not only in the immediate signing but also when factoring team control. 2m is nothing, a pick matters. Sens lost one and it wasn't a fine, and what they did most tangibly did not give them a competitive advantage on the ice.

 

[HTFN]

What would make you happy to see Hawks fans saying in here that we haven't all already said? Not a one of us is saying anything along the lines of "Wow thank god we didn't lose draft picks because of this".

"Humble"??? What the hell are you even talking about. You're just taking your chance to be self-righteous and outraged on the internet

There are some times where it's okay to say nothing instead of litigating the nitty gritty points of something that makes you look like a jerk. It's okay to just... not fight a "war for your fans" that makes it easy to wonder why it's more important that you feel good than that people be punished for awful behavior.

These threads aren't full of people saying "I can't believe anybody supports the Hawks anymore" because we all get it. It's hard and not fair to just be asked/forced to drop ties.

Doesn't mean people have to come in picking apart what a competitive advantage means instead of just shutting the absolute f*** up, because the history is already written and not changing (nobody's taking Bedard away tomorrow) and recognizing that it could have been worse. It's a jerk move.

The fact that you think this is about me instead of victims of real crimes is telling, because you also seem to think it's about you and the other fans. Step into the real world and realize this is a game for sport and entertainment and other shit matters more. I bet you think I also wanted a more severe punishment because I "hate the Blackhawks" instead of not giving a particular shit about them and wanting the NHL to do better by sexual assault victims and a lot more to discourage coverups.

 

[TLEH]

There are some times where it's okay to say nothing instead of litigating the nitty gritty points of something that makes you look like a jerk. It's okay to just... not fight a "war for your fans" that makes it easy to wonder why it's more important that you feel good than that people be punished for awful behavior.

These threads aren't full of people saying "I can't believe anybody supports the Hawks anymore" because we all get it. It's hard and not fair to just be asked/forced to drop ties.

Doesn't mean people have to come in picking apart what a competitive advantage means instead of just shutting the absolute f*** up, because the history is already written and not changing (nobody's taking Bedard away tomorrow) and recognizing that it could have been worse. It's a jerk move.

The fact that you think this is about me instead of victims of real crimes is telling, because you also seem to think it's about you and the other fans. Step into the real world and realize this is a game for sport and entertainment and other shit matters more.

You are ALSO picking apart what is a competitive advantage and what isn't. Both of us agree that what happened to Beach was wrong and not reporting it was also wrong.

Because I am a Blackhawks fan, I need to "shut the absolute f*** up"

You have argued semantics in here all the same. We just happened to be on opposite sides. We both agree on the basics. Quit being so self righteous.

Arguing either way about 1st round picks when someone got sexually assaulted is wrong for both of us then. And we both should shut the f*** up.

 

[Saga of the Elk]

Not disclosing the abuse was absolutely a competitive advantage. It's killing me that some people can't admit that.

Imagine playing poker against a guy called Stan who hid an ace up his sleeve the whole time. Let's say you kept losing, and Stan only admitted it at the end. The casino says that's a $50 fine and Stan can't come back until tomorrow night. Oh, well, Stan never played the ace so it wasn't a competitive disadvantage? Oh, well, it's my fault for not playing better and catching the cheating! Oh, well, he seems like a cool guy, because when a major NHL market thrives, the whole league thrives, so don't let's worry about any "victims" here!

 

[Ace Card Bedard]

I hope the other player involved gets paid as well.

Every executive involved in the 2010 team is gone from the team.
McDonough fired, Bowman fired, Blunk, MacIsaac, even Quenneville.
And the owner died.

I'm not about to smear the "new" Blackhawks with this as they had nothing to do with it but certainly the organization can pay the unnamed player for damages.

 

[Memento]

The lottery is odds-based. Chance. It wasn't a decision to award Bedard to Chicago. WTF are you talking about, "fair"?

The head coach and GM were fired. They received a $2million fine. Their DoPS was fired prior. It was a disgusting mishandling of the situation. It was appalling to see these events unfold and it tarnishes my personal all time favorite moments in sports.

99% of these main board posts are absurd however. Taking their name off the cup or taking away draft picks for something like this doesn't make any sense. How many 1st round picks equates to a proper punishment for covering up a sexual assault??? 1? 2? 5? It's such an arbitrary value that can't possibly correlate to an appropriate justice given to Beach.

This thread is petulant and obnoxious. It's disappointing to see so many of you acting like chimpanzees yelling in a zoo. The people involved in this scandal were fired and punished. The Blackhawks had to pay millions of dollars + whatever private settlement Beach and most likely this new Black Ace will rightfully demand. It's being dealt with. Get over yourselves.

Let's start with five first round picks starting from the time the article came out (so Korchinski, Nazar, Rinzel, Bedard, and Moore). Same amount the Blues had to give up in the 90s (along with Scott Stevens because of tampering) and the same as what I'd be demanding if my Blues did something like this, to go along with jettisoning every person responsible from the team, from the players to the owner, giving a blank check to the victims, and forfeiting any Cup we would've won in that time period; I have zero tolerance for sexual assault because my sister and one of my friends had to go through it.

If you don't think literal sexual assault of two of your younger playeres deserves to be punished with more than what you got, I don't know what to tell you.