Rumor: Blackhawks' Kevin Hayes on Rangers radar?
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Hawks intended to sign him ,, Even as recently as January ESPN interview Hayes said he planned to sign with Hawks
After he hired an agent his entire stance changed ,, Hawks made several offers to kid and he refused to sign
There is nothing Stan Bowman could have done when he found out a few months ago Hayes wasn't signing. Only option for Hawks is to accept he wont sign and take 2015 54th overall and move on
Kid simply doesn't want to put work into earning his spot in Chicago against several other forward prospects ,, 4 of which are fellow 1st rounders down in Rockford
RW Ryan Hartman (2013 1st)
C/W Teuvo Teravainen (2012 1st)
RW Mark McNeill (2011 1st)
LW Phillip Danault (2011 1st)
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"doesn't want to put in the work" is conjecture and sounds bitter as ****.
Maybe he just wants a realistic shot at making it in this league and having a career, instead of potentially toiling in the minors due to Chicago's depth.
Maybe he just wants a realistic shot at making it in this league and having a career, instead of potentially toiling in the minors due to Chicago's depth.
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Hayes wants to play. He's cocky like Kreider. Too bad he's not as fast.
The kid is going to take a while to earn what he wants. He's not fast, so he has to refine his overall game.
Hayes should sign with the Rangers. Boston can't do it. New York is close to home, and he's got a New England connection with Gorton and Kreider. More importantly, he can be mentored by two veteran wingers in (don't laugh) Nash and MSL.
Calgary and Florida are losing programs. The Pens are an option, but they have a shoddy record developing players (top-3 picks don't count)
If he signs with the Rangers, he plays one year in Hartford and can work to grab a top-9 spot the following year with all those flight risk UFA/RFA.
Of course, the question is where does he want to go? Hopefully here.
The kid is going to take a while to earn what he wants. He's not fast, so he has to refine his overall game.
Hayes should sign with the Rangers. Boston can't do it. New York is close to home, and he's got a New England connection with Gorton and Kreider. More importantly, he can be mentored by two veteran wingers in (don't laugh) Nash and MSL.
Calgary and Florida are losing programs. The Pens are an option, but they have a shoddy record developing players (top-3 picks don't count)
If he signs with the Rangers, he plays one year in Hartford and can work to grab a top-9 spot the following year with all those flight risk UFA/RFA.
Of course, the question is where does he want to go? Hopefully here.
Well this is absolutely an excuse for what he's deciding to do.
I don't see prospects in the MLB, NFL, or NBA holding their teams hostage because other prospects are in their way to the big leagues.
Prospects should not be allowed to pull this ****.
AlternateSideParking
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I don't know if it was mentioned, but the Hawks receive the 24th pick of the 2nd Round (or 54th overall) of 2015 if Hayes signs elsewhere.
It's an NHL pick. Not a pick of a team who signs him.
So if I'm reading it right, if the Rangers and Bolts make the CF, the two Rangers picks in the 2nd round will be one spot lower each. If either wins the Cup, then one of the picks becomes the first pick of the 3rd round.
I think.
It's an NHL pick. Not a pick of a team who signs him.
So if I'm reading it right, if the Rangers and Bolts make the CF, the two Rangers picks in the 2nd round will be one spot lower each. If either wins the Cup, then one of the picks becomes the first pick of the 3rd round.
I think.
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Player rights have to expire at some point, it happens with Junior kids, too, if not signed within 2 years they go back into draft at 20, and maybe end up free agents. For the college kids its August after 4 years of play.
But now that its becoming a tactic (Jordan Samuels-Thomas wouldnt sign with Jets so they traded rights to Sabres who signed him ASAP) maybe the rules get tweaked.
I'd like to see a teams' rights extended, but there have to be some intent on the teams part as well - perhaps a qualifying offer system, so that the player is limited to his draft team IF the team offers him a contract.
Because there are also kids that teams decide they wont sign like Travis Brown who came to NYR Dev Camp who'd been drafted by Hawks; like NYR and Thomas Spelling this year and Shane McColgan last year
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Yeah, but the Astros pulled some major shenanigans in that negotiation. He thought they had a deal and then Houston pulled its offer.
Back on topic, they really ought to close this loophole that lets NCAA kids become free agents instead of signing with the team that drafted them.
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Chicago's trying to use him, but he won't sign. Anaheim wanted to sign Justin Schultz and had the same problem. This is an issue that should be fixed.
Not "correcting" the problem the first time might be an oversight--but not the second time.
At least it keeps the summer a little more interestng.
At least it keeps the summer a little more interestng.
Different situations.
MLB prospects still have to go through several minor league levels before they reach a big league game.
Invariably, there will be many players that an MLB prospect will have to perform better than to make the big club.
This is entirely different. Hayes is looking for the easiest path.
In the MLB, prospects have to prove themselves to earn a spot. In the NFL, this holds true even more so, as their career shelf life is not only shorter than in any other sport, but their salaries in large are not entirely guaranteed. Prospects need to stand out even more to earn their spots. NBA is the same drill as the previous two mentioned. Prospect gets selected by team and has to earn his playing time.
What Hayes is doing is entirely in bad faith. There is absolutely nothing wrong with what the Blackhawks are offering him. As opposed to Tyler Kolek, there is no fiscal dispute between player and organization. Kolek was found to have an arm injury that increased the risk of him needing tommy john surgery. The Astros subsequently offered him a much lower contract.
Hayes is being offered the standard contract amount from a top NHL team in a great city. He's choosing the easy way out. And it should never be allowed.
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Hayes was drafted four years ago and hasn't earned a dime. He's entitled to do what's within his rights per the CBA.
I don't get this moral obligation BS. It's not cut and dry. he actually did the right thing by informing the Hawks months ago ago that he was considering going elsewhere.
The Hawks are the ones who interviewed him and scouted him. If it's a character flaw to want a change of scenery, then shame on the Hawks for not picking up on it.
The Euro kids do the same thing. You draft their rights, not their lives.
All the Dynamo and CSKA stars were drafted in the 1980s and they didn't show up to the NHL for years.
The Hawks will get compensated.
I don't get this moral obligation BS. It's not cut and dry. he actually did the right thing by informing the Hawks months ago ago that he was considering going elsewhere.
The Hawks are the ones who interviewed him and scouted him. If it's a character flaw to want a change of scenery, then shame on the Hawks for not picking up on it.
The Euro kids do the same thing. You draft their rights, not their lives.
All the Dynamo and CSKA stars were drafted in the 1980s and they didn't show up to the NHL for years.
The Hawks will get compensated.
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Matt Zultek, Scott Parker and Nick Boynton were all picks who were re-drafted for not coming to terms with original club. Boynton was 9th overall and Caps didn't get compensated. Parker sucked and was a Devils 3rd then went in the 1st to the Avs two years later. Matt Zultek was a top-15 pick the Kings acquired from the Blues in the Gretzky deal (worst trade ever) and he ended up going later to Boston.
Mike Van Ryn is the most famous case. That was a fiasco. He sucked too.
Edit: correction deflection. Caps did get compensated in 1999 with a 2nd rounder.
The point is that hayes is not setting a precedent, and it's not just NCAA kids who don't come to terms.
It's a risk you take when you draft a college kid. He enters 17 or 18 and leaves 21 or 22. People change.
Mike Van Ryn is the most famous case. That was a fiasco. He sucked too.
Edit: correction deflection. Caps did get compensated in 1999 with a 2nd rounder.
The point is that hayes is not setting a precedent, and it's not just NCAA kids who don't come to terms.
It's a risk you take when you draft a college kid. He enters 17 or 18 and leaves 21 or 22. People change.
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Hawk fans seems to be ok with what's happening. They will have a 2nd in a deep draft over a unhappy player that won't fit with their team anyway,(according to Hawk fans). And as they look at it, clearly he isn't believing that much in himself, if so,then he would have signed with one of the best franchises in the league? You probably don't want that kind of character on your team anyway?
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No, it shouldn't. It's fine the way it is. NCAA players have to wait 4 years to become UFAs and in that time, they don't earn a dime. Yet players like Tim Erixon can refuse to sign with their team and re-enter the draft after 2 years.
Just because a team drafts a player doesn't mean that player has any obligation whatsoever to play for that team. Are teams obligated to offer drafted players a contract? Nope. So why should the players be obligated?
NFL is a bit different. If you refuse to sign after being drafted you don't have many options. Still, that didn't stop guys like John Elway or Eli Manning from forcing trades on the teams that drafted them.
Peyton Manning also played hardball with the Jets who owned the #1 pick when he finished his degree.
Of course #1 overall future NFL HoFers have a little more leverage than an 18yo hockey player. I expect to see it more often in baseball and hockey as college is becoming a more common destination for top prospects than in the past (my uneducated opinion).
I personally don't think there's anything wrong with it. If you have leverage then you should use it. The other side will use their leverage against you. Just ask Glen.
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If the team that drafts you offers you an entry level deal then you shouldn't be able to make an end run around that to sign with another team. Now there should be a date by which they have to offer you a contract to maintain your rights, but why should you get to be a free agent as long as they're willing to sign you?
Only a handful of guys are as fast.
Hayes has height and strength and maybe fast enough.
would be willing to break up super speed line of Kreider Miller (fastest we have) and MSL, put Hags with MSL and Lombardi or a speedy upgrade (interested to experiment with J. Moore in the pivot just for this line, or if deal w/Detr. (Nash?) maybe Helm comes over.
No way to be sure without kicking ALL the tires.
Yeah, if he wants a shot w/bud Kreidsmeister, than I say it's his to lose, assuming we can juggle to make both a power line and a speed line work.
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