Rumor: Blackhawks' Kevin Hayes on Rangers radar?
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this is NOT a loophole. this is the standard rules for every ncaa player drafted and every team knows the rules that apply to drafting college players vs chl players vs european players when they make the picks...
when mike van ryn & mike comrie left school to play in juniors and then filed suit that the chl rules should apply making them ufas instead of the ncaa rules, THAT was a loophole cause the teams that drafted them didn't know that...when justin schultz argued and won that because he played in the bchl after being drafted his 4 years were up after his junior year and he should be a ufa, THAT was a loophole...
kevin hayes playing all 4 years in college, graduating and then needing to be signed by august 15th isn't a loop hole, thats the rule
when mike van ryn & mike comrie left school to play in juniors and then filed suit that the chl rules should apply making them ufas instead of the ncaa rules, THAT was a loophole cause the teams that drafted them didn't know that...when justin schultz argued and won that because he played in the bchl after being drafted his 4 years were up after his junior year and he should be a ufa, THAT was a loophole...
kevin hayes playing all 4 years in college, graduating and then needing to be signed by august 15th isn't a loop hole, thats the rule
Zil
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Because that's the whole point of the draft. It's not there to give players freedom. It's there to give all teams a fair shot at young talent entering the league. If you want to play in the NHL then you should have to sign with the team that picks you unless they decline to tender you an offer.
Hunter Gathers
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I think you are looking a bit too much at the top end prospects.
First of all, with your proposal, you would always have to have a set salary. Right? The 1st overall pick would have to get paid as much as the last pick. Because the players could never negotiate anything, they would have absolute zero leverege.
Second of all, after the top guys, when you look at the rest, like say a Calle Andersson, many teams don't care that much about them. Its more about the 50 contract limit if anything. Should a team that has no or little interest in a palyer keep his rights? For many players its quite obvious that the team that owns their rights will not be a fit for them and they wait it out. Try to go the long way. There are 6 rounds of players picked outside the first round...
This happens so rarely. And teams understand that it can happen.
Why haven't the teams made this a point in CBA negotiations? The answer is because it's not a loophole and it's not really a big deal. Proposing to "address" this is just change for the sake of change. No need to fix what isn't broken.
Why haven't the teams made this a point in CBA negotiations? The answer is because it's not a loophole and it's not really a big deal. Proposing to "address" this is just change for the sake of change. No need to fix what isn't broken.
It's not as if guys are gaining a ton from this in a monetary sense. You don't like the team that drafted you? Okay, go play four years in college and forgo the opportunity to sign an ELC during that time. You're sacrificing potential short-term earnings for the opportunity to have a say in where you begin your career, and you maybe pick up a little bit of bonus cash along the way. These players are still subject to the the standard ELC guidelines they'd be limited by if they signed with their drafting team. It's not like they're hitting true UFA status. There are advantages and disadvantages to the approach from a player's perspective. I don't really think it's a big deal.
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Teams have 4 years to sign college players. The PA wouldn't agree to any changes. Why didn't the new CBA make any majors? The PA isn't interested in limiting players rights. They fought against the NHL changing the age of group III and any arbitration changes. August 15th for 4 year college players who were bona-fide college students prior to the 1st June 1 after they were selected and a player can leave school the fourth June 1 since he was drafted to become a free agent. They included a clause named after a goaltender named Goephert or something like that. Fogarty could leave school after his junior year and become a free agent. Columbus wanted to sign Mike Reilly because he can leave after his junior year and become a free agent. Fogarty and Reilly spent 11-12 in BCHL. 3 years of school. Fourth June 1 is 2015.
Maybe the Hawks annoyed Hayes. Hagelin was in the same spot in 2011. He was a 4 year player and signed with the Rangers instead of waiting until August 15. Hagelin didn't even force the Rangers to burning a year off the contract as a condition. I remember Clark saying Hagelin wanted to finish school before turning pro and he would sign once the senior season was over. Hagelin wasn't a first round pick but he would have gotten an NHL contact as a free agent. He didn't get a very big entry-level contract from the Rangers.
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Players still get paid when their contracts "slide" right? I assumed sliding was only meant for the 50 contract minimum as well as the salary cap hits.
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It depends. In the AHL they will get paid their AHL salary as stated in their ELC, but if they are in juniors, they won't be paid under their NHL contract, other than signing bonuses. And I'm pretty sure that even if an ELC slides, it will still count against the 50 limit if that player is in the AHL (I don't know if the same is true for European leagues).
So for example, when JT Miller was 18, he signed with the Rangers and played in juniors. He was paid his signing bonus immediately, but didn't otherwise get paid by the Rangers. His contract at that time didn't count against the 50 limit.
Anisimov signed with the Rangers at 19 and played 74 games in Hartford. His contract slid, he got paid his AHL salary, and his contract I believe counted against the 50 limit that year.
I doubt it. Unless the Rangers are really confident in the idea of Allen stepping into the NHL, we'd be creating a hole on D for a guy who will more than likely start in the AHL.
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in case no one else posted this, a full review of all the guys NCAA guts who didn't sign with their NHL teams, some have already signed AHL deals with drafting team's affiliate
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Hayes is getting hate mail because of his draft position, but clearly college kids of all types have used and will use their inherent right to seek greener pastures.
Is Kellen Jones still available? Tons of skill for a tiny guy, he was money for Q's title run.
A minor league contract is only with the AHL team--if the parent team wants to call up the player, they have to sign him to a NHL contract first. Happened with David
LeNeveu (the goalie) this last season.
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its not a contract with the NHL club, only the minor league team.
recent example, last year when Hartford needed a goalie, they acquired David Leneveau on an AHL contract.
BUT when NYR needed him, NYR had to sign him to a NHL contract.
NYR signed some drafted college kids in the past to AHL deals - Danny Hobbs, Max Campbell.
Also every year Hartford signs some players to AHL deals, those guys are not actually available to the Rangers on those contracts- this year so far the only (reported but not yet formally) confirmed such guys are F's Ryan Potulny and returnee Shawn ODonnell
last year those players included
Forwards Andrew Rowe, Andrew Carroll, and
Defenders Brendon Nash, Mike Marcou and Charlie Dodero
and goalie Jeff Malcolm.
Only Nash was ever a regular in Hartford though.
They acquired for TJ Hensick on AHL deal, he was a regular 2d half,
Shawn O'Donnell actually played the whole AHL season with Hartford as a AHL-level "PTO - Pro try-out" -
former NYR prospect Brodie Dupont was also, on a AHL PTO for first 1/2 of the year
also Hartford 'called up' some ECHL Players from Greenville, who were on ECHL contracts - such as Justin Vaive (27 games), Bretton Stammler (39) and former NYR/Hartford D Sam Klassen.
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Undrafted un(NHL)signed Dan Girardi's first pro contract was an AHL contract with NYR's Hartford AHL team.
The day that deal ended, 7/1/2006 NYR signed him for to NHL deal.
BBKers
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One day left then the smokescreen Will most likely have cleared in the Hayes Sweepstakes. Thereafter I think we will make one final roster move (omitting signing John Moore which is a given).
Suffice to say I think Sather will keep at least one contract available in retrospect to the 50 SPc limitation.
Suffice to say I think Sather will keep at least one contract available in retrospect to the 50 SPc limitation.
Yeah, but you never know... All of a sudden it takes 2 weeks for him to make up his mind...
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