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Jimmy Firecracker said:
Frustrating thing is since that Game 5 and series Korpisalo has turned back into a pumpkin and has an above 3 GAA and a sub .900 save percentage last season and this one. Turned into George Vezina that series though. :rolleyes:
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Not just that series but that playoffs.

Gotta remember he set the playoff save record against the Bolts the next series and, despite the Jackets losing in 5, he was the best player of the series (all games were 1 goal games as he kept his team in it). The only reason Tampa won that series was that they also had elite goaltending to carry the better team through.

Still one of the great playoff goaltending performances in recent memory from Korpisalo though.
 
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Zybalto said:
Not just that series but that playoffs.

Gotta remember he set the playoff save record against the Bolts the next series and, despite the Jackets losing in 5, he was the best player of the series (all games were 1 goal games as he kept his team in it). The only reason Tampa won that series was that they also had elite goaltending to carry the better team through.

Still one of the great playoff goaltending performances in recent memory from Korpisalo though.
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He wasn't even that great against us, that series was a good example of how misleading stats such as scoring chances and high danger scoring chances can be over a small sample size. The criteria for these stats is arbitrary, anyone who watched the games, paid attention and later looked at the stats should understand this. I mean the CLB goalies were good, but nowhere near as good as these stats might suggest. The best example is Tavares missing the net, was it a grade A high danger scoring danger chance? Absolutely it was. Did the goaltending have anything to do with us not scoring? Nope, we just missed the empty net. We kept hitting the goalies with our shots or hitting the post or missing the net entirely. That's something that the stats don't tell you but something that anyone watching the games should know.

In our last 10 periods of hockey when both teams are facing elimination, we've been outscored 15-2. We really need to stop pretending like we just keep running into great goaltending and that's why we've been losing in the playoffs.
 
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Gary Nylund said:
He wasn't even that great against us, that series was a good example of how misleading stats such as scoring chances and high danger scoring chances can be over a small sample size. The criteria for these stats is arbitrary, anyone who watched the games, paid attention and later looked at the stats should understand this. I mean the CLB goalies were good, but nowhere near as good as these stats might suggest. The best example is Tavares missing the net, was it a grade A high danger scoring danger chance? Absolutely it was. Did the goaltending have anything to do with us not scoring? Nope, we just missed the empty net. We kept hitting the goalies with our shots or hitting the post or missing the net entirely. That's something that the stats don't tell you but something that anyone watching the games should know.

In our last 10 periods of hockey when both teams are facing elimination, we've been outscored 15-2. We really need to stop pretending like we just keep running into great goaltending and that's why we've been losing in the playoffs.
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Our current present gangstas would run over that club up!
 
Gary Nylund said:
He wasn't even that great against us, that series was a good example of how misleading stats such as scoring chances and high danger scoring chances can be over a small sample size. The criteria for these stats is arbitrary, anyone who watched the games, paid attention and later looked at the stats should understand this. I mean the CLB goalies were good, but nowhere near as good as these stats might suggest. The best example is Tavares missing the net, was it a grade A high danger scoring danger chance? Absolutely it was. Did the goaltending have anything to do with us not scoring? Nope, we just missed the empty net. We kept hitting the goalies with our shots or hitting the post or missing the net entirely. That's something that the stats don't tell you but something that anyone watching the games should know.

In our last 10 periods of hockey when both teams are facing elimination, we've been outscored 15-2. We really need to stop pretending like we just keep running into great goaltending and that's why we've been losing in the playoffs.
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Sure, It's been a mix of variables but no one should deny that Columbus goaltending was on fire. The last 3 years, did the Leafs miss some chances too? Sure they did......but the opposition goaltending we were up against was all world, not just against us but against everyone. It's all random chance I guess but I would say the Leafs faced minimum top 2 best in the playoffs goaltending the last three seasons while their own goaltending has been arguably the most unclutch in big moments of any team in the league. Thats why you get that 15-2 number (although you are leaving out some elimination games to try and make your point).

I watched every single game and was amazed for different reasons. Against the Bruins, I thought both goalies looked better than expected but Rask was an absolute stud who was the best goalie of the playoffs that year. I was shocked at how bad the Jackets D looked and how good their goaltending was. Price was probably the biggest shock as he really turned back the clock and was locked in for everything. His positioning was elite and even though he made a few circus saves, he was moving around so well he made tough saves look easy.

I'm not saying the Leafs didnt shoot themselves in the foot sometimes either, just saying that goaltending was ultimately the biggest factor.

You put Vasi on this team and theres a good chance they win the last two cups just like Tampa. Be nice to get those 1-0 shutouts to close out series like the Bolts were getting (with worse defensive numbers)
 
Hopefully they pick up where they left off in Winnipeg. The fan base is starting to get energized and if they come out with a mean attitude they'll feed the fans and the fans will reciprocate.

I really can’t remember the last time I was actually excited to watch a Leafs game.
 
Zybalto said:
Sure, It's been a mix of variables but no one should deny that Columbus goaltending was on fire. The last 3 years, did the Leafs miss some chances too? Sure they did......but the opposition goaltending we were up against was all world, not just against us but against everyone. It's all random chance I guess but I would say the Leafs faced minimum top 2 best in the playoffs goaltending the last three seasons while their own goaltending has been arguably the most unclutch in big moments of any team in the league. Thats why you get that 15-2 number (although you are leaving out some elimination games to try and make your point).
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I disagree, that simply was not the case. Their goalies were good, but that good. Maybe you should go back and watch the games again, I think the stats might be distorting your views here. And in the last 4 playoffs we've been in exactly 4 games where both teams were facing elimination so no, I am not leaving anything out and considering the fact that your have brought up how the CLB goalies played against TB a number of times when that has absolutely nothing to do with how the Leafs have played in the playoffs, maybe you should think a bit about who's the one considering relevant facts here.

Like I said, in our last 10 periods of hockey when both teams are facing elimination, we've been outscored 15-2 and that's an objective fact.

Zybalto said:
You put Vasi on this team and theres a good chance they win the last two cups just like Tampa. Be nice to get those 1-0 shutouts to close out series like the Bolts were getting (with worse defensive numbers)
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You could say similar things about many teams - if only this or if only that then maybe this or that happens but I don't see any point in that and I prefer to deal in facts. The fact is that we don't have Vasi and we've yet to win one single playoff round. And BTW I watched the TB game 7 against NYI and again, I have no idea what the numbers are telling you and I really don't care, TB played great hockey in that game, certainly much better than we have played in any game 7, hell even NYI played better in that game then we have played in any game 7. You can wish we had Vasi but the thing is, we didn't need better goaltending to win a series deciding game, we just needed our players not to play some of the worst hockey of the entire season at crunch time, getting outscored 15-2 is pathetic. You put all the lipstick you want on that pig, it's still a pig.
 
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Coachcorner said:
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Our current present gangstas would run over that club up!
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Well, we'll see what happens in the spring but yes I do find it hard to imagine that this team could play as poorly as we've played in the last 4 series deciding games. But then again, I thought the same last year so I'm not counting on anything. We were so consistent all year, every time a team got hot and was closing in on us in 1st place it seemed like we played them and crushed them. And then up 3-1 against MTL, we played well in game 5 and 6 but Price held us off and then once again, we didn't show up for game 7. Even Zeke, the biggest homer on these boards called that the worst loss in franchise history which IMO is accurate and I absolutely did not see that coming.

I like this team so far, I like it a lot and I've even said that it's the best Leaf team I've ever seen and I've been watching for just over 50 years now. But I'm not taking anything for granted, that's for damn sure.
 
Ooooof marners out……

last time this happened we lost 7 in a row and Babs was done..

…..
We got this right?
 
Just my guess.


MICHAEL BUNTING
AUSTON MATTHEWS		Ho Sang?

ALEXANDER KERFOOT
JOHN TAVARES
WILLIAM NYLANDER

NICK RITCHIE
DAVID KAMPF
ONDREJ KASE

KYLE CLIFFORD
PIERRE ENGVALL
WAYNE SIMMONDS
[TBODY] [/TBODY]
DEFENSIVE PAIRINGS

MORGAN RIELLY
T.J. BRODIE

JAKE MUZZIN
TIMOTHY LILJEGREN
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Travis Dermott
JUSTIN HOLL
[TBODY] [/TBODY]
[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Boy... not sure why Travis is so big... it is what it is...
 
The Ho-Sang rumours make a lot of sense with the Marner news.

Sign Ho-Sang, claim Nash from waivers, punt Clifford back to the Marlies. I'd even call-up Steeves if Mikheyev isn't ready for a little more speed/skill, but that would mean sitting Ritchie.

Kerfoot - Tavares - Nylander
Bunting - Matthews - Ho-Sang
Engvall - Kampf - Kase
Ritchie - Nash - Simmonds

Problems start to happen when the Leafs get healthy... but...
 
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Marner would need to be out until the December 29th game against Pittsburgh, to be eligible for LTIR. That would satisfy the 10 games and 24 days... it would actually be 11 games and 24 days for us. Hopefully he isn't out that long, but that's the cap consideration in this discussion.
 
Gary Nylund said:
Like I said, in our last 10 periods of hockey when both teams are facing elimination, we've been outscored 15-2 and that's an objective fact.
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It is but I shouldnt have to show the highlights of half the goals being scored on the Leafs being of the soft variety do I? I don't mind admitting to the fact the Leafs shot themselves in the foot on occasion but no team in history was going to win with that sort of goaltending.

Over those 10 periods:

Shots:
109-101 Leafs

Scoring Chances:
100-70 Leafs

Goals: 15-2 opposition.

Takes a lot to go wrong for the numbers to work out that way. It's a small sample size of course but the highlights are mainly big saves by the opposition and the lowlights are our keepers giving up softies.

Who was the big MVP for the team that beat us last year?.....and the year before........and the year before........

Every team says it was their goalie. They were saying it themselves. They are telling us the reason they won. I believe them.
 
supermann_98 said:
What are the Ho Sang rumours? They signing him in time to call him up for tonight?
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Ex Leafs/Marlies analyst and coach. Not a single peep from anybody else though.



Probably wishful thinking that they would sign and play him on the same day. If the signing was yesterday though...
 
Aashir Mallick said:
Ooooof marners out……

last time this happened we lost 7 in a row and Babs was done..

…..
We got this right?
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Yeah on one hand, losing Marner for a while obviously sucks. We are trying to win our division and this makes that objective just that much harder. On the other hand, things went so perfectly for us in November, it'll be interesting to see what happens when we face a little bit of adversity. An OT loss, a regulation loss and now Marner ... it makes things interesting. Good teams overcome adversity, now we'll start to get some idea of how good this group really is. Is our November record an indication of how good this team is or is it just another example of points being easier to come by early in the season like we've seen many times before?

We're used to making excuses, aren't we? If only Kadri didn't get suspended, if only Muzzin and Tavares hadn't got hurt, if only our goalie with the excellent SV% didn't allow that one bad goal at that one wrong time etc. But look at TB, Point missed a couple of weeks, Kucherov has hardly played all year and they're still ahead of us in the standings. I look at TB and I see a team that knows how to win. So what are these Toronto Maple Leafs really made of? Does this group know how to win when the going gets a little bit tougher? We start to find out tonight.
 
supermann_98 said:
What are the Ho Sang rumours? They signing him in time to call him up for tonight?
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There has been talk, nothing substantiated. You would think it's either going to be him, or Seney or Steves, who have all played well.

This really is Semyonov's opportunity... ooops.
 
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