Post-Game Talk: Big Oil warming up, Penguins lose habitat

brentashton

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Yup, there’s enough crap going on in the world that we don’t need to try to create negativity(In general, not saying Brent was doing that). As one gets older you learn to appreciate the good moments when they happen, and try not to dissect them too much.
Thank you Bob. I don’t disagree with you and @Fourier on that point.

Context is everything in a dialogue.
 

guymez

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100%. He is at least playing with a purpose and filling a much needed role right now.
Yes...he deserves credit for stepping up when needed at least.
His defence has been meh so far. Still making the wrong read and he still defaults to backing himself in defending the rush which gives up prime ice to the opposition.
Offence consistently dies on his stick as well. So he should not get any PP time in my opinion.
Barely an adequate #3 dman but this might be as good as it gets for Nurse.
 

yukoner88

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Execution is easier against teams not performing.

Scoring chances easier to come by against teams not defending or contesting ice at all.

I never said anything about "barely squeak out" so why you putting that in quotation marks in reply as if I stated it?

We're all built differently. I'm a purist and prefer a better played game. For instance the Canes game and Dallas game have been my faves this year because they were legitimate tests.

Oilers are playing better though. I think first 3 games were the worst.

Going to respectfully disagree with the first sentence.

It can be really easy to get over confident and have lazy/bad habits creep into your game when an opponent is not performing well

Staying disciplined and not losing focus is a skill. We've seen the Mainstays of this roster play down to their weaker opponents dozens of times over the years and get themselves in trouble because of it.

To keep the Penguins down with right execution and not giving them anything for a full 60mins is a sign of maturity that most of us aren't used to yet.

Now let's see if the Oilers can stay even keeled enough to go out n do it again.
 

brentashton

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Going to respectfully disagree with the first sentence.

It can be really easy to get over confident and have lazy/bad habits creep into your game when an opponent is not performing well

Staying disciplined and not losing focus is a skill. We've seen the Mainstays of this roster play down to their weaker opponents dozens of times over the years and get themselves in trouble because of it.

To keep the Penguins down with right execution and not giving them anything for a full 60mins is a sign of maturity that most of us aren't used to yet.

Now let's see if the Oilers can stay even keeled enough to go out n do it again.
You’re kinda saying the same thing @Drivesaitl is. Weak opponents aren’t a good or accurate measuring stick.
 
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Jimmi McJenkins

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Who is moving goalposts? He asked me if I was being legit with my comment and I responded as to why.

If you don’t like it, stay out of the conversation. It didn’t involve you.
Doesn't count because team bad is just that. It's pretty simple, the Oilers destroyed that team, they deserved every inch of the win in all phases of the game. The Pittsburgh Penguins are an NHL team. They aren't great, but they are an NHL team.

Treating the win like the Oilers selected some local bantam team to play is BS and is moving the goal posts
 

brentashton

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Doesn't count because team bad is just that. It's pretty simple, the Oilers destroyed that team, they deserved every inch of the win in all phases of the game. The Pittsburgh Penguins are an NHL team. They aren't great, but they are an NHL team.

Treating the win like the Oilers selected some local bantam team to play is BS and is moving the goal posts
I never said they were a bantam team. Now who is moving the goalposts . Don’t be a jackhole.
 

Drivesaitl

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Going to respectfully disagree with the first sentence.

It can be really easy to get over confident and have lazy/bad habits creep into your game when an opponent is not performing well

Staying disciplined and not losing focus is a skill. We've seen the Mainstays of this roster play down to their weaker opponents dozens of times over the years and get themselves in trouble because of it.

To keep the Penguins down with right execution and not giving them anything for a full 60mins is a sign of maturity that most of us aren't used to yet.

Now let's see if the Oilers can stay even keeled enough to go out n do it again.
Thats a good counterpoint sir!
 
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Stoneman89

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2-9-1 avoided

I think Mike Sullivan is likely the first coach fired.
I don't think he should be, as I believe he's an excellent coach. Pittsburgh is what we thought they were. a team with a bunch of aging former superstars on their decline, supplemented with younger players and other less talented journeymen. I can't see them trading any of the big 4 at any time, but hey, you never know how feelings change once the losing reality sets in.
 

Stoneman89

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Yep. Sidney and Malkin need to retire. Bring Letang and Karlson with them. The single worst opponent performance I've ever witnessed. They should be ashamed really.

Even in the 8-1 Oilers loss to Vancouver it was nothing like this. Felt like much of the game was the Pens trying to feed the Oilers goals. Poor goalie, what could he do? Just stop it from being 8-0 is good.

Pens really have zero pride at this point. Just taking pay cheques.
:laugh: How many games have you ever watched?
 

Stoneman89

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Crosby was good last year. This tonight was an awful performance and not at all isolated. Anytime the mighty Pens go up against McDrai they get annihilated. Usually senior players have a bit more pride than that.

AGain it was the single worst opponent performance I've ever witnessed. Name one game in cap era where we were outshooting a club 34-5. No pride left in that Pens room. Karlson has this torpedo effect on any team hes' involved with. The Pens looked drunk in the first half of the game. They look uncoached or not listening at this point. I stopped counting at around a dozen own zone turnovers in first period.
These comments from the same guy that was trashing Ekholm when he played for Nashville, as they always got walked by McDrai when he played there. Seems like he's a pretty good player regardless.:D For whatever reason, some teams just have other teams numbers.
 

Stoneman89

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Its expected here that Drai gets zero credit. One of the best taken goals you'll see on a stud rush up ice backing up the D. He set up Arvid so many times its silly. One play was a breakaway fed from deep with a long pass and Arvid fumbled it into corner. Clear that Drai was driving a lot last night. I liked that Arvid rose to occasion but the actual pts were the Center ice bumper pass to Drai, A pass back to Booch bomb, and a faceoff win that went back to Ekholm.

Arvid was good so I'll take it. He seemed really activated in the game. Broadcast said he was pumped to get another chance with Drai.

Would like to see how they do against a competent club though. Pens checking and coverage was non existent last night.

One thing is nobody on the line scored but Drai. That has to change eventually. Drai also only one goal off a 50 goal pace but gets the most shade anyway.
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Playing fast and being fast are two different things though. Cory Perry can play fast if he moves the puck quickly and efficiently.
 

iCanada

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I honestly think that Woodcroft told him he's not allowed to fight because he's too important defensively. Frick, was he wrong! We need a Darnell Nurse that drops the gloves and plays aggressively

I think almost every coach we've ever had prior to Knob and Coffey told him that, tbh.

In the defense of like Tippet and MacLellan though, I think for much of that time it was kinda true - you potentially had 5 to 10 minutes of your LD options being Russell and like Niemeleinan. 😂
 
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I think almost every coach we've ever had prior to Knob and Coffey told him that, tbh.

In the defense of like Tippet and MacLellan though, I think for much of that time it was kinda true - you potentially had 5 to 10 minutes of your LD options being Russell and like Niemeleinan. 😂
Haha, he might be better off in the penalty box instead of icing the puck twice every shift.
 

ujju2

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Its expected here that Drai gets zero credit. One of the best taken goals you'll see on a stud rush up ice backing up the D. He set up Arvid so many times its silly. One play was a breakaway fed from deep with a long pass and Arvid fumbled it into corner. Clear that Drai was driving a lot last night. I liked that Arvid rose to occasion but the actual pts were the Center ice bumper pass to Drai, A pass back to Booch bomb, and a faceoff win that went back to Ekholm.

Arvid was good so I'll take it. He seemed really activated in the game. Broadcast said he was pumped to get another chance with Drai.

Would like to see how they do against a competent club though. Pens checking and coverage was non existent last night.

One thing is nobody on the line scored but Drai. That has to change eventually. Drai also only one goal off a 50 goal pace but gets the most shade anyway.
I remember you defending Nuge earlier in the season, and now I'm defending Drai. Funny how we've both come around eh? Glad the Nuge vs Drai stuff is over.
 
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