Post-Game Talk: Big Fish

[romba]

Not that team.

The Devils were one of the most effective teams in the league last year. All that changed is that they stopped getting completely unsustainable goaltending simply because that's what unsustainable means.

I really feel they're going to give us a very hard time when we play them this year. Lots of north-south speed and skill on that team which is our kryptonite, we saw how well that went when we played LV the other game. We can't start a breakout once the puck is controlled below our hashmarks and we end up on our heels chasing in all zones for the entire game.

 

[JohnC]

Ugly win >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pretty loss

But we’re not even losing a crazy amount lol. We’re hovering around a .500 record AND currently in a playoff spot. Unless the wheels completely fall off, I think it’s a fair assumption that the team can and will get better.

If they get worse, then what’re you gonna do? Won’t be the first time a team coming off a really solid season missed the playoffs immediately after and it sure as shit won’t be the last.

 

[Raspewtin]

I don't bother with the GDTs anymore because a significant number of you goofballs just clog it with pissing and whining about muh country club and sawftness and OMG PASSES and hurhurhur but our EXGEE% and I've come to the conclusion you're all just miserable sad sacks that are way too invested in this stupid sport and you really need to go pick up knitting or puzzles or something that doesn't skyrocket your braindead madposting

the playoffs made some of you into absolute degenerates

Ugly win >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pretty loss

holy shit it's not a binary

we won ugly because Shesterkin had a 5 month streak that rivaled Dominik Hasek at his best. it was not going to happen again.

ironically we're playing to win the game much more now. teams that play like we do now win a lot more than they lose (or, at least, have a much better chance of sustaining their play). I can't believe this is so f***ing complicated.

the utter revisionist history is astounding. this team was full of entitled losers all year last year winning in the exact way you're all tearfully reminiscing about in every other thread. now they're playing hockey that works without your goalie needing to be unstoppable and they're now even softer more entitled losers

 

[duhmetreE]

Not that team.

The Devils were one of the most effective teams in the league last year. All that changed is that they stopped getting completely unsustainable goaltending simply because that's what unsustainable means.

no. that's not all that changed. They always had a great offense.

their defensive teamplay looks to be lightyears better, so far.

 

[Machinehead]

no. that's not all that changed. They always had a great offense.

their defensive teamplay looks to be lightyears better, so far.

Goaltending tends to make people think that, yes.

It's the same defense.

 

[duhmetreE]

Goaltending tends to make people think that, yes.

It's the same defense.

no, a massive drop in xGA makes people think that. Defensive metrics in the same realm as the Carolina Hurricanes makes you think that.

Unless I missed the meeting where we revised the past Ruff's Devils into a strong defensive unit.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Goaltending tends to make people think that, yes.

It's the same defense.

They were also a bottom half scoring team last year and this year they are 3rd best. Also they upgraded big time with Marino from Ty Smith

 

[duhmetreE]

They were also a bottom half scoring team last year and this year they are 3rd best. Also they upgraded big time with Marino from Ty Smith

I always had a soft spot for B.Smith after he lost 20lbs.

So much could have been averted if we just re-signed him instead of Nemeth. Perfect vet 6D. Another blemish from Drury imo

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

I always had a soft spot for B.Smith after he lost 20lbs.

So much could have been averted if we just re-signed him instead of Nemeth. Perfect vet 6D. Another blemish from Drury imo

21 lbs*

 

[Machinehead]

no, a massive drop in xGA makes people think that. Defensive metrics in the same realm as the Carolina Hurricanes makes you think that.

Unless I missed the meeting where we revised the past Ruff's Devils into a strong defensive unit.

I didn't revise anything.

You guys aren't gonna believe me anyway, so why tell you the Devils are good when I can just laugh at them losing?

 

[Machinehead]

 

[duhmetreE]

I didn't revise anything.

You guys aren't gonna believe me anyway, so why tell you the Devils are good when I can just laugh at them losing?

I've been a proponent that the Devils would be good down the line and I wish we had their dynamic offense.

 

[Machinehead]

I've been a proponent that the Devils would be good down the line and I wish we had their dynamic offense.

They have a dynamic offense because their entire lineup, save for a few exceptions, are forwards that they developed into massive overachievers.

Must be nice.

 

[rangersfansince08]

They have a dynamic offense because their entire lineup, save for a few exceptions, are forwards that they developed into massive overachievers.

Must be nice.

I think we screwed up our rebuild. We didn;t get a single productive forward from the draft.

 

[Boris Zubov]

I didn't revise anything.

You guys aren't gonna believe me anyway, so why tell you the Devils are good when I can just laugh at them losing?

Seems like everyone forgot when they thumped us badly a few days after the trade deadline & brought us crashing back down to earth. They can skate circles around us...& it sucks to see their young guys so competent, but good for them.

 

[Brother Mouzone]

But we’re not even losing a crazy amount lol. We’re hovering around a .500 record AND currently in a playoff spot. Unless the wheels completely fall off, I think it’s a fair assumption that the team can and will get better.

If they get worse, then what’re you gonna do? Won’t be the first time a team coming off a really solid season missed the playoffs immediately after and it sure as shit won’t be the last.

I agree .

 

[Brother Mouzone]

I don't bother with the GDTs anymore because a significant number of you goofballs just clog it with pissing and whining about muh country club and sawftness and OMG PASSES and hurhurhur but our EXGEE% and I've come to the conclusion you're all just miserable sad sacks that are way too invested in this stupid sport and you really need to go pick up knitting or puzzles or something that doesn't skyrocket your braindead madposting

the playoffs made some of you into absolute degenerates


holy shit it's not a binary

we won ugly because Shesterkin had a 5 month streak that rivaled Dominik Hasek at his best. it was not going to happen again.

ironically we're playing to win the game much more now. teams that play like we do now win a lot more than they lose (or, at least, have a much better chance of sustaining their play). I can't believe this is so f***ing complicated.

the utter revisionist history is astounding. this team was full of entitled losers all year last year winning in the exact way you're all tearfully reminiscing about in every other thread. now they're playing hockey that works without your goalie needing to be unstoppable and they're now even softer more entitled losers

I have no clue why you quoted me or maybe you missed my point or I am missing yours . The point of the GIF is that you play to win the game . I root for the Rangers to win period , IDGAF if they win 6-0 or 1-0 if they look amazing or struggle the point is to get a W and 2 points .

 

[duhmetreE]

Seems like everyone forgot when they thumped us badly a few days after the trade deadline & brought us crashing back down to earth. They can skate circles around us...& it sucks to see their young guys so competent, but good for them.

Maybe Ruff was the brains behind Quinn. Our defensive structure sucked but we were fun at the least.

There was a shift in styles once he left. Devils are always skating and setting up for one-timers in the slot or making themselves available for their teammattes. Someone is always in a high scoring% position. Defense jumps in a lot more, especially in transition, which helps a lot.

Their offense does skate circles on us. I'm still not sold on their defense but I thought the same thing with Colorado. Still in denial that they won the cup.... but this is the new era of hockey, always on the attack and outscoring your opponent. This is the new model. A team like Tampa can find success but you have to be perfect and rely on your elite individual performances. That's where we are. We have to emulate Tampa.

I just want our team to skate. I do not care they are not fast. It's even more reason they should be skating and moving at all times. We're too much 'read/react' instead of just attacking.

 

[bleedblue94]

can't believe you lot found a way to make controlling the play look bad lol

so the thousands of mad posts about how bad they were at 5 on 5 last year were just a dream? this board had this team pinned as lazy entitled assholes pretty much all year until game 5 against Pittsburgh.

these two things arent exclusive. I dont understand why people are trying to make that out in such a way. it is the same thing as defending trochek by saying he is better than strome. sure it is good he is better but that doesnt mean he is your 2c answer. sure you can constantly play games where you control the puck, take meh quality shots or shots without traffic, dont drive the center lane, and then have d breakdowns that end up in your net. it is great to control the puck but winning seems to be more important to me. You can control play AND win games. personally I will take wins over good analytics...

They really do need to diversify their portfolio when it comes to offensive plays. We're watching the same plays or types of attempts over and over.

Bingo, and it makes it easier and easier to defend against as the season gos on and more teams settle into defensive structure, but hey, we are good possession stats from controling the puck along the wall and taking cupcake shots so everything is rosey around here, meanwhile the team has won 9 of the 19 games they have played this year. I have higher expectations than that...

 

[bleedblue94]

Well you've demonstrated that you associate grit with shooting percentage like I said, so thanks for that.

no, stop manipulating my words.

and sorry for the long reply since I know you dont like actually reading posts and prefer the quip replies but...

I have been saying that the lack of people driving the net and going to dirty areas to open lanes and get in the eyes of goalies can affect shooting percentage, and ANYONE who has played hockey beyond 10u knows this is true. lane drives open up space for the puck to get into better shooting areas IF the player with the puck si willing to come into the house, this is why i always thought it was foolish people thought vinny's NS game would help panarin bc even if vinny drove the net panarin would still have to be willing to cut to the middle, which he still isnt doing and it is becoming more and more noticeable now. regardless ANY goalie will tell you that bodies into front, risk of high tips, traffic crashing will affect them on a shot. you can put the same shooter in the same spot on the ice against the same goalie and if traffic and a willingness to get to the net are present then the save (and proper rebound placement) is that much harder then a clear view or soft level save without traffic or net drivers coming into play. if you want to dumb that down into saying that equates to "grit" go for it, but whatever way you want to attempt to discredit that notion it is foolish. you can have a skill team that is still willing to drive the net and be difficult to play against. those things are not exclusive

 

[Machinehead]

no, stop manipulating my words.

and sorry for the long reply since I know you dont like actually reading posts and prefer the quip replies but...

I have been saying that the lack of people driving the net and going to dirty areas to open lanes and get in the eyes of goalies can affect shooting percentage, and ANYONE who has played hockey beyond 10u knows this is true. lane drives open up space for the puck to get into better shooting areas IF the player with the puck si willing to come into the house, this is why i always thought it was foolish people thought vinny's NS game would help panarin bc even if vinny drove the net panarin would still have to be willing to cut to the middle, which he still isnt doing and it is becoming more and more noticeable now. regardless ANY goalie will tell you that bodies into front, risk of high tips, traffic crashing will affect them on a shot. you can put the same shooter in the same spot on the ice against the same goalie and if traffic and a willingness to get to the net are present then the save (and proper rebound placement) is that much harder then a clear view or soft level save without traffic or net drivers coming into play. if you want to dumb that down into saying that equates to "grit" go for it, but whatever way you want to attempt to discredit that notion it is foolish. you can have a skill team that is still willing to drive the net and be difficult to play against. those things are not exclusive

I certainly agree on Panarin but he played that way last year.

You're implying that the shooting percentage was better last year because they were driving to the net but we heard the same complaints last year that they never drive to the net.

I don't see the changes in willingness to go into traffic that you do. The players that do still do. The players that don't still don't.

It's been demonstrated many times over that shooting percentage can fluctuate for no reason. They hit like five posts against SJ. That doesn't happen because guys are in lanes or not.

 

[Kravtsov420]

#rehire Jacque Martin
#bring back Jeff Woywitka
#bring back Rob O’Gara

I certainly agree on Panarin but he played that way last year.

You're implying that the shooting percentage was better last year because they were driving to the net but we heard the same complaints last year that they never drive to the net.

I don't see the changes in willingness to go into traffic that you do. The players that do still do. The players that don't still don't.

It's been demonstrated many times over that shooting percentage can fluctuate for no reason. They hit like five posts against SJ. That doesn't happen because guys are in lanes or not.

Forgive me if I’m wrong cause it’s been awhile since I took statistics, but don’t qualitative as well as quantitative variables exist? Like isn’t that a direct nod to not just looking at just numbers or eye test?

 

[AlaBlueShirt]

Maybe Ruff was the brains behind Quinn. Our defensive structure sucked but we were fun at the least.

There was a shift in styles once he left. Devils are always skating and setting up for one-timers in the slot or making themselves available for their teammattes. Someone is always in a high scoring% position. Defense jumps in a lot more, especially in transition, which helps a lot.

Their offense does skate circles on us. I'm still not sold on their defense but I thought the same thing with Colorado. Still in denial that they won the cup.... but this is the new era of hockey, always on the attack and outscoring your opponent. This is the new model. A team like Tampa can find success but you have to be perfect and rely on your elite individual performances. That's where we are. We have to emulate Tampa.

I just want our team to skate. I do not care they are not fast. It's even more reason they should be skating and moving at all times. We're too much 'read/react' instead of just attacking.

I see it as that Brunette came in and did some of his magic to that offense.



And his is Brunettes 's resume since 2015:

 

[bleedblue94]

I certainly agree on Panarin but he played that way last year.

You're implying that the shooting percentage was better last year because they were driving to the net but we heard the same complaints last year that they never drive to the net.

I don't see the changes in willingness to go into traffic that you do. The players that do still do. The players that don't still don't.

It's been demonstrated many times over that shooting percentage can fluctuate for no reason. They hit like five posts against SJ. That doesn't happen because guys are in lanes or not.

you were one of the people arguing with me about panarin this summer when i kept saying this is the player he is now, a guy that wont go to the house with any regularity who lives on the perimeter and relies on his superior vision to find lanes but who also will now force plays because other teams are closing those lanes knowing he wont drive the net at all.

i never said shooting percetage was better last year bc we drove the net. why is your thinking always this versus that: strome vs trocheck, this year vs last year. I am saying in GENERAL teams that drive the net are harder to play against and cause more chaos for a goalie to handle the save and subsequent rebound placement. That will NEVER show up in an analytic stat, and my point is just bc our CF% looks great and we are getting shots doesn't mean they are hard shots for the goalie or the opposition. Everyone knows what this team is going to do, half of hockey is establishing an elesiveness, deception, or chaos to prevent to opposition from just neutering your attack.

Kreider isnt going to those areas, people loved to kill vatrano but he did it all the time and has been replaced with kravtsov's ghost or whoever else they play out of position. Strome was terrible at it but he would go to the net on plays where as vinny appears to now want to stay higher up for skill plays. laffy is completely lost and isnt driving the net like he did before. not to mention the other replacement level player downgrades we have on the 4th line now or in reaves' case a player slipping further with age.

a deflection sure could happen if they were in the lane. a rebound goal off a post could happen if guys are driving to the net anticipating rebounds instead of standing still and waiting to see if a rebound pops out. it is all relative...

 

[Machinehead]

Forgive me if I’m wrong cause it’s been awhile since I took statistics, but don’t qualitative as well as quantitative variables exist? Like isn’t that a direct nod to not just looking at just numbers or eye test?

Of course there are variables and there's a certain range in which the team's play can raise or lower shooting percentage. Outside of that range, it's widely considered a luck stat. We're shooting well below that range.

And you have to keep in mind that 19 games is a tiny, tiny sample which is very prone to luck results.