Blue Jays Discussion: Beyond the Braves.

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theaub

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Aaron Loup is not what I want out of my high leverage LOOGY

Although Aaron Loup may also be the unluckiest reliever I've ever seen.
 

zeke

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Loup career: 244.1ip, 3.17era, 3.45fip, 3.51xfip, 3.06siera
last 2 cal yrs: 56.1ip, 3.67era, 3.71fip, 3.45xfip, 2.92siera


He is a good solid reliever. Don't be overinfluenced by hot or cold 50ip stretches.
 

theaub

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Loup career: 244.1ip, 3.17era, 3.45fip, 3.51xfip, 3.06siera
last 2 cal yrs: 56.1ip, 3.67era, 3.71fip, 3.45xfip, 2.92siera


He is a good solid reliever. Don't be overinfluenced by hot or cold 50ip stretches.

I don't know, I'd prefer my #1 lefty reliever to not have a <1 SD:MD ratio over the past three years (or a 1.3 career ratio).

Not to mention he's allowed a .262/.350/.374 to lefties since the start of 2015. He's an adequate second lefty out of the bullpen, not a guy I want facing anyone in high leverage situations.

I'm assuming JP Howell is dead until I see otherwise, ergo, time to put him out to pasture and get an actual LOOGY. Too bad since although the warning signs were there last year, 2013-2015 Howell is exactly what I'd want as my #1 lefty.

e: the problem with the AL this year is there's too many trash teams still close to contention. I'd love to get Justin Wilson from Detroit, but considering they'll probably be in the WC2 race if they just hover around .500 for the next couple months who knows. I'm not a huge fan of buying one year good reliever guys (because they always just crash to the norm real fast, ie Mark Lowe) but I'd take a ride on the Mike Minor reclamation train I guess.
 
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phillipmike

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Loup career: 244.1ip, 3.17era, 3.45fip, 3.51xfip, 3.06siera
last 2 cal yrs: 56.1ip, 3.67era, 3.71fip, 3.45xfip, 2.92siera


He is a good solid reliever. Don't be overinfluenced by hot or cold 50ip stretches.

And to touch on this;

Loup vs Hand against lefties in 2017:
http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.as...eam=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=9111,10343

Loup vs Hand against lefties from 2016-17:
http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.as...eam=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=9111,10343

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Hand is much better at getting righties out but we might have 2-3 pitchers in the pen already as good as Hand getting righties out so he may not have the same value. So i think it would cost a lot to get a guy like Hand when you have someone filling that LOOGY position fine as it stands. Just hoping Howell can p

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.as...21,9111,10343,13764,3281,10291,8245&sort=19,d

Plus he would be an NL Central pitcher coming to an AL East team. Might not be a seemless transition. I like Hand, just wouldnt like the price he would likely garner.
 

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Should be an interesting weekend series with the Yankees. The office here in Panama is full of Yankee fans (partially because of Mariano Rivera, partially because the Yankee brand travels through LATAM pretty well).

Aaron Hicks and Starlin Castro have turned back into pumpkins over the last two weeks, which quite frankly, was overdue. I'm not a huge buyer of either Judge nor Sanchez. They were both good, not great, in the upper minors, yet both came up like houses on fire. Both will get themselves out with strikeouts if you let them. Hopefully the advanced scouting have done their jobs.

As far as the pitching goes, Pineda and Severino are their two best starters, with the former being the pain in the butt for the Jays. I don't care about whatever voodoo Severino has found this year, the Blue Jays as a team hit .348 off of him.
 

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What are the chances we see both these kids in the big leagues at such a young age? As in, next season... I know I know, it's probably way too early. But talents of that calibre deserve a shot. Wouldn't hurt their development to at least see what they can do... or am I wrong?
 

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I'm assuming JP Howell is dead until I see otherwise, ergo, time to put him out to pasture and get an actual LOOGY. Too bad since although the warning signs were there last year, 2013-2015 Howell is exactly what I'd want as my #1 lefty.

Howell has been absolutely horrible and his struggles are disconcerting, but that's a huge overreaction at this point.

There are two months until the trade deadline, the Jays bullpen has been dominating left-handed hitters, and Howell has thrown just 6.2 innings this year and has spent most of the season recovering from an injury. If the perfect opportunity happens to materialize, then sure... but there's no reason at all to bail on Howell this early. Let the other 5-6 guys keep getting the high leverage spots against lefties since they've been dominant in those situation so far, and let Howell have the low leverage spots to see if he can turn things around. If he gets more chances and doesn't show signs of turning it around, then look at making your move.
 

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Vladdy and Bichette <3

What are the chances we see both these kids in the big leagues at such a young age? As in, next season... I know I know, it's probably way too early. But talents of that calibre deserve a shot. Wouldn't hurt their development to at least see what they can do... or am I wrong?

Mike Trout, the best player of this generation, needed 380 Single-A plate appearance, 230 plate appearances in Advanced A, and 400 plate appearances in Double-A.

The most aggressive scenario places them in the majors at some point in 2019, and that's if they rake at Advanced A and AA.

And yes, it would most certainly hurt their development to be up before getting those plate appearances. Couple that with the fact that neither of them has a defined position as of yet, and that should really push it back to 2020.
 

zeke

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Should be an interesting weekend series with the Yankees. The office here in Panama is full of Yankee fans (partially because of Mariano Rivera, partially because the Yankee brand travels through LATAM pretty well).

Aaron Hicks and Starlin Castro have turned back into pumpkins over the last two weeks, which quite frankly, was overdue. I'm not a huge buyer of either Judge nor Sanchez. They were both good, not great, in the upper minors, yet both came up like houses on fire. Both will get themselves out with strikeouts if you let them. Hopefully the advanced scouting have done their jobs.

As far as the pitching goes, Pineda and Severino are their two best starters, with the former being the pain in the butt for the Jays. I don't care about whatever voodoo Severino has found this year, the Blue Jays as a team hit .348 off of him.

yup, yup, and yup. the whole team was way above sustainable. they're not near this good, and not better than the Jays.

and i'd even say Pineda is unlikely to keep matching his peripherals this year, since he never has before.
 

zeke

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Vladdy and Bichette <3

What are the chances we see both these kids in the big leagues at such a young age? As in, next season... I know I know, it's probably way too early. But talents of that calibre deserve a shot. Wouldn't hurt their development to at least see what they can do... or am I wrong?

they'll both get a look next september if they keep hitting.
 

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I don't know if I posted this here or elsewhere, but it's worth repeating:

Fangraphs has minor league data back to 2006. Since then, only three 18-year-olds have had 150 plate appearances and a wRC+ of at least 150 in A-ball: Mike Trout, Bryce Harper, and Giancarlo Stanton. Vlad Jr. is at 166.
 

zeke

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So 2 months in, time for a legit early look at the team this year.

Start with individual stats. Note: my WAR pace number is the average of fwar/ra9war for pitchers, and the average of fwar/bwar for hitters.



2B Travis (26): 186pa, 3.8b%/19.4k%, .301bip/.261avg, .188iso, 95wrc+, 2.8war/650pa
RF Bautista (36): 229pa, 13.5b%/23.1k%, .290bip/.251avg, .204iso, 121wrc+, 2.3war/650pa
3B Donaldson (31): 52pa, 13.5b%/28.8k%, .370bip/.289avg, .267iso, 153wrc+, 6.9war/650pa
DH Morales (34): 202pa, 7.4b%/16.8k%, .268bip/.259avg, .216iso, 110wrc+, 0.6war/650pa
SS Tulowitzki (32): 78pa, 6.4b%/9.0k%, .254bip/.254avg, .141iso, 84wrc+, 1.7war/650pa
C Martin (34): 137pa, 16.1b%/27.0k%, .319bip/.243avg, .162iso, 122wrc+, 4.0war/650pa
1B Smoak (30): 189pa, 9.5b%/17.5k%, .278bip/.276avg, .265slg, 135wrc+, 3.4war/650pa
CF Pillar (28): 227pa, 6.6b%/13.7k%, .296bip/.277avg, .175iso, 111wrc+, 2.9war/650pa
LF Carrera (30): 156pa, 7.1b%/19.2k%, .349bip/.289avg, .092iso, 96wrc+, 0.4war/650pa

UT Coghlan (32): 79pa, 10.1b%/26.6k%, .298bip/.221avg, .074iso, 70wrc+, -2.9war/650pa
OF Pearce (34): 90pa, 5.6b%/26.7k%, .232bip/.205avg, .169iso, 65wrc+, -3.3war/650pa
IF Barney (31): 111pa, 3.6b%/19.8k%, .301bip/.245avg, .066iso, 55wrc+, -0.6war/650pa
IF Goins (29): 138pa, 8.7b%/17.4k%, .240bip/.220avg, .138iso, 73wrc+, -0.7war/650pa
C Maile (26): 60pa, 5.0b%/16.7k%, .045bip/.073avg, .109iso, -23wrc+, -2.7war/650pa

OF Ceciliani (27): 5pa, 0.0b%/0.0k%, .250bip/.400avg, .800iso, 325wrc+, 26.0war/650pa
OF Smith (24): 5pa, 20.0b%/40.0k%, .500bip/.250avg, .250iso, 144wrc+, 13.0war/650pa
OF Alford (22): 8pa, 0.0b%/37.5k%, .200bip/.125avg, .125iso, -15wrc+, 0.0war/650pa
C Ohlman (26): 9pa, 0.0b%/33.3k%, .333bip/.250avg, .000iso, 13wrc+, -3.6war/650pa
C Salty (32): 26pa, 3.8b%/61.5k%, .111bip/.040avg, .000iso, -80wrc+, -15.0war/650pa



RH Estrada (33): 11gs, 6.2ip/gs, 27.9k%/6.1b%, 75era-, 76fip-, 87xfip-, 5.2war/32gs
RH Stroman (26): 11gs, 6.2ip/gs, 19.9k%/6.7b%, 78era-, 86fip-, 81xfip-, 4.4war/32gs
RH Sanchez (24): 5gs, 4.9ip/gs, 17.5k%/8.7b%, 79era-, 116fip-, 114xfip-, 2.6war/32gs
LH Happ (34): 4gs, 5.0ip/gs, 26.4k%/3.5b%, 107era-, 120fip-, 69xfip-, 1.2war/32gs
LH Liriano (33): 7gs, 4.1ip/gs, 21.6k%/16.6b%, 151era-, 116fip-, 120xfip-, -0.2war/32gs
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RH Biagini (27): 5gs, 4.7ip/gs, 20.2k%/6.1b%, 91era-, 75fip-, 79xfip-, 2.6war/32gs
RH Bolsinger (29): 5gs, 5.1ip/gs, 17.1k%/15.5b%, 133era-, 129fip-, 135xfip-, -0.3war/32gs
RH Latos (29): 3gs, 5.0ip/gs, 14.3k%/11.4b%, 156era-, 185fip-, 141xfip-, -2.1war/32gs
RH Lawrence (29): 2gs, 5.7ip/gs, 8.6k%/10.3b%, 188era-, 142fip-, 129xfip-, -3.2war/32gs



RH Osuna (22): 22gms, 20.2ip, 31.3k%/2.5b%, 72era-, 50fip-, 61xfip-, 2.1war/65ip
RH Biagini (27): 14gms, 18.2ip, 23.9k%/4.2b%, 80era-, 63fip-, 72xfip-, 1.9war/65ip
RH Smith (33): 28gms, 25.2ip, 37.9k%/6.8b%, 75era-, 45fip-, 49xfip-, 1.8war/65ip
RH Barnes (27): 16gms, 21.1ip, 30.6k%/7.1b%, 60era-, 77fip-, 78xfip-, 1.5war/65ip
RH Tepera (29): 23gms, 30.1ip, 26.3k%/10.2b%, 70era-, 70fip-, 102xfip-, 1.4war/65ip
LH Loup (29): 24gms, 19.2ip, 24.4k%/10.0b%, 54era-, 81fip-, 102xfip-, 1.0war/65ip
RH Grilli (40): 21gms, 17.0ip, 25.3k%/11.4b%, 151era-, 144fip-, 107xfip-, -1.3war/65ip
LH Howell (34): 11gms, 6.2ip, 5.7k%/20.0b%, 160era-, 178fip-, 171xfip-, -2.4war/65ip
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RH Leone (25): 21gms, 24.2ip, 24.3k%/9.7b%, 95era-, 89fip-, 111xfip-, 0.4war/65ip
RH Campos (29): 4gms, 5.0ip, 23.8k%/9.5b%, 85era-, 128fip-, 133xfip-, 0.0war/65ip
RH Valdez (32): 1gms, 1.0ip, 0.0k%/25.0b%, 0era-, 142fip-, 268xfip-, 0.0war/65ip
RH Lawrence (29): 2gms, 2.0ip, 14.3k%/35.7b%, 320era-, 202fip-, 225xfip-, -4.9war/65ip
LH Dermody (26): 1gms, 0.1ip, 0.0k%/16.7b%, 3198era-, 3080fip-, 909xfip- , -39.4war/65ip
 

zeke

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I don't know if I posted this here or elsewhere, but it's worth repeating:

Fangraphs has minor league data back to 2006. Since then, only three 18-year-olds have had 150 plate appearances and a wRC+ of at least 150 in A-ball: Mike Trout, Bryce Harper, and Giancarlo Stanton. Vlad Jr. is at 166.

and those three were all 4-8 months older then than Vladdy is now.
 

Discoverer

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and those three were all 4-8 months older then than Vladdy is now.

I'm not sure that makes much difference since Guerrero actually has way more professional experience prior to his age-18 season than the others.
 

zeke

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2B Travis (26): 186pa, 3.8b%/19.4k%, .301bip/.261avg, .188iso, 95wrc+, 2.8war/650pa
RF Bautista (36): 229pa, 13.5b%/23.1k%, .290bip/.251avg, .204iso, 121wrc+, 2.3war/650pa
3B Donaldson (31): 52pa, 13.5b%/28.8k%, .370bip/.289avg, .267iso, 153wrc+, 6.9war/650pa
DH Morales (34): 202pa, 7.4b%/16.8k%, .268bip/.259avg, .216iso, 110wrc+, 0.6war/650pa
SS Tulowitzki (32): 78pa, 6.4b%/9.0k%, .254bip/.254avg, .141iso, 84wrc+, 1.7war/650pa
C Martin (34): 137pa, 16.1b%/27.0k%, .319bip/.243avg, .162iso, 122wrc+, 4.0war/650pa
1B Smoak (30): 189pa, 9.5b%/17.5k%, .278bip/.276avg, .265slg, 135wrc+, 3.4war/650pa
CF Pillar (28): 227pa, 6.6b%/13.7k%, .296bip/.277avg, .175iso, 111wrc+, 2.9war/650pa
LF Carrera (30): 156pa, 7.1b%/19.2k%, .349bip/.289avg, .092iso, 96wrc+, 0.4war/650pa

travis/tulo below expectations, Pillar/Smoak above. Injuries obviously hurt a ton.


UT Coghlan (32): 79pa, 10.1b%/26.6k%, .298bip/.221avg, .074iso, 70wrc+, -2.9war/650pa
OF Pearce (34): 90pa, 5.6b%/26.7k%, .232bip/.205avg, .169iso, 65wrc+, -3.3war/650pa
IF Barney (31): 111pa, 3.6b%/19.8k%, .301bip/.245avg, .066iso, 55wrc+, -0.6war/650pa
IF Goins (29): 138pa, 8.7b%/17.4k%, .240bip/.220avg, .138iso, 73wrc+, -0.7war/650pa
C Maile (26): 60pa, 5.0b%/16.7k%, .045bip/.073avg, .109iso, -23wrc+, -2.7war/650pa

er....yikes.

OF Ceciliani (27): 5pa, 0.0b%/0.0k%, .250bip/.400avg, .800iso, 325wrc+, 26.0war/650pa
OF Smith (24): 5pa, 20.0b%/40.0k%, .500bip/.250avg, .250iso, 144wrc+, 13.0war/650pa
OF Alford (22): 8pa, 0.0b%/37.5k%, .200bip/.125avg, .125iso, -15wrc+, 0.0war/650pa
C Ohlman (26): 9pa, 0.0b%/33.3k%, .333bip/.250avg, .000iso, 13wrc+, -3.6war/650pa
C Salty (32): 26pa, 3.8b%/61.5k%, .111bip/.040avg, .000iso, -80wrc+, -15.0war/650pa

nice to see some contributions here.



RH Estrada (33): 11gs, 6.2ip/gs, 27.9k%/6.1b%, 75era-, 76fip-, 87xfip-, 5.2war/32gs
RH Stroman (26): 11gs, 6.2ip/gs, 19.9k%/6.7b%, 78era-, 86fip-, 81xfip-, 4.4war/32gs
RH Sanchez (24): 5gs, 4.9ip/gs, 17.5k%/8.7b%, 79era-, 116fip-, 114xfip-, 2.6war/32gs
LH Happ (34): 4gs, 5.0ip/gs, 26.4k%/3.5b%, 107era-, 120fip-, 69xfip-, 1.2war/32gs
LH Liriano (33): 7gs, 4.1ip/gs, 21.6k%/16.6b%, 151era-, 116fip-, 120xfip-, -0.2war/32gs
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RH Biagini (27): 5gs, 4.7ip/gs, 20.2k%/6.1b%, 91era-, 75fip-, 79xfip-, 2.6war/32gs
RH Bolsinger (29): 5gs, 5.1ip/gs, 17.1k%/15.5b%, 133era-, 129fip-, 135xfip-, -0.3war/32gs
RH Latos (29): 3gs, 5.0ip/gs, 14.3k%/11.4b%, 156era-, 185fip-, 141xfip-, -2.1war/32gs
RH Lawrence (29): 2gs, 5.7ip/gs, 8.6k%/10.3b%, 188era-, 142fip-, 129xfip-, -3.2war/32gs

Injury massacre here, and the injured guys weren't very good even when they played (thru injury, i guess). Latos/Lawrence were trash (still don't know why they were first dibs), Bolsinger was replacement level, but Biagini making a case for himself to legit slide into the rotation if the others can't stay healthy or effective. Has a legit chance to outpitch Liriano period.



RH Osuna (22): 22gms, 20.2ip, 31.3k%/2.5b%, 72era-, 50fip-, 61xfip-, 2.1war/65ip
RH Biagini (27): 14gms, 18.2ip, 23.9k%/4.2b%, 80era-, 63fip-, 72xfip-, 1.9war/65ip
RH Smith (33): 28gms, 25.2ip, 37.9k%/6.8b%, 75era-, 45fip-, 49xfip-, 1.8war/65ip
RH Barnes (27): 16gms, 21.1ip, 30.6k%/7.1b%, 60era-, 77fip-, 78xfip-, 1.5war/65ip
RH Tepera (29): 23gms, 30.1ip, 26.3k%/10.2b%, 70era-, 70fip-, 102xfip-, 1.4war/65ip
LH Loup (29): 24gms, 19.2ip, 24.4k%/10.0b%, 54era-, 81fip-, 102xfip-, 1.0war/65ip
RH Grilli (40): 21gms, 17.0ip, 25.3k%/11.4b%, 151era-, 144fip-, 107xfip-, -1.3war/65ip
LH Howell (34): 11gms, 6.2ip, 5.7k%/20.0b%, 160era-, 178fip-, 171xfip-, -2.4war/65ip
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RH Leone (25): 21gms, 24.2ip, 24.3k%/9.7b%, 95era-, 89fip-, 111xfip-, 0.4war/65ip
RH Campos (29): 4gms, 5.0ip, 23.8k%/9.5b%, 85era-, 128fip-, 133xfip-, 0.0war/65ip
RH Valdez (32): 1gms, 1.0ip, 0.0k%/25.0b%, 0era-, 142fip-, 268xfip-, 0.0war/65ip
RH Lawrence (29): 2gms, 2.0ip, 14.3k%/35.7b%, 320era-, 202fip-, 225xfip-, -4.9war/65ip
LH Dermody (26): 1gms, 0.1ip, 0.0k%/16.7b%, 3198era-, 3080fip-, 909xfip- , -39.4war/65ip


really quite excellent. Even with the Grilli/Howell implosions and losing the 2nd best RP to the rotation, the bullpen has still been great. And for the most part they look like sustainable performances from guys with legit mlb calibre arms.
 

zeke

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Team Hitters Stats (w/o Pitchers)

8.3bb% (12th AL, 24th MLB) - not near good enough.
20.2k% (5th AL, 14th MLB) - ok, but not as good as usual.

Injuries have played a part here, but the offseason changes probably meant we were taking a hit here. Not sure we can get back up to elite in bb/K categories anymore.

.280babip (12th AL, 22nd MLB) - should expect some positive regression here.
.247avg (9th AL, 19th MLB) - should end up around average.
.315obp (9th AL, 21st MLB) - same

again, not sure we can expect elite here anymore, but Donaldson and Tulo staying healthy should improve this a good bit.

.169iso (7th AL, 15th MLB)

Here I think we can definitely see a big jump. This team still has plenty of power.

-15.2dwar (14th AL, 28th MLB)

Now this here may be a real issue. Out defense has been bad. It hasn't helped that Donaldson and Tulo have been out and Goins has stunk out there, of course, but there's a bigger problem of roster construction here - here's the worst culprits defensively:

1.Morales -5.0 (-15.3/150)
2.Smoak -4.5 (-13.0/150)
3.Pearce -3.9 (-21.7/150)
4.Carrera -3.0 (-10.0/150)
5.Coghlan -2.6 (-12.2/150)
6.Bautista -2.2 (-6.2/150)
7.Goins -1.8 (-6.1/150)

Not much we can do about the 1B/Dh slots at this point. And we have to live with Bautista in RF as a result.

Donaldson should help alleviate most of the goins/coghlan defensive issues. The only solution the LF defensive issues, though, would be Pompey or Alford taking the job.

It's interesting because adding Pompey and Alford to the OF would make it maybe the best defensive OF in baseball.....and adding them to the starting OF - even this year - isn't that ludicrous.

This would be one of the best defensive teams in baseball overall, really:

CF Pillar
RF Alford
LF Pompey
3B Donaldson
SS Tulowitzki
2B Travis
1B Bautista
C Martin
 

zeke

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Starting Pitchers' Stats

5.4ip/gs (14th AL, 25th MLB)

yeah that's not good. Of course, the injuries have crushed us here. The replacements haven't been able to get to 5ip regularly.

21.0k% (6th AL, 12th MLB)
8.9b% (11th AL, 22nd MLB)

actually not bad overall considering the injuries.

101era- (7th AL, 13th MLB)
102fip- (8th AL, 17th MLB)
98xfip- (6th AL, 14th MLB)
3.1fwar (9th AL, 18th MLB)
4.2ra9war (6th AL, 11th MLB)

Actually pretty amazing that they have been average here with all the injuries. This is still a great rotation when healthy.
 

zeke

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Relief Pitchers

193.0ip (1st AL, 4th MLB)

A ton of innings needed from the bullpen so far, making the rest of their numbers more impressive than they look at first glance.

26.5k% (6th AL, 7th MLB)
9.2bb% (8th AL, 14th MLB)

Not bad.

91era- (7th AL, 13th MLB)
87fip- (6th AL, 9th MLB)
93xfip- (7th AL, 11th MLB)

1.16wpa (6th AL, 13th MLB)
1.18wpa/LI (5th AL, 9th MLB)

2.8fwar (4th AL, 6th MLB)
2.4ra9war (6th AL, 10th MLB)

Basically they 've put up slightly above average numbers despite very heavy usage, making them one of the better bullpens in baseball overall so far.
 

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I don't doubt it given what the raw numbers looked like for those guys, but... is there somewhere older wRC+ data is available that I don't know about?

No sir. I have a spreadsheet that uses the date available from thebaseballcube that kicks out wOBA and wRC+ using neutral park factors and neutral league based data. Made it a few years ago when I had a little more free time.

Rough rule of thumb though, if you're looking for the .400 wOBA / 150 wRC+ line, you're safe if you're in .915 OPS \ .225 ISO territory usually.
 
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