Bettman visiting Winnipeg to meet with corporate sponsors, host a fireside chat with fans amid declining season ticket sales

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jetsmooseice

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From we need more support from corporate a year ago...to we never lost money.


Only lost money on hockey operations. Overall operations, they're fine. Better ticket sales needed for the ability to spend and keep the team competitive.

That is probably the best article I've read in terms of shining a light on the state of TNSE's business, and the insight is coming straight from the horse's mouth.

The bottom line is that the team turns a profit every year, the owners are reinvesting the profits into the arena and surrounding area and the franchise's value is appreciating rapidly. The situation is healthy to say the least.
 

Lions67

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Our attendance issues were/ are a product of our own zest to purchase season tickets when the team arrived. Everyone and their dog was around their pc’s waiting to hit the purchase button. Sold all 13,000 plus tickets in 11 minutes and then had a decade long wait list.
That sounds awesome yes?
The problem turned out that all those tickets were bought by “ Joe Fan”. Business never had the chance.
Now the wait list has dried up and we see that we need businesses to step up and take those 4K tickets now.
The Jets are fine this will be rectified
 

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True North deal to revitalize downtown Winnipeg deal done!

Here is the link from Global News Winnipeg:


The Jets are secure for the very very long term. This agreement settles it. At least it should…

More meat on this bone from CBC News

 

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If the arena continues to be half empty and tv ratings keep steadily declining it won’t matter what’s around the arena. It’s time for Jets fans to put up or shut up. Honeymoon period is long over.
 
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Maybe I am a bit thick, but I don't see how this helps the Jets in any way.
I’m assuming the thought is more traffic should equal more fans wanting to attend a game in person?

If the arena continues to be half empty and tv ratings keep steadily declining it won’t matter what’s around the arena. It’s time for Jets fans to put up or shut up. Honeymoon period is long over.
The Jets are in dire need of a deep playoff run.
 

GKJ

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Maybe I am a bit thick, but I don't see how this helps the Jets in any way.
It’s another real estate play, like all the other downtown projects around an arena. Though, can’t recall off-hand a medical campus being a major part of any others.
 

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Maybe I am a bit thick, but I don't see how this helps the Jets in any way.

Ownership isn't going to throw in the towel on the team, since it's the main attraction/centerpiece of the development area. Without the Jets and their 41 home games a year, the area would be less attractive for people.
 

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I’m assuming the thought is more traffic should equal more fans wanting to attend a game in person?


The Jets are in dire need of a deep playoff run.
Why does anyplace in Canada require that? All we keep hearing about is these great Canadian markets would sell out in a minute & that every non-traditional US market has to give up their teams to accommodate that.
 
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Why does anyplace in Canada require that? All we keep hearing about is these great Canadian markets would sell out in a minute & that every non-traditional US market has to give up their teams to accommodate that.
It’s not 1997 anymore.
 

Takuto Maruki

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Why does anyplace in Canada require that? All we keep hearing about is these great Canadian markets would sell out in a minute & that every non-traditional US market has to give up their teams to accommodate that.
I know your entire schtick is basically being a contrarian shithead WRT Canadian markets, and damn any evidence otherwise, but for the have nots of Canadian markets (meaning Winnipeg, Ottawa though for how long that applies remains to be seen with new ownership) there's only so many dollars you can squeeze out of the region before you start to hit a hard ceiling in terms of profit, and the Jets have hit that point long ago. Considering how the Jets took on a large group of season ticket holders when the team came into fruition, and proceeded to ride that group of people through the honeymoon period with little benefits or care given to STH's, their feeling was that they could effectively guilt trip people into buying in without anything else added on because people were afraid of losing the Jets for a second time.

Well, now that the Jets are in a weird minus zone of being good enough to make the playoffs, but not good enough to make deep runs, that's coming back to bite them in the ass. That the Bombers have been consistently good before COVID, and still are even now, means that more people are willing to spend the big money towards Bombers season tickets, or even stuff like the Goldeyes or Sea Bears. For the longest time the Jets were effectively the only game in town even with the Bombers, but now? There's a larger slice of the pie with regards to sports not only in Winnipeg, but also southern Manitoba in general, winter and summer. Jets management realized too late that they need to offer more towards STH's, and more importantly, treat them better.

Though, can’t recall off-hand a medical campus being a major part of any others.
Considering the fact that downtown Winnipeg is the domain of corporate Manitoba Hydro and MTS employees even before COVID, there's a need to get people into the downtown core now that a lot of work is remote, and most people who come into Winnipeg are realistically going to spend it in Polo Park, St. Vital, or anywhere else on the outer ring of the city. And taking into account that there's a lot of people coming into Winnipeg from First Nation reserves and the far north for medical reasons, that part of it makes sense.

To loop it to the Jets though, I have serious doubts that this ultimately drives much towards the Jets considering the people who are apart of this specific project TNSE are wrapped up in aren't the same people who would go to Jets games. If anything, it raises serious questions as to how much of TNSE owning the downtown core of Winnipeg is enough before people start wondering aloud why.
 

GKJ

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I know your entire schtick is basically being a contrarian shithead WRT Canadian markets, and damn any evidence otherwise, but for the have nots of Canadian markets (meaning Winnipeg, Ottawa though for how long that applies remains to be seen with new ownership) there's only so many dollars you can squeeze out of the region before you start to hit a hard ceiling in terms of profit, and the Jets have hit that point long ago. Considering how the Jets took on a large group of season ticket holders when the team came into fruition, and proceeded to ride that group of people through the honeymoon period with little benefits or care given to STH's, their feeling was that they could effectively guilt trip people into buying in without anything else added on because people were afraid of losing the Jets for a second time.

Well, now that the Jets are in a weird minus zone of being good enough to make the playoffs, but not good enough to make deep runs, that's coming back to bite them in the ass. That the Bombers have been consistently good before COVID, and still are even now, means that more people are willing to spend the big money towards Bombers season tickets, or even stuff like the Goldeyes or Sea Bears. For the longest time the Jets were effectively the only game in town even with the Bombers, but now? There's a larger slice of the pie with regards to sports not only in Winnipeg, but also southern Manitoba in general, winter and summer. Jets management realized too late that they need to offer more towards STH's, and more importantly, treat them better.


Considering the fact that downtown Winnipeg is the domain of corporate Manitoba Hydro and MTS employees even before COVID, there's a need to get people into the downtown core now that a lot of work is remote, and most people who come into Winnipeg are realistically going to spend it in Polo Park, St. Vital, or anywhere else on the outer ring of the city. And taking into account that there's a lot of people coming into Winnipeg from First Nation reserves and the far north for medical reasons, that part of it makes sense.

To loop it to the Jets though, I have serious doubts that this ultimately drives much towards the Jets considering the people who are apart of this specific project TNSE are wrapped up in aren't the same people who would go to Jets games. If anything, it raises serious questions as to how much of TNSE owning the downtown core of Winnipeg is enough before people start wondering aloud why.
Reading the piece, I don’t know if the terminology may be different simply because it’s Canadian, but this is for surgery, it’s for primary care, they’re talking ‘healthcare services’, where I’m from they put all of this in one building and call it a hospital. If this were in Philly, it would be like having an arena at UPenn.

That’s to say nothing of the grocery stores, child care, restaurants, and residential housing among others. It’s a 15-minute city.

Does it drive traffic into the arena? I don’t know. But if they own all the land and get paid by the developers to lease it, and get paid by the city to do it, they’ll be owning the team for fun.
 

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I know your entire schtick is basically being a contrarian shithead WRT Canadian markets, and damn any evidence otherwise, but for the have nots of Canadian markets (meaning Winnipeg, Ottawa though for how long that applies remains to be seen with new ownership) there's only so many dollars you can squeeze out of the region before you start to hit a hard ceiling in terms of profit, and the Jets have hit that point long ago. Considering how the Jets took on a large group of season ticket holders when the team came into fruition, and proceeded to ride that group of people through the honeymoon period with little benefits or care given to STH's, their feeling was that they could effectively guilt trip people into buying in without anything else added on because people were afraid of losing the Jets for a second time.

Well, now that the Jets are in a weird minus zone of being good enough to make the playoffs, but not good enough to make deep runs, that's coming back to bite them in the ass. That the Bombers have been consistently good before COVID, and still are even now, means that more people are willing to spend the big money towards Bombers season tickets, or even stuff like the Goldeyes or Sea Bears. For the longest time the Jets were effectively the only game in town even with the Bombers, but now? There's a larger slice of the pie with regards to sports not only in Winnipeg, but also southern Manitoba in general, winter and summer. Jets management realized too late that they need to offer more towards STH's, and more importantly, treat them better.


Considering the fact that downtown Winnipeg is the domain of corporate Manitoba Hydro and MTS employees even before COVID, there's a need to get people into the downtown core now that a lot of work is remote, and most people who come into Winnipeg are realistically going to spend it in Polo Park, St. Vital, or anywhere else on the outer ring of the city. And taking into account that there's a lot of people coming into Winnipeg from First Nation reserves and the far north for medical reasons, that part of it makes sense.

To loop it to the Jets though, I have serious doubts that this ultimately drives much towards the Jets considering the people who are apart of this specific project TNSE are wrapped up in aren't the same people who would go to Jets games. If anything, it raises serious questions as to how much of TNSE owning the downtown core of Winnipeg is enough before people start wondering aloud why.
so one commentator wow, do you have a link to the one person.

Nice sample size.
 

joelef

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I know your entire schtick is basically being a contrarian shithead WRT Canadian markets, and damn any evidence otherwise, but for the have nots of Canadian markets (meaning Winnipeg, Ottawa though for how long that applies remains to be seen with new ownership) there's only so many dollars you can squeeze out of the region before you start to hit a hard ceiling in terms of profit, and the Jets have hit that point long ago. Considering how the Jets took on a large group of season ticket holders when the team came into fruition, and proceeded to ride that group of people through the honeymoon period with little benefits or care given to STH's, their feeling was that they could effectively guilt trip people into buying in without anything else added on because people were afraid of losing the Jets for a second time.

Well, now that the Jets are in a weird minus zone of being good enough to make the playoffs, but not good enough to make deep runs, that's coming back to bite them in the ass. That the Bombers have been consistently good before COVID, and still are even now, means that more people are willing to spend the big money towards Bombers season tickets, or even stuff like the Goldeyes or Sea Bears. For the longest time the Jets were effectively the only game in town even with the Bombers, but now? There's a larger slice of the pie with regards to sports not only in Winnipeg, but also southern Manitoba in general, winter and summer. Jets management realized too late that they need to offer more towards STH's, and more importantly, treat them better.


Considering the fact that downtown Winnipeg is the domain of corporate Manitoba Hydro and MTS employees even before COVID, there's a need to get people into the downtown core now that a lot of work is remote, and most people who come into Winnipeg are realistically going to spend it in Polo Park, St. Vital, or anywhere else on the outer ring of the city. And taking into account that there's a lot of people coming into Winnipeg from First Nation reserves and the far north for medical reasons, that part of it makes sense.

To loop it to the Jets though, I have serious doubts that this ultimately drives much towards the Jets considering the people who are apart of this specific project TNSE are wrapped up in aren't the same people who would go to Jets games. If anything, it raises serious questions as to how much of TNSE owning the downtown core of Winnipeg is enough before people start wondering aloud why.
It not contrarian to point out the hypocritical talking points by many Canadian fans and much of the Canadian media
 

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I don't think it's apple to apples. A non traditional/O6 Market ticket for a random game in the USA goes for what... 50-60 nose bleeds? 120-whatever for a good seat?

In all Canadian markets except Winnipeg, a seat for under 120 bucks, basically doesn't exist. it's 180-450 basically. 200-250 being normal.

50-120 bucks is NLL ticket pricing.

Winnipeg is currently the best deal, there's not really any nose bleeds and you can go for 120 bucks mid second tier.

So if I can go to all 3-4 games in one week, compared to maybe one, it makes a difference.

The dollar is a major factor, but the US would never let the CAD rise again like it did in 12/13. Getting good deals on raw resources with no benefit to the population is a bit explotive but if someone tried to even it out or sanction/tariff in the other direction the US would just regime change immediately.

This isn't a political take, this is literally how trade deals and other rules/regs/multi-nationals are structured and are part of the problem.

Canadians simply have less disposable income and pay higher prices at the same time.

Consider the Canadian markets are in the mix, and have lead the NLL with 14-18K sellouts, should tell you that the appetite if the prices is right, is there, where places like panther city, Albany, New York, etc.. could barely sell 10 dollar tickets in the NLL and regularly move around.
 
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joelef

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I don't think it's apple to apples. A non traditional/O6 Market ticket for a random game in the USA goes for what... 50-60 nose bleeds? 120-whatever for a good seat?

In all Canadian markets except Winnipeg, a seat for under 120 bucks, basically doesn't exist. it's 180-450 basically. 200-250 being normal.

50-120 bucks is NLL ticket pricing.

Winnipeg is currently the best deal, there's not really any nose bleeds and you can go for 120 bucks mid second tier.

So if I can go to all 3-4 games in one week, compared to maybe one, it makes a difference.

The dollar is a major factor, but the US would never let the CAD rise again like it did in 12/13. Getting good deals on raw resources with no benefit to the population is a bit explotive but if someone tried to even it out or sanction/tariff in the other direction the US would just regime change immediately.

This isn't a political take, this is literally how trade deals and other rules/regs/multi-nationals are structured and are part of the problem.

Canadians simply have less disposable income and pay higher prices at the same time.

Consider the Canadian markets are in the mix, and have lead the NLL with 14-18K sellouts, should tell you that the appetite if the prices is right, is there, where places like panther city, Albany, New York, etc.. could barely sell 10 dollar tickets in the NLL and regularly move around.
So now where going to the Canadian dollar excuse.
 
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As you can see on this board, there are Canadian fans who feel Quebec should have a team. Knowing this, TSN ran a piece designed to appeal to that part of the Canadian sports audience, especially knowing that Sportsnet as the league's Canadian broadcaster was unlikely to go there. TSN/RDS broadcasts a lot of games into the province of Quebec (Habs English regional game, Sens English regional games, Habs French regional games, Sens French regional games) so viewers in Quebec are important to them. Does Bryan Hayes believe what he said in that editiorial? Maybe. Or maybe he was simply the guy who was assigned to it or volunteered for it.
 

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