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Bettman meeting with Ryan Smith, owner of Utah Jazz and Real Salt Lake (upd: Smith asks NHL to open expansion process)

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KevFu said:
You're connecting two dots that aren't there. They didn't use the Delta Center for Olympic hockey... they used the Delta Center for figure skating (and speed skating) which is a bigger surface and figure skating is NBC's marquee event for all demos.

For fans and media, figure skating needs the "bigger accommodations" because anyone there to see ONE figure skater is going to the venue at the same time to watch it all.

But hockey was in the minor league place because only TWO of the participating countries are playing at that venue at once. The massive USA/Canadian media/fan contingents don't have to go to Kazakhstan vs Sweden.
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and what does hockey have to w/ SLC THEN..... if this isn't an option until 2032..... when u already have an arena in place..... that was already approved 3 decades ago.... when is there a pro figure skating/speed skating league existing, Kev......
 
CHRDANHUTCH said:
and what does hockey have to w/ SLC THEN..... if this isn't an option until 2032..... when u already have an arena in place..... that was already approved 3 decades ago.... when is there a pro figure skating/speed skating league existing, Kev......
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I'm just not following you then. What are you trying to say?

I thought you're saying pro hockey in SLC is never going to happen because Larry Miller built the Delta Center for NBA Basketball...

But the Delta Center was built to have ice events for the Olympics. They just put a different ice sport in there during the Olympics.

They ARE going to host the 2034 Olympics. Building a new NBA arena that can fit hockey/skating is going to happen. (And they'll still use the Delta Center for the Olympics, too). Smith wants that arena sooner rather than later, and bringing an NHL team to SLC is going to get that arena deal done faster.

So what exactly are you trying to say?
 
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I think it's for sure happening.

At some point the after DECADES of a complete mess the Coyotes mess cant go on.

And if Salt Lake City is willing to pay a King's ransom of 1.3 BILLIONS.... the NHL would be nuts to say no.

But then again I said that about the Coyotes literally a decade ago on this very Forum, lol!

More seriously: The AAA level minor league arena is likely what is the dealbreaker for the Yotes. it CANNOT go on. As I said in the beginning moving there was complete stupidity. And after the NIMBYs made building a new arena impossible... the team MUST relocate.
 
LadyStanley said:


Yeah, seems like players not at all in the loop
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Sorry for being negative... but I dont exactly buy it.

Certainly the players must have known that being paid millions while playing in an arena below CHL standards couldn't be a financially viable permanent solution.

But then again, I am sure many Enron employees were also surprised when the unsustainable accounting construct inevitably fell appart.
 
Acesolid said:
Sorry for being negative... but I dont exactly buy it.

Certainly the players must have known that being paid millions while playing in an arena below CHL standards couldn't be a financially viable permanent solution.
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Not exactly employee friendly. Excluding the players, how about the locals that have been with the team for decades (moved in 1996, nearly 30 years ago). Will they move with the team? Will they be looking for work?

Will the franchise keep their AHL team in Tucson?
 
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LadyStanley said:
Not exactly employee friendly. Excluding the players, how about the locals that have been with the team for decades (moved in 1996, nearly 30 years ago). Will they move with the team? Will they be looking for work?

Will the franchise keep their AHL team in Tucson?
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I dont think any business in an unsustainable situation can ever be "employee friendly".. at least not for long before the money runs out.

I have over a decade ago worked for a business in crisis. (Screwed by franchiser, etc...)... and I can say this:

When a mess if going to cost you your job you can often see the signs in advance. (Personally I found a transitional job before losing mine, and then a permanent one where I still work)

Certainly someone who decided to keep working for / with the Coyotes while they were a complete mess playing in an unsustainable Pee-Wee sized arena... shouldn't be that surprised (in my opinion).

But then again, I absolutely still feel bad for the people (wrongly) who put their trust and faith in that organisation and got burnt. Hopefully they all get back on their feet soon.
 
LadyStanley said:


Yeah, seems like players not at all in the loop
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that doesn't make a lot of sense considering the vast majority of those players can be traded (or sent down) at any point in time (minus the Christmas roster freeze) without any notice.

Plenty of players uproot there families in the off-season, its a normal part of being a professional athlete. Sure it probably sucks up and moving to another city but its part of the business.

The arena employees will still be arena employees. Sure some team employees will lost their jobs, which is shitty, but everyday businesses close their doors with limited to no notice to their employees. It's not like the Yotes have been stable, this has been a possibility for quite some time.
 
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Acesolid said:
Sorry for being negative... but I dont exactly buy it.

Certainly the players must have known that being paid millions while playing in an arena below CHL standards couldn't be a financially viable permanent solution.

But then again, I am sure many Enron employees were also surprised when the unsustainable accounting construct inevitably fell appart.
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So I actually know someone who used to work for Enron. Yes they were surprised.

It's the old line about bankruptcy - it happens very slowly - then all at once. You can tell that something doesn't look sustainable, but the situation lasts for years and years and years - until all of a sudden it doesn't.

So look, this is some of the most negative reporting about Arizona I've seen in over a decade of following the story. But that doesn't 100% mean the team is relocating - since I was 100% convinced back in 2010-2011 the team was moving, and clearly I was wrong.

Let me say I will mourn for all Coyotes fans - it sucks to lose your hockey team. I went through that in 1996 (Winnipeg) and wouldn't wish that on any hockey fan.

What interests me the most is the reported cost of $1.2 Billion - that's nearly double the cost of Seattle just a few years ago. And I very much want to watch how the cost breaks down in terms of purchase price versus "relocation fee". The "relocation fee" was only ever charged once that I can tell, for Atlanta to Winnipeg, but it seems to cover the idea that the league wants to avoid a windfall to an otherwise failed ownership group.
 
So if this does happen does Arizona jump over Houston as the top expansion candidate if the arena gets built?

Or would this kill any talk of a new arena?
 
LadyStanley said:


Yeah, seems like players not at all in the loop
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It makes sense that they wouldn’t be, considering that the BoG just got a memo updating them in the situation. Nothing is finalized or anything, and until it’s confirmed and there are exact details to give then informing the players and other employees can potentially muddy the waters and lead to misunderstandings.
 
LadyStanley said:


Zoommmmm
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I am still thinking they are just doing this as a contingency plan.

It would be surprising to me if they waited this long for Arizona, through all of this, and aren't willing to wait until the auction (which Meruelo has a very good chance of winning.)

Obviously if that is somehow bungled, which i find unlikely, the team is 100% done.
 
viper0220 said:
If the team is moved to Utah, hopefully they made some changes to the arena and get a new arena in the future.
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The state legislature has already approved funding for a new arena.

We need a disclaimer somewhere in this thread. The whole viability of SLC as a market is tied to the new arena they will be building in the next few years as part of their prep for the 2034 Olympics.
 
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TheGreenTBer said:
I am still thinking they are just doing this as a contingency plan.

It would be surprising to me if they waited this long for Arizona, through all of this, and aren't willing to wait until the auction (which Meruelo has a very good chance of winning.)

Obviously if that is somehow bungled, which i find unlikely, the team is 100% done.
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That simply isn’t the reporting right now.
 
Tawnos said:
The state legislature has already approved funding for a new arena.

We need a disclaimer somewhere in this thread. The whole viability of SLC as a market is tied to the new arena they will be building in the next few years as part of their prep for the 2034 Olympics.
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I read that 2034 Olympics are a slam dunk for Salt Lake, I don't know how true this is.
 
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