Bettman meeting with Ryan Smith, owner of Utah Jazz and Real Salt Lake (upd: Smith asks NHL to open expansion process)

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Here is the direct quote text from Chris Johnston.....



So in spite of what Marty Walsh says.... Chris Johnston says there isn't any sort of deadline until maybe near the end of the season.

IOW.... he's not buying the current rhetoric on deadlines as such.
That's actually a very good point, at least insofar as determining where the franchise plays next season.

I remember the situation here in Atlanta with the Thrashers, that the sale of the team to a party who wished to relocate it had to be completed by a certain date (if I recall correctly, 12pm EDT on 31 May 2011) or they'd have to play in Atlanta for one more season. That schedule was released on 23 June 2011.

I'm betting Meruelo has until roughly that time to get things sorted -- assuming there's actually a set-in-stone deadline at all for him and the Coyotes. The Coyotes do still have one season, plus one optional season, on their agreement with ASU.

(I realize you know that, but ... you know, just for the people in the back)
 

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Yeah just like when Craig said Fiesta Mall was a viable option for the Coyotes when everyone knew it wasn't then a month later said it wasn't and that a County Island was a viable option when everyone knew it wasn't.

Now we're on land auctions being a viable option when......well you get the drift.

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Quickly for the audience here....

Show us all exactly where Craig says what you're claiming he said. Certainly not in the tweets above...

Nevermind.... I'll save you the trouble:



Here is the actual text of his story he referred to above in the first tweet....


Fiesta Mall/Mesa

While recent reports have zeroed in on Fiesta Mall as a new possibility, the reality is that the possibility has existed for well over a year. When the Coyotes hired Gutierrez two years ago, he made it clear that his top priority was to find an arena solution. That meant exploring all available options in the Valley.

When the Coyotes decided that a longstanding dump site along the south bank of the Salt River in Tempe was the best choice, they turned all of their focus and messaging to that site, but early in that process, Gutierrez admitted that any sound business plan would also include backup options. The Coyotes kept those options close to the vest with only the upper levels of the organization aware of the possibilities. Gutierrez didn’t want any distractions and he didn’t want the City of Tempe to think that the franchise’s commitment was anything less than 100 percent.

Once one of the Valley’s key retail centers, Fiesta Mall closed in 2018. The entire area near Mesa Community College and the Banner Desert Medical Center is ripe for redevelopment. Verde Investments owns the land. In what is likely more than a coincidence, the chairman, president and founder of Verde Investments is Carvana CEO and co-founder Ernie Garcia, who also held an option on the land that the Coyotes tried to develop in Tempe.

Critics of this particular site contend that it is no better than the Coyotes’ problematic location in Glendale. Both sites are about 17 to 18 miles from the core of downtown Phoenix. The comparison isn’t entirely fair, however. A detailed report six years ago found that the vast majority of the Coyotes premium season-ticket and suite holders live on the east side of town, and Gutierrez confirmed that is still the case, with a significant number of those coming from the Southeast Valley communities of Chandler and Gilbert. Fiesta Mall would clearly be much closer to that fan base than Glendale. And while the location would prove challenging for north Scottsdale residents, it is, on average, about 10-15 miles closer than the Glendale arena.

While Fiesta Mall is about 11 miles to the southeast from the proposed Tempe site, there are other privately owned parcels available in Mesa along the Loop 202 Red Mountain freeway, and in other municipalities, which are closer to the original Tempe site.

Mesa Mayor John Giles told The Arizona Republic that he doesn’t foresee a scenario where a public vote would be necessary on privately owned parcels in Mesa because it would be a private development, but it’s not entirely clear how the deal would have to be structured to avoid that public vote.

Here is what the Mesa city charter says.

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Here is the pertinent text of the article in second link....


"While much press has been devoted to a potential arena on the site of the old Fiesta Mall, that site has never been one of the leading candidates. As previously reported, that site has been an option for the Coyotes since Xavier A. Gutierrez took over as president and CEO on June 8, 2020, but the team has never shown significant interest for a variety of reasons that include its location about 12 miles to the southeast of the proposed Tempe site that voters rejected."


Note Craig is doing actual reporting on what he is finding out by contacting people directly involved..... and he cites those sources.




So where is this declaration you say Craig made????

(and who's the real liar here??)
 

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Here is the direct quote text from Chris Johnston.....



So in spite of what Marty Walsh says.... Chris Johnston says there isn't any sort of deadline until maybe near the end of the season.

IOW.... he's not buying the current rhetoric on deadlines as such.
I listened to it so I know what he said today. You insinuated that Frank made something up that was credibly reported on by others, including this same person, as recently as 7 weeks ago at the BOG meeting. I never said anything about Marty Walsh.
 

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I listened to it so I know what he said today. You insinuated that Frank made something up that was credibly reported on by others, including this same person, as recently as 7 weeks ago at the BOG meeting. I never said anything about Marty Walsh.

I said Frank said he THOUGHT there was a deadline and people were accepting it as it was an actual fact.
 

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I said Frank said he THOUGHT there was a deadline and people were accepting it as it was an actual fact.

???? He said there is a deadline January 31st.

You do realize that “insiders” do this all the time right. I think there is some movement on the Nylander contract. It might be 8 x 11 plus.

Oh look a week later Willy signs.


“I think Bettman has put a deadline on the coyotes to have a clear plan sometime this month”.

A week later

I can confirm that he has given them until Jan 31st.

It’s literally what every insider does. Saying you think this, do more digging and confirm.

Again. This isn’t court. This isn’t watergate.
It’s hockey.
 

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Show us all exactly where Craig says what you're claiming he said. Certainly not in the tweets above...

So where is this declaration you say Craig made????

Let's start with the article you posted.

The latest reports have the Coyotes eyeing the former site of Fiesta Mall in Mesa, but there are other possibilities, some of which may offer better solutions.

Sounds like Craig is heavily insinuating that Fiesta is a possibility for the Coyotes there.

You know the definition of Viable right?

adjective
  1. capable of working successfully; feasible.
    "the proposed investment was economically viable"
Synonyms of viable
  • possible.
  • achievable.
  • feasible.
  • attainable.
  • workable.
  • practicable.
  • realizable.
  • practical.


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So here we are, again (and again, and again). Are you seriously unable to comprehend what viable means in this context, or are you just lying about me mischaracterizing here to try to defend Craig Morgan when we know he just threw this bad rumor out without doing one iota of research to keep the fan base engaged before he corrected himself.

Hmm, I think I have something for that.

Meaning he guessed without even trying to confirm. That’s pure laziness on his part as a so-called “journalist” and now he has to double down on it because he’s can’t look like an idiot and even if he comes out wrong he can sluff it off.

Craig just has the advantage of knowing that everyone outside of his Arizona Coyotes bubble already thinks he's an idiot and nothing more than a mouthpiece for Alex Meruelo and Xavier Gutierrez.
 

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Forget hockey - do you follow markets much?

PKP's money is from Quebecor. There investments have been in cable and newspapers. Those have, frankly, been terrible markets to be in over the past decade. Quebec City was very gently "deferred" Quebec City back in 2016. Since then, the cost of an NHL franchise has only increased, and PKP's money has only decreased.

Look - outside of fans in Quebec City itself, few people would be happier to see the Nords return to the league then me, The people of Quebec City built a brand new arena to NHL specs in hopes of getting an NHL team, to the league is always going to speak kindly about it as a potential market.

But from what I can tell - unless PKP wins one of those crazy powerball lottos, he just doesn't have the money to buy an NHL franchise.
 

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Then why hasn't he bought a team yet?

PKP's net worth seems to be almost entirely tied up in Quebecor stock. So don't get me wrong - he's not exactly having to go through his couch looking for loose change. But in order to buy a team he'd need to divest himself of a lot of Quebecor shares - which would both depress the share price and dilute his control over the company.

Now Ryan Smith - he's an interesting cat. I have to admit I really don't know him. He founded Qualtrics, which is an "experience management" company. Even after googling "experience management" I'm not quite sure what it is. But it seems to be very lucrative.

Qualtrics was purchased by software behemoth SAP in 2019 for $8 billion, all cash. Then, curiously, Smith came back with the help of private equity money and purchased Qualtrics back from SAP just last year for $12.5 billion.

It's hard to say just exactly how much money Smith has, but he clearly has access to sources of money (like private equity) that make him a much more realistic NHL owner.
 

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And just to prove it isn't just some crazed HFBoards posters, the article explicitly mentions Arizona:

Most notably: Smith said his ownership group (which owns the Utah Jazz and MLS Real Salt Lake City) could host a team as soon as next season at the Delta Center, which has already hosted some NHL exhibition games. That's significant as the Arizona Coyotes arena situation is coming to a head. Sources from the NHL and NHLPA have told me the Coyotes need to provide firm answers soon, or the league will lose patience -- which it has already exercised a ton of.
 

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But they did the opposite: they welcomed his announcement.

I'm just saying I think there's chance privately they were like "We like you, we are intrigued by SLC, but going forward WE will let you know when the expansion process is open... Got it?" Of course there is the other angle that the NHL asked him to create some news. :dunno:

I don't know that the league would put a team in any of those places I rattled off just because you have money for an expansion team in your pocket and a dream in your head, because the BoG also wants sustainability. If all they cared about was getting a fat payday today to move the team in five or ten years, they wouldn't vet prospective ownership and markets like they do today.

You'll hear no argument from me about how hockey mad Saskatoon or Flin Flon is, because I'm sure they're all quite passionate about the sport. But it wouldn't just be me who's the fool for paying an expansion fee to put a NHL team in Flin Flon. It'd be the league, and all governors who approve the expansion to such a tiny market. Relocation is a black eye on a league that is vying for both relevance and stability.

Ya... I really don't buy the idea that all you need is a billion dollars and maybe an arena and the NHL will hand you a team regardless of location. The NHL isn't going to expand to Grand Rapids, Albany or New Orleans just because someone is willing to cough up a billion dollars (and build an arena). The dude in Quebec probably doesn't have a billion $ kicking around to spend on a hockey team, but I think there is also the problem of the league not being all that interested to begin with. Lets be honest, the only reason the NHL is back in Winnipeg is because after the owners in Atlanta threw the keys on the table (figuratively, and quite possibly literally), the NHL, at the time, had no other viable option outside of folding the franchise.

To be honest, I'm sort of surprised the NHL seems hot on SLC. Some people will make the ol' argument "snows + gets cold = success" but that doesn't appear to have done much for hockey in SLC/Utah up to this point. It seems pretty niche/fringe. So the NHL won't be tapping into a ready-made fervent fan base, but SLC/Utah is also a smallish market, and the NHL would be going head-on against a long established NBA team (I guess it helps that they would be owned by the same guy), so growth also seems kind of limited. If the developments in Atlanta actually turn into something concrete, and the dude from Houston has a change of heart, does the NHL still take Smith's phone calls? :dunno:
 
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I'm just saying I think there's chance privately they were like "We like you, we are intrigued by SLC, but going forward WE will let you know when the expansion process is open... Got it?" Of course there is the other angle that the NHL asked him to create some news. :dunno:



Ya... I really don't buy the idea that all you need is a billion dollars and maybe an arena and the NHL will hand you a team regardless of location. The NHL isn't going to expand to Grand Rapids, Albany or New Orleans just because someone is willing to cough up a billion dollars (and build an arena). The dude in Quebec probably doesn't have a billion $ kicking around to spend on a hockey team, but I think there is also the problem of the league not being all that interested to begin with. Lets be honest, the only reason the NHL is back in Winnipeg is because after the owners in Atlanta through the keys on the table (figuratively, and quite possibly literally), the NHL, at the time, had no other viable option outside of folding the franchise.

I'm sort of surprised the NHL seems kind of hot on SLC. Some people will make the ol'argument "snows + gets cold = success" but that doesn't appear to have done much for hockey in SLC/Utah up to this point. It seems pretty niche/fringe. So the NHL won't be tapping into a ready-made fervent fan base, but SLC/Utah is also a smallish market, and the NHL would be going head-on against a long established NBA team (I guess it helps that they would be owned by the same guy), so growth also seems kind of limited. If the developments in Atlanta actually turn into something concrete, and the dude from Houston has a change of heart, does the NHL still take Smith's phone calls? :dunno:

Those of us of a certain age remember how expansion seemed to work in the past - the league would announce a process, all kinds of different parties would apply. In the 1992 expansion there were bids from Seattle, Hamilton, Milwaukee, Houston, San Diego, St Petersburg and Miami - in addition to Ottawa and Tampa.

It was all fairly public.

But that's clearly not the way the NHL does it any more. The 2016 expansion process was only opened to two teams, and only one was approved. Quebec City being "deferred" seems to have caused hard feelings in that province. So when it came time to expand to Seattle the whole thing was behind closed doors. By the time it was announced the process was pretty much complete.

And I don't know what to tell you - I really do think getting an NHL team really comes down to having the money up front. That's definitely what it came down to in 1992 - Tampa and Ottawa were the two bids that promised to pay the entire amount ($50 mil) right up front. Many of those other markets would probably have been stronger hockey markets, but the NHL insisted on their money.

And now $1 billion is a heck of a lot more money than $50 mil.

I mean I agree the league isn't going to expand into Albany or Grand Rapids - but because of regional restrictions of Buffalo and Detroit. And there probably is some absolute minimum size of market below which the league wouldn't go. But if someone though really wanted to spend $1 billion on going to New Orleans as you say, do you think the league would say no? Do you think each of the owners would say no to the just over $30 mil in free money they'd receive as their share of the expansion fee?
 

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Well, Albany is 300 miles from Buffalo, and closer to Boston, but the NHL is never going there regardless.


A lot of the expansion process reminds me of asking a weird job interview question. Personally, I go with a zombie apocalypse outbreak, because I want to see their brain process an unexpected new problem and in real time go through the logic/reason of forming a plan.

But the point is, that we focus a lot on the data of a market, while I'd imagine a huge part of the expansion process is the potential owner's vision for a team in that market and the WHY they think it will work.

We might think there'd be better markets, but "the market" is pretty much always gonna be the "the market." The market is potential customers. The owner has a massive say in what your product IS. The NHL would probably rather be in business with someone who they think "gets it," and can turn a market that wouldn't be really high on their list into a great hockey market before they'd want a generic billionaire who's vision is just having a franchise.

Basically, the difference between Mark Cuban and Wayne Huzinga.
 
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Those of us of a certain age remember how expansion seemed to work in the past - the league would announce a process, all kinds of different parties would apply. In the 1992 expansion there were bids from Seattle, Hamilton, Milwaukee, Houston, San Diego, St Petersburg and Miami - in addition to Ottawa and Tampa.

It was all fairly public.

But that's clearly not the way the NHL does it any more. The 2016 expansion process was only opened to two teams, and only one was approved. Quebec City being "deferred" seems to have caused hard feelings in that province. So when it came time to expand to Seattle the whole thing was behind closed doors. By the time it was announced the process was pretty much complete.

And I don't know what to tell you - I really do think getting an NHL team really comes down to having the money up front. That's definitely what it came down to in 1992 - Tampa and Ottawa were the two bids that promised to pay the entire amount ($50 mil) right up front. Many of those other markets would probably have been stronger hockey markets, but the NHL insisted on their money.

And now $1 billion is a heck of a lot more money than $50 mil.

I mean I agree the league isn't going to expand into Albany or Grand Rapids - but because of regional restrictions of Buffalo and Detroit. And there probably is some absolute minimum size of market below which the league wouldn't go. But if someone though really wanted to spend $1 billion on going to New Orleans as you say, do you think the league would say no? Do you think each of the owners would say no to the just over $30 mil in free money they'd receive as their share of the expansion fee?

The barrier of entry to gaining an expansion team today versus obtaining one from 1992-2000 is a lot more difficult to climb over -- for good reason. In the past, there was also this idea that "hockey should sell itself", so the league was far less focused on vetting ownership for everything from financials, committment, even passion for the sport and the market they operate in.

While I have no way of knowing this, I would think the league learned that old strategy of expanding resulted in far more harmful situations for franchises and the league than good ones. Sure, the Panthers went to the Cup final in 1996, but struggled both on the ice and in the front office until the mid-2010s. The Lightning had their own set of struggles, despite winning the Cup in 2004. Sharks, Ducks, Preds, Blue Jackets, Thrashers -- all had their set of struggles with varying levels of success, and more often than not. a lot more struggles.

So, the league had to change their way of doing things, up the application fee, up the expansion fees, and simply make it hurt an owner to simply have a team as a tax write-off. It's better for the league to have every owner want to win, and do their best to make that happen, instead of a handful of owners with that desire and everyone else holding a franchise for perceived status and bragging rights.

As a fan of both hockey and the business side of things, it'd be really cool to have the expansion process be more public, but I also understand why it's not.

As for expanding into what might be seen as odd places to go (like New Orleans, as per the example), I think the league has their fingers on the pulse of most markets, relative interest in those markets, and the potential long-term viability of a team there. Listen to how league representatives speak about prospective markets. They wouldn't say they feel it will work if it wouldn't work. In that way, NOLA will get a franchise only if the BoG thinks the market is viable, not because Moneybags McBigspender has a billion dollars burning a hole in his pocket and wants a tax write-off.
 

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but SLC/Utah is also a smallish market, and the NHL would be going head-on against a long established NBA team (I guess it helps that they would be owned by the same guy), so growth also seems kind of limited.

Salt Lake City is the #48 Metropolitan Statistical Area (1.27 million), but it's the #22 Combined Statistical Area with 2.8 million; bigger than Pittsburgh, Columbus, Raleigh -- lots of similarities with Raleigh, actually -- and Nashville.

CSAs are much better to use than MSAs for sports, because they're closer to the league boundary rules (i.e. Riverside is the #11 MSA, but it's inside the territorial rights of LA/Anaheim) and TV territories. They also show a better financial picture (i.e. - Boston and Phoenix basically switch places going from MSAs to CSAs. Boston is a financial power in sports, Phoenix is not).


The other intriguing aspect of SLC is that while the same owner would have the NBA and NHL team, there's a very realistic possibility of TWO ARENAS that doesn't exist in most other places, because Salt Lake needs the venues for the Olympics: They need a figure skating/speed skating arena and two hockey arenas. He also owns the Utah Grizzlies (IIRC, I could be wrong on that). Moving the ECHL team to the AHL and down to Provo to expand the reach/scope brand.

If the NHL were to venture into a medium-sized market where the NBA had a team already, Smith presents the IDEAL CONDITIONS.

If the NHL tried it, and it didn't work... they'd know there's eight places they can't go, and need to plan on beating the NBA to other markets they want; But if it's a success, then they have a blueprint for how to go to those cities if they ever wanted to, but more importantly: show the owner of the Houston Rockets what he should do.
 
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The barrier of entry to gaining an expansion team today versus obtaining one from 1992-2000 is a lot more difficult to climb over -- for good reason. In the past, there was also this idea that "hockey should sell itself", so the league was far less focused on vetting ownership for everything from financials, committment, even passion for the sport and the market they operate in.

While I have no way of knowing this, I would think the league learned that old strategy of expanding resulted in far more harmful situations for franchises and the league than good ones.

100%. The 90s expansion was about NUMBERS. They said they wanted to go from 21 to 28 or 30 by the end of the decade, and they picked the best candidates who applied/had the fee. It was from a position of weakness: We have a "need" (self-created) that we need to fill.

Expansion now isn't a need. They're operating from a position of strength: We're fine with the X teams we got. You want in? Convince us to open the doors.
 

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1. Teams are not objects. They cannot simply be moved, there's procedures, questions of if Meruelo does or doesn't want to sell, etc.

2. The talent pool is deep, and only getting deeper by the year. We have kids in the minors who should be playing in the NHL. There's undrafted players in leagues around the world who should've been drafted. Have you watched any Champions League games? Yeah, there's some incredible talent in Europe, but if all you do is watch the NHL, it's easy to believe the narrative that the talent pool is depleted.

Expansion is coming, whether Arizona moves to Salt Lake or not.


Well, Smith does have a plan, so Delta Center would be temporary. I think putting a team in a building with bad sightlines and limited seating for hockey for a couple seasons is something the league would agree with.

I mean, they're ok with a team playing in a 5000 seat college arena so yea, I think they'd be ok with this.
 

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You realize that someone doesn't need to actually be in/from the city to invest in a team there. Craig Leipold lives in Wisconsin but owned Nashville and now Minnesota. Karmanos lived in Detroit his entire life.

Pegulas only connection to Buffalo was his wife grew up there; lives in Florida but owns both of the cities pro sports franchises.
 

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The 90s expansion was about NUMBERS. They said they wanted to go from 21 to 28 or 30 by the end of the decade, and they picked the best candidates who applied/had the fee. It was from a position of weakness: We have a "need" (self-created) that we need to fill.

28 was always the announced intention/plan. When 'Disney' & 'Blockbuster' said give us teams -and McNall profit from it- the league immediately gave them teams. They essentially were the bonus two. 25-28 were supposed to happen a few years later with the latter at the end of the decade. Instead it was quickly 26, Bettman was hired and oversaw the continuation of the last four "planned" -- "25-28" which was then now 27-30.

Would get too into the weeds on "best candidates" and even "who had the fee" on who was picked but there's more there.

The cherry-on-top of [over]-expansion is always having multiple relocations at the same time. As you aptly stated, "self-created," that applies to more than just the need to meet their planned expansion quota.

Nothing says stability/we know what we're doing quite like adding 9-teams in 10-years, 2 of which were unplanned, and relocating 4-teams in a 5-year span that's within that same 10-years of expansion.
 

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Those of us of a certain age remember how expansion seemed to work in the past - the league would announce a process, all kinds of different parties would apply. In the 1992 expansion there were bids from Seattle, Hamilton, Milwaukee, Houston, San Diego, St Petersburg and Miami - in addition to Ottawa and Tampa.

It was all fairly public.

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I mean I agree the league isn't going to expand into Albany or Grand Rapids - but because of regional restrictions of Buffalo and Detroit. And there probably is some absolute minimum size of market below which the league wouldn't go. But if someone though really wanted to spend $1 billion on going to New Orleans as you say, do you think the league would say no? Do you think each of the owners would say no to the just over $30 mil in free money they'd receive as their share of the expansion fee?

Ya, once the NHL is ready for the expansion process (whatever the process might look like) to officially start I doubt the league will have any problem with candidates enthusiastically proclaiming their interest in getting a team. I'm just saying until that time comes the league might not appreciate someone being like "Yo, Gary... let's get the ball rolling on expansion!". I don't feel particularly strong about my op though, so I'm just going to drop this. :)

Neither GR or Albany are really all that close to infringing on other teams territory... At least not technically and not anymore than say Philadelphia infringes on New York. There is a lot more working against those markets than just existing NHL teams.

As far as New Orleans goes... I dunno... It's a small market, with competition. We are talking both a very low floor AND a very low ceiling.

Salt Lake City is the #48 Metropolitan Statistical Area (1.27 million), but it's the #22 Combined Statistical Area with 2.8 million; bigger than Pittsburgh, Columbus, Raleigh -- lots of similarities with Raleigh, actually -- and Nashville.

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Those markets are still smallish and none are going head-on against an NBA team, and outside of Pittsburgh, none of them are moving the needle nationally, even by hockey's low standards. I'm not saying it can't work, the NHL/hockey has done OK in those markets, I guess I'm just sorta surprised by the league's apparent enthusiasm for SLC. :dunno:

I get the whole MSA/CSA thing, but I think there is even more to it than that, and as far it it relates to the viability of a NHL franchise it can get sorta complicated...

I mean Ottawa is a metro of ~1.5 million people. It is also filled with Leaf and Habs fans. The Senators English broadcast market is limited to a sliver of eastern Ontario (can't be more than a couple of million), but for French broadcasts they have the entire province of Quebec (~9 million). At the end of the day they pull some of the highest regional viewership in the league. How do you compare all that to St Louis, or San Jose or a potential SLC team? :dunno: But I digress...
 
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Those markets are still smallish and none are going head-on against an NBA team, and outside of Pittsburgh, none of them are moving the needle nationally, even by hockey's low standards. I'm not saying it can't work, the NHL/hockey has done OK in those markets, I guess I'm just sorta surprised by the league's apparent enthusiasm for SLC. :dunno:

I get the whole MSA/CSA thing, but I think there is even more to it than that, and as far it it relates to the viability of a NHL franchise it can get sorta complicated...

I mean Ottawa is a metro of ~1.5 million people. It is also filled with Leaf and Habs fans. The Senators English broadcast market is limited to a sliver of eastern Ontario (can't be more than a couple of million), but for French broadcasts they have the entire province of Quebec (~9 million). At the end of the day they pull some of the highest regional viewership in the league. How do you compare all that to St Louis, or San Jose or a potential SLC team? :dunno: But I digress...
Yeah, SLC has been brought up numerous times when it came to relocation talks. I always thought it was okayish, but with the Jazz already being there was probably closed off.

Which is why I tend to think it boils down to money. The league may prefer to go to Houston, or Atlanta, instead of SLC - but now they have one billion reasons to go to Utah. Plus Ryan Smith does sound like the kind of owner the league would like to have in the club (with lots of money, local connections plus pro sports experience).
 

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Yeah, SLC has been brought up numerous times when it came to relocation talks. I always thought it was okayish, but with the Jazz already being there was probably closed off.

Which is why I tend to think it boils down to money. The league may prefer to go to Houston, or Atlanta, instead of SLC - but now they have one billion reasons to go to Utah. Plus Ryan Smith does sound like the kind of owner the league would like to have in the club (with lots of money, local connections plus pro sports experience).

I think this is correct. I am sure the league would prefer to go to Houston rather than SLC, but Fertitta who owns the Rockets (NBA) doesn't want to pay enough to be part of the NHL club as well, and the particulars of the Harris County (that's Houston) lease with Fertitta for the Rockets' arena mean that there is no public money available to help anyone else build an arena in Harris County. All of which makes Houston very difficult.

Therefore, some other place in the West has to come to forefront of the picture for the NHL, and fortunately for them, Ryan Smith has raised his hand. I don't think it's fair to say that NHL in SLC would be 'competing' with the Jazz, because I am absolutely sure that Smith is going to package the 2 teams together in some sense. And, that makes a big difference.

Likewise, I think for a few years, QC was a handy-to-have-in-your-pocket idea in the east. I am not sure that works any more with rising franchise values, however. And, lo and behold, Atlanta has re-awakened there.
 
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