Value of: Better return: Meier vs Jeannot

[Curufinwe]

Guy had 20 goals in his rookie season. The price is certainly steep but Tampa is in all in, win now mode and their picks will be late round ones.

They paid a high price for Hagel too. They need impact players who are on cheap contracts. They got another one of those. Jeannot is a 2nd line power forward

He's scoring at a 4th line rate this season - 17th best out of 18 Nashville forwards.

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[Byrddog]

The thing is value. Meier has the potential to have a long successful productive career. This does not justify the load paid for him.

Jeannot had a anomaly year last year and is back to being 10- 25 3rd liner. And there is no justification to the amount the Bolts gave up for him. Even if they are late round picks . Yhis is truly a case of quantity beating hell out of quality. If Foot is no more than a 3rd pair guy or even a 7th guy all you have to do is pick one bottom 6 guy with the 5 picks to be the winner of the trade.

Some Gm’ need to be drug tested.

 

[Jeffrey Pedler]

How can this even be a debate? The Preds got a bottom pairing defenseman and five draft picks, for a third line player.

 

[Gecklund]

How anyone is saying Jeannot is dumb.

23 1st>25 1st
Conditional 24 2nd/1st=24 2nd
Zetterlund>23 3rd
Okhotiuk>23 4th
Johnsson<23 5th
Shakir>>>Foote

 

[Cloned]

Well, then that's deliberately pretty stupid.

Without further specification, folks don't know if you meant relative value or total worth.

That’s the point. Part of the poll context is seeing if people treat one as being more important than the other when evaluating a trade.

 

[PromisedLand]

Jeannot by a mile, Jeannot got almost an entire draft class

This!

Look at Jeannot's production; I still cannot understand the haul preds got for a 3rd/4th liner. I've never seen this in the history of NHL

 

[AtlantaWhaler]

I don't see how anyone can argue this. Especially with that 2025 1st being top 10 protected

Looking at the poll results so far, never underestimate the fantastical thinking of magic beans vs. known players.

Jeannot, 1 first in 2025
Meier, 1 first in 2023

Jeannot, 1 second in 2024
Meier, 1 second that can become a first in 2024

Jeannot, Foote, already an NHLer but having some struggles as a 6
Meier, Zetterlund, already a good NHL checking forward

Jeannot, 1 third
Meier, Mukhamadullin, drafted 20th overall in 2020; prospect defenseman

Jeannot, 1 fourth
Meier, Okhotiuk, drafted 61st in 2019; AHL defenseman with NHL potential

Jeannot, 1 fifth
Meier, ...

And people think the Jeannot return is better? Wow.

Here's where the thread is tricky... Meier >>>>>>>Jeannot

So, return v return goes to Meier, yes. But, better return based on the actual trade value? Jeannot by a mile.

 

[Jeffrey Pedler]

Looking at the poll results so far, never underestimate the fantastical thinking of magic beans vs. known players.

Jeannot, 1 first in 2025
Meier, 1 first in 2023

Jeannot, 1 second in 2024
Meier, 1 second that can become a first in 2024

Jeannot, Foote, already an NHLer but having some struggles as a 6
Meier, Zetterlund, already a good NHL checking forward

Jeannot, 1 third
Meier, Mukhamadullin, drafted 20th overall in 2020; prospect defenseman

Jeannot, 1 fourth
Meier, Okhotiuk, drafted 61st in 2019; AHL defenseman with NHL potential

Jeannot, 1 fifth
Meier, ...

And people think the Jeannot return is better? Wow.

The Jeannot return is better. We're talking about about a top 6 forward in Meier compared to a bottom 6 in Jeannot. I guarantee this was Tampa GMs starting bid and Polie was like, is this guy serious?

 

[PromisedLand]

Meier returned a player with more goals and points than Jeannot

b/c Meier has superstar potential and is probably going to light it up offensively

 

[belair]

This is correct, However the Devils received a legit star and the Bolts got a 4th liner. Really depends how you look at it

A fourth liner? Third liner maybe. If you've paid attention. Tampa generally deploys these his pretty effectively once they get their hands on them.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

The Meier return was clearly quite a bit more. Half of what Tampa gave up for Jeannot has little to no value(4th and 5th round picks have almost no value, and Foote is bad).


But relative to the skill of each player, Jeanot definitely got more. A 1st + 2nd for Jeanot is extremely well done for Nashville, the rest just doesn't add up to much. There's probably a ~25% chance Nashville gets an NHL player from those other picks.

 

[AvroArrow]

Jeannot. Five draft picks for a bottom 6 player.

 

[Chainshot]

Here's where the thread is tricky... Meier >>>>>>>Jeannot

So, return v return goes to Meier, yes. But, better return based on the actual trade value? Jeannot by a mile.

The Jeannot return is better. We're talking about about a top 6 forward in Meier compared to a bottom 6 in Jeannot. I guarantee this was Tampa GMs starting bid and Polie was like, is this guy serious?

The comment was "who did it better". I realize Jeannot is a bottom 6 guy, albeit one with a unique set of skills that Tampa has shown a willingness to spend on repeatedly now with this move, the Hagel move, Coleman, and Goodrow over the last stretch of years. There are people stacking up the returns as being better for Nashville in total. That is not the case.

 

[GirardSpinorama]

Meiers is a way better player but he has a 10MM OS. That drastically lowered his trade value, so sucks for SJ.

 

[danyhabsfan]

What's the question anyway?

 

[Hammettf2b]

Meier's return is better in a vacuum, easily.

Now, if you divide the value of their respective return by the value of Meier or Jeannot... Jeannot wins there, easily.

Show me the charts!

 

[ON3M4N]

If I'm looking at just the pieces then it's Timo. If I take into account the player the pieces were traded for vs what I think said players value is, then its Jeannot.

 

[DownIsTheNewUp]

I can't believe there are people seriously answering Jeannot in this poll. Zetterlund by himself might be worth the Jeannot return, which is a likely late 1st and a bunch of nothing assets.

Man, HF and its love affair with f***ing draft picks... In 5 years, when these draft picks have a name (and a likely non-NHL career), people will have a very different opinion about the strength of those returns.

This. I don't think many people grasp how much more valuable a 1st is than later round picks.

 

[Cogburn]

What's the gag here?

2025 1st, 2024 2nd, and a 3rd, 4th and 5th in 2023 with. 25 year old D prospect in Foote.

A top two protected 1st in 2023, a 2nd with achievable conditions on become a 1st, Mukhamadullin, Okhotiuk, Zetterlund, a cap dump and a 7th. Meier also had Harrington, a fifth, and AHL fodder attached to him.

At worst, Foote+3rd, 4th and 5th is less than Okhotiuk, Muk, and Zetterlund, with this years first beating a 2025 first, and a second is a second, if San Jose/New Jersey don't have their conditions met.

Are we just over valuing Foote? One return is objectively better here. And it's definitely Meier.

I think Jeannot got the much better return versus expectations, however, but Tampa always pays a premium for physical guys lower down the line up.

 

[AslanRH]

I voted Meier based solely on the returning assets, but value out to return ratio was definitely in favor of Jeannot

 

[EastVillageBlues]

Looking at the poll results so far, never underestimate the fantastical thinking of magic beans vs. known players.

Jeannot, 1 first in 2025
Meier, 1 first in 2023

Jeannot, 1 second in 2024
Meier, 1 second that can become a first in 2024

Jeannot, Foote, already an NHLer but having some struggles as a 6
Meier, Zetterlund, already a good NHL checking forward

Jeannot, 1 third
Meier, Mukhamadullin, drafted 20th overall in 2020; prospect defenseman

Jeannot, 1 fourth
Meier, Okhotiuk, drafted 61st in 2019; AHL defenseman with NHL potential

Jeannot, 1 fifth
Meier, ...

And people think the Jeannot return is better? Wow.

Any way you slice it, the TBL price is comparatively terrible.

But they are a team that has a history of trading not for the best value, but for the best fit in terms of team structure, and effect in playoff series. So we shouldn't be that surprised that they got the guy who they think will help them this year and in the next few years' of post-seasons.

 

[DatDude44]

Nashville got alot more value relative to the piece they got rid of, SJ got a nicer overall package in return but moved an absolute stud at 26 yrs old.

NSH made out like bandits, SJ got worked hard. They better pray mukhamadullin is legit

 

[jfhabs]

Better value relative to the player? If so it's close.
Otherwise, very easily the Meier return. Not close.

 

[Quid Pro Clowe]

I disagree. First off Harrington isn’t a minor leaguer he’s playing on their top pair with Karlsson. Meier only got one guaranteed 1st. They have two shots to make it a second but it’s far from an easy ask for a young core with no playoff experience. That Russian D man is New Jerseys what? 5th or 6th best prospect? Zetterlund is a decent young player but overall the Meier trade is a lot of quantity over quality.

Harrington was only with Karlsson because Megna got traded before him. He’s the definition of a 7th dman.

 

[Jeffrey Pedler]

The comment was "who did it better". I realize Jeannot is a bottom 6 guy, albeit one with a unique set of skills that Tampa has shown a willingness to spend on repeatedly now with this move, the Hagel move, Coleman, and Goodrow over the last stretch of years. There are people stacking up the returns as being better for Nashville in total. That is not the case.

Tampa is going to be trending towards Detroit territory if this keeps up. That's not a good thing. You need cheap prospects to continue to replace expensive and aging players. Top 6 forward, Top 4 defense, #1 goalie is they type of return for a trade like this. Not a third line winger that can be found on any given team.