Best player in the world: 2017

[Midnight Judges]

Like usual you are off topic as the question isn't who had the best season and even if you don't agree with those choices you have to admit that Crosby was in the mix or else there is some other narrative or bias creeping in here.

Crosby wasn't in the mix in 06, 08-10, 2012, or 2015.

There was no case for him as #1 in any of those seasons.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

The thing about this voting is, it isn't ranked choice.

So Crosby fans really were claiming - with a straight face - that he was better than Jagr/Thornton in 2006, better than Ovechkin in 2008-2010, better than Malkin in 2012, better than Price in 2015, better than Kane in 2016.

There is absolutely zero case for Crosby as best player in any of those seasons.

So again, this poll series is more a measure of rank homerism on this forum than anything else.

It ain't just Crosby fans, chief. It's the main boards - these are hockey fans.

But more to the point, if you don't like the system, stop complaining and make your own polls with ranked choice. That simple.

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

He's mad because besides a 3 year period in a 18 year career ovechkin has no business in any best player in the world conversations

 

[Phil Kessels Hot Dog]

Crosby again. Best player of his generation.

 

[Toby91ca]

Crosby wasn't in the mix in 06, 08-10, 2012, or 2015.

There was no case for him as #1 in any of those seasons.

Why do you always complain when Crosby gets any votes at all in years you think he doesn’t deserve it, but have no issues with votes for Ovechkin in years where he more clearly doesn’t belong in the conversation? It’s stupid….there is a year that “x” player is voted as best and you jump on Crosby having 10% of the vote (just making up a number, I do t care what the % is) and you complain…why does he get any votes at all?

 

[Midnight Judges]

Why do you always complain when Crosby gets any votes at all in years you think he doesn’t deserve it, but have no issues with votes for Ovechkin in years where he more clearly doesn’t belong in the conversation? It’s stupid….there is a year that “x” player is voted as best and you jump on Crosby having 10% of the vote (just making up a number, I do t care what the % is) and you complain…why does he get any votes at all?

The quantity of that happening for Crosby is far more egregious.

For example, in 2006, Ovechkin was inarguably better than Crosby and Crosby was not even a top 5 player, yet somehow Crosby got 26 first place votes to Ovechkin's 13 (I voted Jagr).

Same goes for 2008 when Ovechkin had the best season this side of the lockout (or at least until 2023). He was indisputably better than Crosby, yet Crosby got 39 homer votes.

There is no equivalence here.

 

[bobholly39]

The quantity of that happening for Crosby is far more egregious.

For example, in 2006, Ovechkin was inarguably better than Crosby and Crosby was not even a top 5 player, yet somehow Crosby got 26 first place votes to Ovechkin's 13 (I voted Jagr).

Same goes for 2008 when Ovechkin had the best season this side of the lockout (or at least until 2023). He was indisputably better than Crosby, yet Crosby got 39 homer votes.

There is no equivalence here.

Always with the victim complex. This has been explained.

2006 - the title/wording of polls was ambiguous in the first few polls, and some people questioned if this was 2006 calendar year (where Crosby probably deserves votes) vs the 05-06 or 06-07 season. Im sure that led to some votes.

2008 - Ovechkin better season. Better player? Crosby was pacing Ovechkin for points till injury - and then did better when he returned for playoffs. I voted Ovechkin too, but Crosby is #2 and there's at least some logic here.

 

[wetcoast]

Always with the victim complex. This has been explained.

2006 - the title/wording of polls was ambiguous in the first few polls, and some people questioned if this was 2006 calendar year (where Crosby probably deserves votes) vs the 05-06 or 06-07 season. Im sure that led to some votes.

2008 - Ovechkin better season. Better player? Crosby was pacing Ovechkin for points till injury - and then did better when he returned for playoffs. I voted Ovechkin too, but Crosby is #2 and there's at least some logic here.

There is also that "down" year, relatively speaking in 06-07 with Ovi but you are right the poster you are referring too is inconsistent with logic and really has tunneled vision for the guy living rent free in his head...there must be well over 1000 posts by him where this is clear to see.

 

[Midnight Judges]

Always with the victim complex. This has been explained.

2006 - the title/wording of polls was ambiguous in the first few polls, and some people questioned if this was 2006 calendar year (where Crosby probably deserves votes) vs the 05-06 or 06-07 season. Im sure that led to some votes.

There is no level of ambiguity that makes Crosby - with 39 goals and 102 points - better than Jagr with 54 goals and 123 points.

You are making excuses for rank homerism.

 

[blundluntman]

There is no level of ambiguity that makes Crosby - with 39 goals and 102 points - better than Jagr with 54 goals and 123 points.

You are making excuses for rank homerism.

It's almost like you purposely ignored what he said just to be argumentative. He literally said people confused the wording in the 06 poll and thought it was the calendar year. I was one of those people who made that mistake bc Crosby actually outproduced everybody that calendar year. I don't think anybody actually would argue Crosby was better during the 05-06 season.

 

[Midnight Judges]

It's almost like you purposely ignored what he said just to be argumentative. He literally said people confused the wording in the 06 poll and thought it was the calendar year. I was one of those people who made that mistake bc Crosby actually outproduced everybody that calendar year. I don't think anybody actually would argue Crosby was better during the 05-06 season.

Of course they would. They do it constantly.

See 2008, 2009, 2010, 2012, 2016, etc.

I believe you that you sincerely thought it was calendar year. Unfortunately, the Crosby crowd has a very long history of simply changing poll questions into what they desire in order to answer Crosby. So I don't buy it for most of the people.

 

[wetcoast]

Of course they would. They do it constantly.

Yes people do evaluate differently on what they see at any given time

See 2008, 2009, 2010, 2012, 2016, etc.

2006 is different than any of these other years right?

I believe you that you sincerely thought it was calendar year. Unfortunately, the Crosby crowd has a very long history of simply changing poll questions into what they desire in order to answer Crosby. So I don't buy it for most of the people.

You are really getting hung up on a single year then claiming it as a false equivalency for other years.

But then again that's pretty consistent in your inconsistency.

Crosby also got 17% of the vote that year and most people, myself included had Thornton #1 (he got 30.9%) but it wasn't a clear year really.

 

[norrisnick]

2006 was the 8th poll in the series of polls. A series of polls where the point of what the year in the title meant was addressed in every thread. If you hadn't figured it out by the 8th thread, maybe you shouldn't be voting in it.

 

[wetcoast]

2006 was the 8th poll in the series of polls. A series of polls where the point of what the year in the title meant was addressed in every thread. If you hadn't figured it out by the 8th thread, maybe you shouldn't be voting in it.

Oh the irony here.

 

[norrisnick]

Oh the irony here.

The irony that I understand that 2006 in the thread title means 2005-2006 and not 2007-2014? That irony?

 

[wetcoast]

The irony that I understand that 2006 in the thread title means 2005-2006 and not 2007-2014? That irony?

Literally no one is using what will happen in the future for any given year.

The irony is that the OP asked a specific question and it wasn't which player had the best season.

 

[norrisnick]

Literally no one is using what will happen in the future for any given year.

The irony is that the OP asked a specific question and it wasn't which player had the best season.

Right... How'd that 2007 poll turn out again?

 

[bobholly39]

There is no level of ambiguity that makes Crosby - with 39 goals and 102 points - better than Jagr with 54 goals and 123 points.

You are making excuses for rank homerism.

Are you just auto-replying without actually reading the posts you respond to?

Calendar year 2006 - highest scorer is Crosby. That is the ambiguity i was refering to.

 

[wetcoast]

Right... How'd that 2007 poll turn out again?

Well here are the results.....

Best player in the world: 2007

It was a very close race between Thornton and Jagr but Jumbo Joe won it. 2007 (06/07 season) is next. Previous polls: 1998 (62% 1 Hasek, 2 Jagr, 3 Forsberg) 1999 (48% 1 Jagr, 2 Hasek, 3 Forsberg) 2000 (72% 1 Jagr, 2 Pronger, 3 Bure) 2001 (33% 1 Lemieux, 2 Sakic, 3 Jagr) 2002 (36% 1 Iginla, 2...

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[norrisnick]

Well here are the results.....

Best player in the world: 2007

It was a very close race between Thornton and Jagr but Jumbo Joe won it. 2007 (06/07 season) is next. Previous polls: 1998 (62% 1 Hasek, 2 Jagr, 3 Forsberg) 1999 (48% 1 Jagr, 2 Hasek, 3 Forsberg) 2000 (72% 1 Jagr, 2 Pronger, 3 Bure) 2001 (33% 1 Lemieux, 2 Sakic, 3 Jagr) 2002 (36% 1 Iginla, 2...

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Wild turn out for a "best season" situation...

 

[Midnight Judges]

Are you just auto-replying without actually reading the posts you respond to?

Calendar year 2006 - highest scorer is Crosby. That is the ambiguity i was refering to.

It wasn't ambiguous though in version 8 of this poll.

There was no particular confusion until the Crosby crowd desired it.

 

[wetcoast]

Wild turn out for a "best season" situation...

Sure.

 

[norrisnick]

Sure.

What do you mean sure? Thornton and Jagr were the established top dogs in the league. Crosby's '07 was just a really strong best season. Very Patrick Kane-esque, if you will.

 

[wetcoast]

What do you mean sure? Thornton and Jagr were the established top dogs in the league. Crosby's '07 was just a really strong best season. Very Patrick Kane-esque, if you will.

We have covered this ground before.

The year before Crosby was a rookie on a really weak team and scored 102 points and went to the WC and dominated to the same level that Joe Thornton did the year before.

IMO Crosby passed him that year but if others thought Joe was still the guy it's no sweat off my back.

 

[norrisnick]

We have covered this ground before.

The year before Crosby was a rookie on a really weak team and scored 102 points and went to the WC and dominated to the same level that Joe Thornton did the year before.

IMO Crosby passed him that year but if others thought Joe was still the guy it's no sweat off my back.

So he wasn't nearly as good as Joe in 06 and barely outscored him the following year and didn't even have a stronger playoff either. Make it make sense for Crosby to get the nod here in light of all the other situations where that would be ignored as merely being a "best season" with the established best player still being considered the best. Over half his points were on the PP no less.