Confirmed with Link: Bertuzzi traded to Boston for 2024 1st & 2025 4th

[TheOctopusKid]

Does anyone have any idea what he was asking for?

One thing I like is that the pick is 2024.
Rumors that both Pasta and Krecji could retire.
If so, Bruins are f***ed.

Speculation: If I were Bertuzzi's agent - the realistic pitch is this "Look, this is likely your only real major UFA contract your'e going to get and we both know how hard and good you are, so lets swing for the fences because tomorrow your back could go out, and if you're on an Yzerman 3yr bridge deal, you're taking all the risk! Look at Oshie! Look at Dustin Brown! Look at Hyman! You're comparable to all of those guys! 6 for 36 is min what we should be asking for but lets start high with 7 for 40, because that's what Hyman got and his resume is less than yours and see what they react with!"

I have to imagine that was where they started from and Stevie came in prudently at a 3-4 year deal and they were just way too off and walked from the talks in December.

and yes, the Bruins are going to be f***ed which makes that 24 or 25 pick very very attractive to me because it gives us another nice big swing at a high quality player when we are realistically out of the lotto. I like the offset of years on the pick

 

[Run the Jewels]

Does anyone have any idea what he was asking for?

One thing I like is that the pick is 2024.
Rumors that both Pasta and Krecji could retire.
If so, Bruins are f***ed.

Pasta signed a new deal today. Berergon and Krecji are believed to be ready to retire after this season. They do not appear to have any depth at center after this season.

 

[lilidk]

This video is for Bert haters

 

[The Red Line]

Don’t care they traded Bertuzzi because he barely plays but we seem to be in the same spot every year. Is this team even getting better?

I don't think they're really in the same spot. I don't recall them being anywhere near a playoff spot the past few years. Even if they've waved the white flag this year, I don't know how anyone could look at this season and not see that it's a step in the right direction compared to previous seasons.

 

[Filppula]

This video is for Bert haters

Wow, raw emotion. Hockey, sport, is brutal. I wanted Bertuzzi to be re-signed, I’m pretty bummed.

 

[Big Poppa Puck]

Can't complain about the return for a player that looked like he was probably walking. I'll take the 1st and the 4th now rather than just the 4th for negotiating rights in June.

 

[14ari13]

What makes you think this was impulsive on Yzerman's part?

It is difficult to discuss Yzerman's moves as the posters on the board think he can do no wrong. So I will wait to elaborate what I think he does right and wrong.

Anyhow, the big whole for us has been the right side on the 3rd pair and Chiarot.
After Seider and Hronek, Osterle, Lindstrom and Hagg struggled to survive.
Chiarot for whatever reason struggles to find chemistry with both Seider and Hronek, and now after one game with Maatta too as they finish the team's worst-3 and -2. This putting Chiarot to -25. The next worst is -12 and the team best is +17. The difference is enormous. I doubt we have ever seen and will ever see so huge disparity as this, -25 and +17.

Is Chiarot Yzerman's or Lalonde's fault? Or both?

Furthermore, on the left side we have Walman, Chiarot, Maatta, Edvidsson and +++, or if you like Edvidsson, Walman, Chiarot, Maatta and +++, while on the right side we have Seider and Hronek, and then a big whole, and Yzerman decides to trade Hronek. Hronek who has just had maybe the best season of his career and has been our best player along with Larkin for us last 5 years. It seemed like he was about to establish himself as a core player.
From the financial point trading Hronek makes a lot of sense as does Bertuzzi. But did Yzerman screw it up with the deals to Walman, Chiarot and Maatta on the left side when he has Seider, Hronek and Edvidsson waiting for their money not so far down the road?

 

[Bench]

The next worst is -12 and the team best is +17. The difference is enormous. I doubt we have ever seen and will ever see so huge disparity as this, -25 and +17.

So a spread of 42 in the 2023 season. Here's other Wings seasons.

2022: 34
2021: 21
2020: 48

Ah beans it only took me 3 seasons of fact checking to best this historic event. And yes, it was AA bottoming out that 2020 year, lol. He was -45 all by himself in only 46 games.

Also, man, I dunno about this +/- argument. It's largely influenced by usage.

 

[14ari13]

So a spread of 42 in the 2023 season. Here's other Wings seasons.

2022: 34
2021: 21
2020: 48

Ah beans it only took me 3 seasons of fact checking to best this historic event. And yes, it was AA bottoming out that 2020 year, lol. He was -45 all by himself in only 46 games.

Also, man, I dunno about this +/- argument. It's largely influenced by usage.

Well I didn't use any fact checking and I have no slightest intention. I have been on these boards long enough to know that no facts can beat strawman arguments.
This season is not over so 42 might easily grow to 55 or is like 55 in 82 games.
This team is far superior to the teams you mentioned so -42 this season is like -80 the seasons you listed.

 

[Roy S]

It’s not just +- with Chiarot. It is also a multi year history across different teams of bleeding shots against and scoring chances against when he’s on the ice and, for this year specifically, he tanks whatever pairing he’s on. Everyone plays better without him and everyone plays worse with him. Seider-Chiarot was maybe the worst top pairing in the NHL and now Seider-Walkman are great. Hronek had a career year and then his numbers fell off a cliff when he was paired with Chiarot. Maatta has had a decent year but when paired with Chiarot, they will get trounced. They did tonight, even with a goal by Chiarot, they were still a team worst in goals and shots against and were constantly stuck in their own end. I think the #1 priority this off-season is to get rid of him. The team will be instantly better off the second that happens even if it’s a buyout. For the rest of this year, I guess he helps the tank so that the Wings can get a top 10 pick and at least have a 3% chance or whatever at Bedard.

 

[Pavels Dog]

Well I didn't use any fact checking

Yeah, we know.

 

[K1900L]

Losing Bertuzzi sucks, one of the few guys who was able to bring spirit each game, always battled for the puck and didn't shy away from dropping the gloves to defend his team mates while simultaneously being very good offensively.
Don't care about the return or some opinions about him, he was clearly one of us and Dylan's reaction proves this.

 

[Henkka]

Boston CAP HELL for next season.

Capfiendly shows 10.5M in space with 14 contracts.

BUT

That's not a real number. Capfriendly does not count Bergeron's 2.5M bonus and Krejci's 2.0M bonus in here yet. They have already reached those bonus conditions. Both bonuses will slide to 2023-24 cap.

So real cap space is only 6 million !

And they have only 14 contracts signes in this calculation.

8 contracts more, each 750k per contract would fill that 6.0M remaining capspace to get somewhat playable 22-man roster.

Swayman is getting a raise etc. They can't give the raise without extra moves.

Team will for sure be WEAK, if they just add 750k players.

Also team sor sure be WEAK, if they'll start trading expensive quality players like Taylor Hall out, to create cap space.

BUT, they don't fall on the bottom. Won't believe they could reach Bottom10 for the 1st round protection. Pretty much they will be at playoff hunt, probably at 15th-20 worst. And that will be the pick height Red Wings will get from the trade.

 

[Stony Curtis]

What an opportunity for Bert to rehab his FA value. If he can be an important part of a great team going deep into the playoffs or even maybe win a Cup, I'll bet his offers will look a little better. You'll be getting a 100% motivated Bert.

 

[Henkka]

What an opportunity for Bert to rehab his FA value. If he can be an important part of a great team going deep into the playoffs or even maybe win a Cup, I'll bet his offers will look a little better. You'll be getting a 100% motivated Bert.

Think Bert will go to 3rd like to add some skill there.

Last night roster, which did blew Buffalo 7-1:

Marchand - Bergeron - Debrusk
Zacha - Krejci - Pastrnak

That top6 is gelling just too good, so Tuzzi won't get a good playmaker on his line. But he could the playmaker for Coyle.

Greer - Coyle - Frederic <-- insert Taylor Hall and Bertuzzi in here at the playoffs.
Lauko - Nosek - Hathaway <-- insert Foligno (when healthy) instead of Lauko.

It's a sick group of offence:

Marchand - Bergeron - Debrusk
Zacha - Krejci - Pastrnak
Hall - Coyle - Bertuzzi
Foligno - Nosek - Hathaway

(Greer, Lauko, Frederic)

 

[Retire91]

This video is for Bert haters

We just got the video a little early, would have had the same video when Bert walked for nothing. Won't be surprised if he walks on Boston.

 

[Dtybur]

I'm feeling whiplash over the last 2 weeks. Playoff contender to potentially tanking our way to another top 10 pick in the draft.
Just speaking as a fan, I'm disappointed in this rebuild timeline, being extended even further. I was hoping that a Bertuzzi trad would have netted a high level prospect, to fill the gap in our lineup.
I wouldn't presume to know much about the inner workings of the Yzerplan. But am I the only one who's patience is wearing thin?

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

He has done good things in the past.

This year he has 4 goals in the 29 games he has played. We made it into wild card position without him. I'm over him.

If Vrana gets back into form (BIG "IF") then we won't even miss Bert.

So uh, your mom and I have been meaning to talk to you about Vrana…

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

It is difficult to discuss Yzerman's moves as the posters on the board think he can do no wrong. So I will wait to elaborate what I think he does right and wrong.

Anyhow, the big whole for us has been the right side on the 3rd pair and Chiarot.
After Seider and Hronek, Osterle, Lindstrom and Hagg struggled to survive.
Chiarot for whatever reason struggles to find chemistry with both Seider and Hronek, and now after one game with Maatta too as they finish the team's worst-3 and -2. This putting Chiarot to -25. The next worst is -12 and the team best is +17. The difference is enormous. I doubt we have ever seen and will ever see so huge disparity as this, -25 and +17.

Is Chiarot Yzerman's or Lalonde's fault? Or both?

Furthermore, on the left side we have Walman, Chiarot, Maatta, Edvidsson and +++, or if you like Edvidsson, Walman, Chiarot, Maatta and +++, while on the right side we have Seider and Hronek, and then a big whole, and Yzerman decides to trade Hronek. Hronek who has just had maybe the best season of his career and has been our best player along with Larkin for us last 5 years. It seemed like he was about to establish himself as a core player.
From the financial point trading Hronek makes a lot of sense as does Bertuzzi. But did Yzerman screw it up with the deals to Walman, Chiarot and Maatta on the left side when he has Seider, Hronek and Edvidsson waiting for their money not so far down the road?

This is all well and good but I asked what makes you think this was impulsive on Yzerman's part?

That's a completely different question than "do you think he's made any mistakes?"

You may disagree with some of the moves he's made, but it's extremely unlikely he's doing them on a whim.

 

[jaster]

This is all well and good but I asked what makes you think this was impulsive on Yzerman's part?

That's a completely different question than "do you think he's made any mistakes?"

You may disagree with some of the moves he's made, but it's extremely unlikely he's doing them on a whim.

If there's one GM in the league I would say doesn't do things impulsively, it's Steve Yzerman. That man probably has a spreadsheet for how he wants the team to look in 2050.

 

[14ari13]

This is all well and good but I asked what makes you think this was impulsive on Yzerman's part?

That's a completely different question than "do you think he's made any mistakes?"

You may disagree with some of the moves he's made, but it's extremely unlikely he's doing them on a whim.

I often speak my mind and I don't care if I say something unpopular. MOD. So if I say something unpopular about Yzerman then the hell breaks loose.

I don't know what Yzerman and Lalonde thought of the Ottawa games, but I thought they were 8 point games for Ottawa, but 4/5 point games for us. The Sens played the game like it was a game 7. The game was won by the refs. There were at least 3/4 calls they didn't call them for.
I think Lalonde lost game 2. We had 8 PPs but we managed only 17 shots, no PP goal, 1 SH goal against. And we got humiliated and embarrassed.
Lalonde didn't take a timeout, he didn't pull the goalie, he started wrong goalies in both games, obviously, he messed up with Hagg and Lindstrom.

I think Yzerman should wait til the end of season to trade Hronek or next trade deadline.

 

[14ari13]

Yeah, we know.

Quote the whole sentence.

Well I didn't use any fact checking and I have no slightest intention. I have been on these boards long enough to know that no facts can beat strawman arguments.

Just a fool thinks that the facts can beat the strawman arguments.

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

I often speak my mind and I don't care if I say something unpopular. MOD. So if I say something unpopular about Yzerman then the hell breaks loose.

I don't know what Yzerman and Lalonde thought of the Ottawa games, but I thought they were 8 point games for Ottawa, but 4/5 point games for us. The Sens played the game like it was a game 7. The game was won by the refs. There were at least 3/4 calls they didn't call them for.
I think Lalonde lost game 2. We had 8 PPs but we managed only 17 shots, no PP goal, 1 SH goal against. And we got humiliated and embarrassed.
Lalonde didn't take a timeout, he didn't pull the goalie, he started wrong goalies in both games, obviously, he messed up with Hagg and Lindstrom.

I think Yzerman should wait til the end of season to trade Hronek or next trade deadline.

Ok I'm not sure if you're confusing me with someone else or have some other issue with me.

I have zero problem with you saying unpopular things. Or thinking Yzerman has made mistakes. I was merely pushing back on the fairly minor point that you thought that his moves were impulsive and reactionary.

it's all good.

 

[MBH]

I often speak my mind and I don't care if I say something unpopular. MOD. So if I say something unpopular about Yzerman then the hell breaks loose.

I don't know what Yzerman and Lalonde thought of the Ottawa games, but I thought they were 8 point games for Ottawa, but 4/5 point games for us. The Sens played the game like it was a game 7. The game was won by the refs. There were at least 3/4 calls they didn't call them for.
I think Lalonde lost game 2. We had 8 PPs but we managed only 17 shots, no PP goal, 1 SH goal against. And we got humiliated and embarrassed.
Lalonde didn't take a timeout, he didn't pull the goalie, he started wrong goalies in both games, obviously, he messed up with Hagg and Lindstrom.

I think Yzerman should wait til the end of season to trade Hronek or next trade deadline.

The problem is, Detroit should have treated those games like Game 7.
And maybe they did.
Maybe they started treating games like Game 7 3 weeks ago - and they just ran out of juice.


Larkin came back from the all-star game pumped.
He and Husso are why the team climbed back into the race.
7 games 7-6-13 25 shots. -1.
Since then:
6 games 0-2-2 13 shots -4

Ottawa might do the same (get back in the race and then falter). We'll see.

 

[14ari13]

Ok I'm not sure if you're confusing me with someone else or have some other issue with me.

I have zero problem with you saying unpopular things. Or thinking Yzerman has made mistakes. I was merely pushing back on the fairly minor point that you thought that his moves were impulsive and reactionary.

it's all good.

I was speaking in general, not you.
And I say it straight as I see it. But I don't try to be rude, I just express what I see and think. I don't hesitate to criticise Yzerman, Seider, Lidstrom....
I think Yzerman, Lalonde, Seider... will make mistakes, but that is the process of learning.

I say that I never ever read anything about the prospects. For me hockey is hitting, scoring, fighting, excitement. I don't get paid by the wings organisation to spend several hours on the internet and study hockey.