Bennett hit on Stolarz (no supplemental discipline) MOD WARNING IN POST #621

[ThrowDemTongs]

Holy shit. I DID ask for toxicity

 

[Edmonton East]

There were literally people referring to the fact that he kept playing after the intermission as evidence that the shot didn't hurt him.

Obviously BS?

Yup, obviously BS statistic. At least you read the "study" finally. Kinda surprising you still wanna die on this hill after doing so though.

A headshake after a hit/object to the head does indicate a concussion 72% of the time. How do I know that? Because I have common sense. Reminder, the direct bs statistic you keep defending: "25 seconds after the hit he did a SHAAKE (Spontaneous Headshake after a Kinematic Event) which predicts concussion 72% of the time". That isn't what that study proves. At all.

On any topic of research, blatantly biased/manipulated/agenda driven studies or misrepresentations/conclusions from said studies, actually damage future legitimate progress in a given field/topic.

Mind you, again, I actually agree the shot likely caused the initial concussion. But bringing in obviously trash "science"/"statistics" discredits that viewpoint. No reason to do so. Appeal to authority fallacy.

 

[Three On Zero]

It was in the paint, very clearly.

You may want to look again, it was clearly made outside the crease.

 

[sampollock]

sadly the fig coaching staff did not respect the hit, they put him back out there

 

[Draiskull]

I would think so. You could probably send Domi in there thrice as hard and it's still not enough to warrant this sort of outrage

Done.
Dont complain when it happens.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Holy shit. I DID ask for toxicity

He thought that the cycle of toxicity and banter was for one day only

He MAD!!!

 

[Kranix]

Does same mean different in your world?

Stolarz has a 34 game pedigree in a position that is voodoo. I'm not going to say it's a huge blow that one of the Leafs' prior-to-this-season fringe goalies might be out. Of course, if the Leafs lose, it will be the excuse, as if their Hasek was shot and killed by Bennett and the league conspired to not punish him for it.

 

[RedHawkDown]

Yup, obviously BS statistic. At least you read the "study" finally. Kinda surprising you still wanna die on this hill after doing so though.

A headshake after a hit/object to the head does indicate a concussion 72% of the time. How do I know that? Because I have common sense. Reminder, the direct bs statistic you keep defending: "25 seconds after the hit he did a SHAAKE (Spontaneous Headshake after a Kinematic Event) which predicts concussion 72% of the time". That isn't what that study proves. At all.

On any topic of research, blatantly biased/manipulated/agenda driven studies or misrepresentations/conclusions from said studies, actually damage future legitimate progress in a given field/topic.

Mind you, again, I actually agree the shot likely caused the initial concussion. But bringing in obviously trash "science"/"statistics" discredits that viewpoint. No reason to do so. Appeal to authority fallacy.

What is the agenda? What is the manipulation? Can you actually point to anything that indicates something was manipulated instead of just parroting this nonsense over and over?

Your repeated assertion that you have "common sense" is quite literally meaningless. The study, in their own study cohort, actually exactly proves the statement "SHAAKE (Spontaneous Headshake after a Kinematic Event) which predicts concussion 72% of the time", because, in their cohort, that is literally what it did. 72% was the PPV in that study, and that is the definition of PPV...

Now you can argue that we need to see much larger studies and validate this in (ideally) a prospective cohort before saying that it's generalizable as a sign, but the 72% number is not manipulated in the slightest lol.

It's hilarious that people "thinking for themselves" just consists of calling things BS and proclaiming "common sense" as their basis for an opinion. Translation - you are totally making shit up and asserting it as fact.

 

[Pepper]

Probably been here already but Button nailed it

https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/button-i-dont-expect-supplementary-discipline-for-bennetts-hit-o~3127945

 

[mobilus]

You may want to look again, it was clearly made outside the crease.

Stolarz was inside the crease.

 

[BTO]

Yawn. Welcome the 2nd round. Didn’t see this outrage when Bennett cheap-shotted Marchand last year. But now the leaf media is all aghast. Anyway, can’t wait till the Canadian media’s golden boy Matthew Tkachuk does something even worse and they finally turn on him too. ‘Bout time.

Edit: Also, y’all love Craig Berube but his 2019 St. Louis Blues were even worse.

 

[Edmonton East]

What is the agenda? What is the manipulation? Can you actually point to anything that indicates something was manipulated instead of just parroting this nonsense over and over?

Your repeated assertion that you have "common sense" is quite literally meaningless. The study, in their own study cohort, actually exactly proves the statement "SHAAKE (Spontaneous Headshake after a Kinematic Event) which predicts concussion 72% of the time", because, in their cohort, that is literally what it did.

Now you can argue that we need to see much larger studies and validate this in (ideally) a prospective cohort before saying that it's generalizable as a sign, but the 72% number is not manipulated in the slightest lol.

It's hilarious that people "thinking for themselves" just consists of calling things BS and proclaiming "common sense" as their basis for an opinion. Translation - you are totally making shit up and asserting it as fact.

Nope, that's not what the study proves at all. READ THE ACTUAL STUDY. Several of us have pointed this out already. Enough. You already hilariously tried to make this political somehow so this won't be a worthwhile convo, but feel free to direct message if ya want.

 

[Three On Zero]

Stolarz was inside the crease.

And contact was made outside the crease, that’s what matters

 

[Shrimper]

That would be a penalty in the regular season

It should be a penalty in the play-offs

The NHL has never done enough for player suspensions in the play offs

 

[mobilus]

I don't get smacked in the head, but there's contact, in the corners, in front of the net, etc. It happens. Sticks flying, etc.

Bennett's contact was situational, and yes, that happens all the time in hockey.

"He didn't mean it so it doesn't count."

 

[I Hate Blake Coleman]

No discipline is puzzling, if only because you'd think the league would like to avoid a brawl in Game 2.

 

[Thallis]

There were literally people referring to the fact that he kept playing after the intermission as evidence that the shot didn't hurt him.

Obviously BS?

Mass General Brigham and Concussion Legacy Foundation Scientists Identify New Concussion Sign

A new concussion sign identified by Mass General Brigham and Concussion Legacy Foundation scientists could identify up to 33% of undiagnosed concussions.

www.massgeneralbrigham.org

"For the study, 347 current and former athletes between the ages of 18 and 29 were surveyed. They were shown video examples of SHAAKEs and asked about their experiences with them. 69% reported exhibiting a SHAAKE, and 93% of those reported a SHAAKE in association with concussion at least once. Athletes reported exhibiting SHAAKEs a median of five times in their lives."

"The three most common reasons athletes reported for exhibiting a SHAAKE were “disorientation or confusion” (25%), “a feeling like you needed to jumpstart your brain” (23%), and “changes to your perception of space or perception of your body in space” (14%). Other reasons athletes reported for exhibiting a SHAAKE associated with a concussion included headache, dizziness, inability to keep their train of thought, and changes to vision, hearing, or balance. Reasons athletes exhibited a SHAAKE that are not associated with concussion include neck pain, chills, pain that was not a headache, and an emotional reaction to the preceding event."

The data is far from perfect, but the data they have certainly suggests a very high correlation between SHAAKE and concussion.

Calling that motion a SHAAKE is 100% speculative. Goalies do that motion to adjust their masks all the time without taking any hits.

 

[izlez]

https://www.npr.org/2022/02/09/1079747879/bob-saget-death-cause

Nothing play from Bennett but still this comment is just not true

It can't both be a "nothing play from Bennett" and also "all minor blows to the back of the head are a big deal".

 

[Antiramie]

Stolarz has a 34 game pedigree in a position that is voodoo. I'm not going to say it's a huge blow that one of the Leafs' prior-to-this-season fringe goalies might be out. Of course, if the Leafs lose, it will be the excuse, as if their Hasek was shot and killed by Bennett and the league conspired to not punish him for it.

Stolarz has a career SV% that would be 5th for this season. Woll would be tied 9-11th.

Stolarz has a career GAA that would be 9th for this season. Woll would be 27th.

Stolarz averages a shutout every 10 games he starts. Woll is every 38 games.

Give our regards to bizarro world for thinking a significant downgrade in goaltending isn't a huge blow to a team's playoff success.

 

[Sheppy]

They'll find a new angle 2 days from now like they did when he punched Marchand.

"Oh yeah, that actually was kind of bad"

 

[I Hate Blake Coleman]

"He didn't mean it so it doesn't count."

Plenty of incidental contact is let go. Binnington took a knee to the head. No suspension or penalty. It happens in a game as fast as hockey.

They can't call every single physical incident, nor should they.

 

[Uber Coca]

Never thought I'd wish for a Toronto series win, but here we are.

Panthers are despicable but let's be real, they do bring entertainment. Hopefully the Leafs make Bennett pay. A series win would be the greatest revenge, but hopefully some pain is provided as well.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

It can't both be a "nothing play from Bennett" and also "all minor blows to the back of the head are a big deal".

Blows to the back of the head can be dangerous without Bennett needing a suspension

Driving is dangerous but we don’t ban cars do we?

 

[Gregor Samsa]

Playoff hockey+an injury+some physical contact+the Maple Leafs = 1000 page thread?

 

[Crocket]

slow motion makes it look less severe. That's a head shot.