Bennett hit on Stolarz (no supplemental discipline) MOD WARNING IN POST #621

[Martin Skoula]

What is the agenda? What is the manipulation? Can you actually point to anything that indicates something was manipulated instead of just parroting this nonsense over and over?

Your repeated assertion that you have "common sense" is quite literally meaningless. The study, in their own study cohort, actually exactly proves the statement "SHAAKE (Spontaneous Headshake after a Kinematic Event) which predicts concussion 72% of the time", because, in their cohort, that is literally what it did.

Now you can argue that we need to see much larger studies and validate this in (ideally) a prospective cohort before saying that it's generalizable as a sign, but the 72% number is not manipulated in the slightest lol.

It's hilarious that people "thinking for themselves" just consists of calling things BS and proclaiming "common sense" as their basis for an opinion. Translation - you are totally making shit up and asserting it as fact.

We have 95% of all documented concussions in the league recorded in 4K with slow-mo replays and follow up documentation of how severe they were in terms of recovery time. Surely spending a weekend going through footage of known verified concussions to spot a SHAAKE would yield a bigger and higher quality sample size than asking people if they REMEMBER something minor and specific happening to them physically during a brain trauma event that is specifically known for distorting memories.

 

[Thallis]

And contact was made outside the crease, that’s what matters

Confidently incorrect

 

[mobilus]

And contact was made outside the crease, that’s what matters

Stolarz was inside the crease when contact was made, therefore (and this may seem unbelievable to you) contact happened inside the crease. The fact Bennett's feet are outside the crease is irrelevant, because his feet weren't the body part making contact.

 

[TheGroceryStick]

Kadri dodged a bullet on this one.

 

[RedHawkDown]

We have 95% of all documented concussions in the league recorded in 4K with slow-mo replays and follow up documentation of how severe they were in terms of recovery time. Surely spending a weekend going through footage of known verified concussions to spot a SHAAKE would yield a bigger and higher quality sample size than asking people if they REMEMBER something minor and specific happening to them physically during a brain trauma event that is specifically known for distorting memories.

And that's a very fair criticism of the study. Again, documented concussions are not the point, because concussions are highly under-diagnosed, and so there are likely many that have not been documented. But if you wanted to accept that limitation, then absolutely, the study you describe would be far better to eliminate recall bias as a source of confounding.

 

[Antiramie]

Blows to the back of the head can be dangerous without Bennett needing a suspension

Driving is dangerous but we don’t ban cars do we?

Yea you get suspended/banned and/our your insurance skyrockets if you constantly hit other things with your car.

You serious, Clark?

 

[snag]

I was expecting something far worse tbh. But guys don't just leave games like that so obviously something there. And if you are going to take head contact seriously....take it seriously.

That said....I hope these two teams pound the ever loving shit out of each other

 

[RedHawkDown]

Nope, that's not what the study proves at all. READ THE ACTUAL STUDY. Several of us have pointed this out already. Enough. You already hilariously tried to make this political somehow so this won't be a worthwhile convo, but feel free to direct message if ya want.

Yes, it is. I read the study in its entirety. Do you have any way to refute this other than just repeatedly stating the same thing over and over?

Multiple people in this thread being blatantly unable to understand a scientific study isn't evidence that you're all right.

Since you are so sure you understand the study, can you explain to me what the 72% statistic in the study does represent? Since you keep claiming the dude on Twitter was manipulating it. OK, in that case, what is the true meaning of the statistic?

 

[Blue and Green]

You may want to look again, it was clearly made outside the crease.

In the paint, very clearly.

 

[Beliveau]

Poor guy. Some people like supplemental discipline.

 

[AD1066]

The guy isn't right in the head. There are guys who play with passion or an edge or whatever you want to call it, and then there's someone like Bennett, who has no regard for other players.

I remember him boarding Coleman at full speed during the playoffs a few years back. Skated half the offensive zone and then jumped into Coleman's back. He's constantly involved in dangerous plays and injuries to other players. I'm surprised someone hasn't taken matters into their own hands yet.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Yea you get suspended/banned and/our your insurance skyrockets if you constantly hit other things with your car.

You serious, Clark?

Literally all I said was that hitting the back of your head is dangerous and you’re still arguing with me?

 

[Legion34]

Of course you know better than a neuroscientist who is an expert in the area of head injuries.

1.) a neuroscientist is completely unqualified to make a medical diagnosis.


2.)A neuroscientist who knows nothing about the game and isn’t studying equipment can make a mistake. That happens all the time. Goalies test their masks and shake them off.

It’s not at all the same as any other helmet.

It happens every single game.

 

[Golden_Jet]

It was in the paint, very clearly.

Stolarz was in the blue paint Bennett was in the white paint, but Stolarz was leaning forward.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Calling that motion a SHAAKE is 100% speculative. Goalies do that motion to adjust their masks all the time without taking any hits.

He didn't have the mask on, and hadn't even remotely begun the process of putting it back on.

Dude took a heavy wrist shot to the jaw. That's gonna cause a lot of concussions.

 

[RedHawkDown]

1.) a neuroscientist is completely unqualified to make a medical diagnosis.


2.)A neuroscientist who knows nothing about the game and isn’t studying equipment can make a mistake. That happens all the time. Goalies test their masks and shake them off.

It’s not at all the same as any other helmet.

It happens every single game.

A neuroscientist studying the medical diagnosis of concussions is certainly more qualified to make one than the dudes in this thread, lol.

 

[Three On Zero]

In the paint, very clearly. View attachment 1030832

Thank you for showing it was outside the crease, appreciate it

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Stolarz was in the blue paint Bennett was in the white paint, but Stolarz was leaning forward.

So the contact was in the paint. Glad we all came to a conclusion on this.

 

[Thallis]

He didn't have the mask on, and hadn't even remotely begun the process of putting it back on.

Dude took a heavy wrist shot to the jaw. That's gonna cause a lot of concussions.

Do you have a video of what you're referring to? The original one posted in the thread was the motion with the helmet afaik

 

[Three On Zero]

Stolarz was inside the crease when contact was made, therefore (and this may seem unbelievable to you) contact happened inside the crease. The fact Bennett's feet are outside the crease is irrelevant, because his feet weren't the body part making contact.

I’m starting to understand why people struggle with what goaltending interference is.

 

[snag]

Never thought I'd wish for a Toronto series win, but here we are.

Panthers are despicable but let's be real, they do bring entertainment. Hopefully the Leafs make Bennett pay. A series win would be the greatest revenge, but hopefully some pain is provided as well.

Agreed on all account.

But I don't want the Leafs coming out of it feeling good either

 

[BTO]

Seems so slight but those new elbow pads are like steel at the end

Yup, the elbow and shoulder pads are a huge problem. Don Cherry has been going on about them for years.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

We have 95% of all documented concussions in the league recorded in 4K with slow-mo replays and follow up documentation of how severe they were in terms of recovery time. Surely spending a weekend going through footage of known verified concussions to spot a SHAAKE would yield a bigger and higher quality sample size than asking people if they REMEMBER something minor and specific happening to them physically during a brain trauma event that is specifically known for distorting memories.

There's definitely going to be some bias in the self reported numbers, this would be a better way of evaluating. They could replicate in football as well.

 

[Thallis]

Thank you for showing it was outside the crease, appreciate it

You do not know the rules.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

I’m starting to understand why people struggle with what goaltending interference is.

You are very wrong but you are committed to it. So congrats on that.