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Anyone who can be part of the team in the 2024 and 2025 seasons, the Bears need them to continue to develop, otherwise, even with a QB, you're searching for talent to build around them.
That's probably a concern that teams have with QBS from loaded programs like OSU where their receivers and OL is so good that the QB has these massive windows to throw to. You can afford to be late on a throw in college. In the NFL, that pass is going to be defended or picked, either by better CB play or the pocket is going to collapse on you before you are set to throw the ball.
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Nice long tweet about how the Broncos adjusted after the first half against Fields.
Romang67
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Wild. Yes, the Bears' D-line sucks, but other than a single season with a strong line and a generally fairly strong front 7, Eberflus's defense simply doesn't generate pressure.
It makes no sense. Ya let’s hire a 60 year old run the ball, defense first head coach that hasn’t been in the nfl in 9 years.
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Reinforces reality they were package deal and that Poles was not some poor victim of a coach he had no say in
Fields was partly responsible, but the coaching staff did no favors either in the 2H. I wonder if Getsy knows how to counter in game adjustments by the defense.
Poles' process to rebuild is fine. He laid a huge egg with Claypool ... no doubt. However, he's far better than Ryan Pace. Eberflus is proving he is way over his head.
The biggest issue is that the McCaskeys giving all the power to Trace Armstrong. It's well known the McCaskeys like and trust him. He's one of the most powerful agents in the business. In fact, there were rumors he was going to be offered the Bears GM job before Poles entered the picture ... no doubt from Trace's approval.
Malaka
you know, **** it, let’s just not think so much
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Your prose here reminds me of fiddy. Are you his burner but the one he decides to be legible/literate on?
The second most likely Chicago bears archetypal story besides trading Fields and watching him become a hall of famer on another team, and stroud not translating
I don't really know what firing Eberflus does at this point. In terms of his performance on the football field, I don't think he's ruining any of the young players of note (Wright, Pickens, Dexter, etc), he's not creating the toxicity in the locker room (the losses are, which are probably gonna happen regardless), and there's not enough players on the team that are long-term building blocks that bad habits/bad culture/etc really become a huge deal. On the other hand, firing him could lead to a morale resurgence and a couple extra meaningless wins, which could be determinantal.
If he totally lost the locker room or was just absolutely hampering young players then sure, but I really don't think that's the case.
If he totally lost the locker room or was just absolutely hampering young players then sure, but I really don't think that's the case.
The Bears will never fire a head coach in the middle of the season unless it's due to extraordinary circumstances. However, it's very possible Eberflus doesn't make it to the 2024 season. Marinelli was a great assistant coach and loved by his players. However, he was a terrible head coach.
Ya I think it’s a foregone conclusion that he’s fired the second week 18 ends. If he’s not, I will probably become a Packers fan.
Panzerspitze
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Oh baloney. Poles told reporters before Game 1 that his rebuild was "75-80%" done. Does this steaming pile of you-know-what look like it only needs 20-25% more to stop stinking? Poles, in particular his arrogance, is a HUGE part of problem. He is currently in hiding about Claypool, and no doubt still in denial about Velus Jones, and the shambles of OL and DL he has handcrafted. Poles drafted Gervon Dexter because of his infatuation with "length", with the idea that he wanted Dexter to unlearn everything done in college. Upshot: In Game 4 Dexter played only 10 snaps (out of 48 Denver offensive plays), while the other DT Pickens played only 9 of the snaps (per Suntimes). The mess on the OL two years running speaks for itself. What celebrated linemen "guru" Poles has turned out to be so far. I'm not even going to go into forsaking Jalen Carter or C.J. Stroud for Darnell Wright because he wanted to boast how he stood his ground getting "value" in free agency on premier linemen and ended up getting nothing on OL (Nate Davis so far, pretty much) and DL (ended up dumpster diving for 50% of the two sacks) while there's practically no cap restraint. Poles being arguably a marginal improvement over Pace is no consolation. A slightly taller midget is still a midget.
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Nope. Poles is in year 2 of a major rebuild. Don't expect 1st years to impact the lines. That's rarely how it works in the NFL. "Value" and "efficiency" are how you rebuild in a hard capped salary era. Otherwise, you do stupid crap like Pace and Bowman. Whether Poles can execute is the question. His process is the right thinking.
By the way, before you crap on Poles ... the Bears might have the 2 picks in the top 5 next year including the top overall pick. And almost everyone agreed giving Fields one more year and getting much back in return for our 1st pick this year. Let's not play Captain Hindsight. And the early read on Darnell Wright ... the Bears hit big time on the rookie tackle.
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He has been outstanding.
Don't Look Now, But Darnell Wright Quietly Ranks Among NFL's Best
Darnell Wright may not make the flashy plays Jalen Carter has, but the Bears rookie tackle has been rapidly ascending.
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It's still very early but Poles so far has been the anti Ryan Pace. Hit on his 1st round pick and whiffed on the later picks (Pace was the opposite). But I might rather have Poles hit on the 1st rounders and miss on the rest of the draft class. Those are the blue chippers.
I have no idea if Poles will execute his plan, but his process is the right one. We have to give him more time.He has been outstanding.
Don't Look Now, But Darnell Wright Quietly Ranks Among NFL's Best
Darnell Wright may not make the flashy plays Jalen Carter has, but the Bears rookie tackle has been rapidly ascending.
It's still very early but Poles so far has been the anti Ryan Pace. Hit on his 1st round pick and whiffed on the later picks (Pace was the opposite). But I might rather have Poles hit on the 1st rounders and miss on the rest of the draft class. Those are the blue chippers.
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Quick Shots: Bears half right; should have fired Pace
Chicago Bears wrong to keep Ryan Pace, their 2nd worst GM in 40 years
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Well, being "better" in draft approaches than Ryan Pace, the second worst Bears GM in the last 40 years record-wise, means little, when the Poles' regime currently sits on a winning percentage less than half of the worst GM (Mark Hatley) over that same period, and would have to go at least a combined 18-29 for the rest of the current season plus the next two, just to best Hatley, or 48-50 for the current+5 more seasons to edge Pace.
Looks quite doable in either case, right? However, it obviously takes more than drafting well to be a winning GM, not that Poles has been stellar in that regard either. The moves Poles has made or not made in other areas as GM make me suspect he'd be lucky to break even with his immediate predecessor.
Does not make sense to hire a Defensive coach when the primary goal of the team is to develop a young QB. You go Defensive, then that HC is reliant on an OC/QB coach combo to work with the offense and get the kid up to speed. How often do Defensive HC hire great OC's?
Struck out on Nagy, but probably should have stayed on the offensive side of the ball on the next HC when the goal is to develop Fields.
And goes without saying that you don't draft a QB in round 1 (and a trade up as well) unless you are sure on your HC for the next 3 years. Have to give that person 3 years to work with a QB.
Struck out on Nagy, but probably should have stayed on the offensive side of the ball on the next HC when the goal is to develop Fields.
And goes without saying that you don't draft a QB in round 1 (and a trade up as well) unless you are sure on your HC for the next 3 years. Have to give that person 3 years to work with a QB.
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It's perfectly fine to scrutinize Poles' execution. He's had his share of mistakes. However, his process is what I agree with. That's how you rebuild. Poles inherited an old team with little talent from Pace... in salary cap hell and bereft of draft picks. 2 years ago, we had no first round picks ... barely any draft picks ... the oldest teams in the NFL ... and I believe the biggest dead cap hit.Quick Shots: Bears half right; should have fired Pace
Chicago Bears wrong to keep Ryan Pace, their 2nd worst GM in 40 years
Well, being "better" in draft approaches than Ryan Pace, the second worst Bears GM in the last 40 years record-wise, means little, when the Poles' regime currently sits on a winning percentage less than half of the worst GM (Mark Hatley) over that same period, and would have to go at least a combined 18-29 for the rest of the current season plus the next two, just to best Hatley, or 48-50 for the current+5 more seasons to edge Pace.
Looks quite doable in either case, right? However, it obviously takes more than drafting well to be a winning GM, not that Poles has been stellar in that regard either. The moves Poles has made or not made in other areas as GM make me suspect he'd be lucky to break even with his immediate predecessor.
Think of where the team started from. That was on Pace. Now, this year has been a disaster. I knew the defense would be bad ... but am thoroughly disappointed by our performance on offense. Poles has to take some blame on that.
Romang67
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If the Panthers' pick remains high, Poles should get his fair share of credit for getting Moore in that trade, instead of a 2025 first rounder.
But his talent evaluation outside of the draft so far is unimpressive. The drafts are too recent to evaluate. I still think the coaching is making the roster look worse than it is. Just Ngakoue should be able to get more than .5 sacks per game.
But his talent evaluation outside of the draft so far is unimpressive. The drafts are too recent to evaluate. I still think the coaching is making the roster look worse than it is. Just Ngakoue should be able to get more than .5 sacks per game.
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Romang67
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Sam Howell has been sacked an insane 24 times in 4 games so far this season. Good chance for the Bears to bring their season total up to 3 sacks in this game.
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If a team is effective running the ball and has a good defense it is still a winning style of play.
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