OT: Bears & NFL Talk 94

[Mrfenn92]

Bears shoulld be able to get a Left Tackle at #9 which would be perfect.

Be amazing if Speed Racer fell to 9 and they got him,

My guess and we will know soon is the bears sign Mike mcclinchey to man the right tackle spot and Braxton jones stays on the left side.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

I think the bears believe they have their left tackle

Yeah Jones was pretty good and was named to All Rookie team

Drafting a LT at #9 when you appear to have found a kid for role permanently would be waste of pick at this point

He was durable but mediocre. They need an upgrade and their is talk of moving Jones to RT.

I would add two tackles and move jones to guard, I am not a fan of his. He is Charles leno Mach 2, a low draft choice that plays just well enough to man the position.

How was he mediocre?

 

[Fortyfives]

If Jones adds some lower body strength to be able to fight off bull rushes he is going to be a rich man.

 

[Behn Wilson]

Yeah Jones was pretty good and was named to All Rookie team

Drafting a LT at #9 when you appear to have found a kid for role permanently would be waste of pick at this point



How was he mediocre?

He is weak and regularly gets run over, Did you see the final game, he got flat out snow plowed like 3 times. He was given the position and performed admirably for a rookie but they need an upgrade. All the commentators on the Score like Thayer have said the Bears need to be better at that key position.

And McGlinchey is huge and a road grader on run blocking but not so good at pass blocking. Not exactly what Fields needs. He would be an improvement over what they have though so we will see. I am hoping for Orlando Brown myself.

 

[ClydeLee]

I don't think even a top pick LT will be better than what Jones should be this year.

He is weak and regularly gets run over, Did you see the final game, he got flat out snow plowed like 3 times. He was given the position and performed admirably for a rookie but they need an upgrade. All the commentators on the Score like Thayer have said the Bears need to be better at that key position.

And McGlinchey is huge and a road grader on run blocking but not so good at pass blocking. Not exactly what Fields needs. He would be an improvement over what they have though so we will see. I am hoping for Orlando Brown myself.

 

[Behn Wilson]

I don't think even a top pick LT will be better than what Jones should be this year.

Disagree but it is just my opinion. He did not pass the eye test to me watching him and I think those PFF grades are worthless across the board. I thought he was awful. First half of year Kmet had to stay in and play next to him and stay in to help block, lost one of our top receiving options because of that.

Bears need a stud LT that they can plug in for a decade. They have went 3 generations in a row on that position w a low round pick in Richmond Webb, Charles Leno, and now Braxton Jones. They need to get an impact player there, it is the most important position on the line.

I am surprised that people thought he was good and a building block. I thought he was just a fill in til they could get a stud there.

 

[hawksrule]

I’d love to get another pick in the 30-40 range.

 

[hawksrule]

Even happier with this trade after a night to think about it. Moore is worth a first rounder, and getting him means that we don’t need to draft a wr with any of the four picks through #64 and can focus exclusively on ol/dl with maybe a lb thrown in.

 

[Illinihockey]

He was durable but mediocre. They need an upgrade and their is talk of moving Jones to RT.

I would add two tackles and move jones to guard, I am not a fan of his. He is Charles leno Mach 2, a low draft choice that plays just well enough to man the position.

That’s fine but poles is a fan of his. He actually was much better than Leno

 

[Illinihockey]

I’d love to get another pick in the 30-40 range.

Moving back from 9 to 15-17 and picking up a mid-second round pick would be great.

 

[southsideIrish]

Even happier with this trade after a night to think about it. Moore is worth a first rounder, and getting him means that we don’t need to draft a wr with any of the four picks through #64 and can focus exclusively on ol/dl with maybe a lb thrown in.

That and good WRs are thin this year through free agency, and they got a very good one thrown in with all the picks. Nicely done.

 

[Behn Wilson]

He actually was much better than Leno

not really

 

[Toews2Bickell]

Carolina might trade down a few spots to recoup assets lol...I mean I guess if they get a nice return from Indy the trade becomes a lot more interesting, assuming they would get Indy 24 1st so its essentially a swap and they maybe get a 25 1st if Indy had that on table but Bears wanted Moore instead. Then Carolina essentially moved from 9th to 4th for Moore and some mid picks, wouldnt be as bad

 

[belfour30]

Great deal for the Bears.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

18 years as Vikes coach

158-96-5 (12-10 in playoffs)

Took Vikes to 4 SB's but lost every one.

RIP

 

[Sarava]

I disagree that there isn’t a ton of talent at several positions available at 9.
Pundits predictions are not teams draft boards. Depending on who they get in free agency (trying to average 3 sites rankings on a cell phone) there will be some mix of 1 interior D lineman and 1 edge. 1 or 2 offensive tackles and then there is also the cornerbacks.
Trading down again is a possibility but if he is calling it shows a position of weakness. If I’m Poles I wait for the 1st 8 picks and see if the phone rings. I’d also probably be willing to move back a lot farther than most of you. He seems committed to a long term rebuild.
If the team with a pick in the mid 20’s calls and really wants to move up that far I can see real value. … (that mid 20’s pick a 2nd and a 1st next year, likely more).

I think both offensive lineman are probably reaches at 9. When you generally talk about tackles going top 10 in the draft, you expect future multiple time pro bowlers, sort of plug n' play NFL ready guys. I'm not sure you're looking at anyone being likely to be that. Skoronski might be ready, but they keep saying will probably be a guard and that's awfully hgh to pick guard. And Paris Johnson is supposed to be a project. I actually fear the Bears will reach and take him at #9.

On the dline, Anderson will be long gone. Carter has warts, so who knows where he goes. Tyree Wilson I'd love at #9 - but he probably wont make it past Atlanta.

I'm not sure what will be left that will entice someone to move up. I'll be surprised if the 4 QB's aren't gone before the Bears pick at #9. That's what I'm talking about. That doesnt mean some of these guys wont turn out great. They just might not have the shiny packaging you often get with top 10 draft picks.

And for moving down, I'm all for that if Wilson isn't there at #9.

You can trade back in to the 2nd round if you want. To me that comes from confidence in our new regime hitting on picks in the 2nd through 4th rounds. The more picks they get the merrier. And lotto tickets for next year's draft would always be a good thing.

18 years as Vikes coach

158-96-5 (12-10 in playoffs)

Took Vikes to 4 SB's but lost every one.

RIP

RIP to Bud

 

[StreetHawk]

They will be starting a rookie QB or a bridge QB. They just traded their best offensive weapon and their second best offensive weapon is a free agent. Carolina is not going to be a good team next year. That 2024 1st will most likely be a top 10 pick with an outside chance if being a top 5 pick.

Using this past season 5 wins or less landed teams bottom 6. 7 wins or less landed you between 8-13 pick depending on strength of schedule. Atl at 8 and Cle at 13 had the same 7-9 record for example.

Not sure I bank on a top 5 pick or top 10. Realistically I’d say anywhere from 8 to 15.

Not exactly a death row of QBs that Carolina will be up against as it stands now.

Edit* little confused that Carolina drafts ahead of New Orleans at 9 while saints draft at 10 yet Car has the second place schedule next season.

Carr twice. Currently it would be Ridder and Trask twice unless they acquire someone else which they could. Dak, Smith, Tua, as the 2nd place games. Cousins, Goff, Fields, Love for nfc North. Afc South is Lawrence. Ten has Tanny for now or maybe it is Willis or someone else. Hou and Indy likely to be rookie QBs unless one of them takes Richardson in which case it’s a bridge veteran.

Best QB Carolina is set to face is Lawrence if he continues his ascension under Pedersen could even be the best QB they face. After those two it’s Carr, Dak, Cousins, Goff, Geno, , Tua, and Tanny. If these guys are on clear edge to them but if they aren’t it’s not a massive upgrade.

 

[Space umpire]

Disagree but it is just my opinion. He did not pass the eye test to me watching him and I think those PFF grades are worthless across the board. I thought he was awful. First half of year Kmet had to stay in and play next to him and stay in to help block, lost one of our top receiving options because of that.

Bears need a stud LT that they can plug in for a decade. They have went 3 generations in a row on that position w a low round pick in Richmond Webb, Charles Leno, and now Braxton Jones. They need to get an impact player there, it is the most important position on the line.

I am surprised that people thought he was good and a building block. I thought he was just a fill in til they could get a stud there.

I disagree he got extra help the 1st half of the year but other than finding Kmet was about 50/50 in left side v right side snaps it’s an unknown (your opine) that he had to stay in to help or not
HOWEVER
In the last 8 games of the season Jones ranked 7th among LT’s in the NFL. Gave up only 2 sacks, 1 hit and 9 pressures.
If your eye test says that’s bad them you need glasses.
Now that doesn’t mean they won’t draft or sign a tackle. Having 2 very good ones would anchor the line for a decade.

The young guard also grades well. If Patrick (who is league proven) is healthy that means 2 adds have to be made and 3 preferred (depth)

 

[HeisenBaez]

Not sure I bank on a top 5 pick or top 10. Realistically I’d say anywhere from 8 to 15.

I would not bank on it but it's not out of the realm of possibility either. Again, I don't think Carolina will be a good team but I expect the pick to be around 7.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

Carolina should have just paid up for Lamar Jackson at that price. Division is wide open. I don't get it.

 

[StreetHawk]

I would not bank on it but it's not out of the realm of possibility either. Again, I don't think Carolina will be a good team but I expect the pick to be around 7.

Just use this pst seasons records as the barometer.

5 wins were bottom 6. 7 wins depending on strength of schedule landed teams between 8 - 13. Carolina could repeat the same record and hand over 13 this time vs 9. 8-9, would land at 14-17 (TB made the PO with that record).

So This past season a losing record went up to 16 ( someone needed to win the nfc south so Lets take one off).

For QB opposition for the moment Carolina would get Carr twice, Goff, Fields, Cousins, Love, Lawrence, Tannehill (not guaranteed to be him but for now it’s Tanny but there is no more guaranteed money so they could still replace him and eat a $18.8 mill dead cap charge) Smith, Dak, Tua, and unknowns with Colts, Texans which could both be rookies, And twice each for Bucs and Falcons ( would they consider the developmental QBs they drafted the past 2 years?)

Not exactly a killer’s row of opposition QBs.

 

[EbonyRaptor]

I saw a report (somewhere?) that Poles was negotiating with both Indy and Carolina and the key was getting either Pittman from Indy or Moore from Carolina. I'm curious what others think - would you rather have Pittman or Moore?

Pittman is bigger and more the prototypical size for a #1 WR but Moore is quicker and more of a playmaker. My vote goes for Moore.

 

[Idionym]

I saw a report (somewhere?) that Poles was negotiating with both Indy and Carolina and the key was getting either Pittman from Indy or Moore from Carolina. I'm curious what others think - would you rather have Pittman or Moore?

Pittman is bigger and more the prototypical size for a #1 WR but Moore is quicker and more of a playmaker. My vote goes for Moore.

I think Moore’s contract puts him over the edge. Pittman is in the last year of his rookie deal and will be due a gigantic contract, while Moore still has 3 seasons on a bargain deal.

 

[Sarava]

Carolina should have just paid up for Lamar Jackson at that price. Division is wide open. I don't get it.

Jackson wants an absurd amount of guaranteed cash and was injury riddled last year. He's a bad buy right now.

Edit - Sorry, injury riddled the last 2 seasons. 9 missed games the last 2 years and his performace has declined from before the last 2 years. If anyone wants to give him $200 mil guaranteed that he wants, then its their own grave they're digging.

 

[Mrfenn92]

To the dolphins for a third round pick