OT: Bears & NFL Talk 91

[Kaners Bald Spot]

F*** the Packers.

F*** the Bears for being mentally soft when it comes to the Packers.

Bears are something like 8-45 against Favre/Rodgers Packers and that feels like a damn joke.

The Packers have had 2 HOF qbs back to back and the Bears have had trash at QB the entire time. What do you expect to happen?

Go look at NO/ATL/LAR record vs the Niners when they had Montana and Young. I'm sure it's about the same.

 

[hawksrule]

Most of the great QBs were at least good by year 2 as a starter.
You can go all the way back to the early 90s. Favre got his first starting job and was great right away. So was Roethlisberger. Rodgers sat for 3 years, but as soon as he got his chance, he was great. Peyton Manning, McNabb, and Culpepper(before injuries wrecked his career) popped by year 2 as a starter. Brady was above average immediately, and developed into great. I think people mistake being above average immediately and developing into great for being bad and developing into great. Russell Wilson was above average the moment he stepped on the field as well. So were other good QBs like Romo and Rivers.

Going back further, Marino was great right away and so was Jim Kelly. Joe Montana won his first Superbowl in his 3rd season, and it was his first full season as a starter. John Elway won 12 games in year 2. Matt Stafford got injured his second year and played only 3 games. In his first full year as starter threw 41 TD passes.


If I remember correctly, average as hell Joe Flacco and Kirk Cousins were at the very least competent as soon as they started games.

What this tells me is that the good and great ones reveal themselves basically as soon as they take the field.

I generally agree with this. There are exceptions who generally looked like busts but turned it around and had good careers, like Testaverde, but I can’t think of too many of them. Even non-hof guys going back to 80s-90s were usually pretty good by year 2-3, eg Phil Simms, Boomer, Bledsoe, Randall Cunningham. Aikman (hof) was good right away.

 

[ChiHawks10]

I generally agree with this. There are exceptions who generally looked like busts but turned it around and had good careers, like Testaverde, but I can’t think of too many of them. Even non-hof guys going back to 80s-90s were usually pretty good by year 2-3, eg Phil Simms, Boomer, Bledsoe, Randall Cunningham. Aikman (hof) was good right away.

Right, but Fields has played less than a full season of games, and is mid-rebuild, with a young/inexperienced O line, and shit receivers to give him any help with good routes, getting themselves open, etc. I just can't sit here and grade out Fields with this team behind him.

 

[clydesdale line]

Lance season over

Was only a matter of time. Kid was getting destroyed during the Bears game too. Hope he has a speedy recovery.

 

[TLEH]

Generally, I think the good ones are good and show they are good regardless of situation. Not like Davis Mills has anything good around him and he’s looked like he can complete passes at least. Why is Fields attempting 11 balls when Bears were down 17 at half

 

[madgoat33]

Were in for a long season of bad football. And the worst kind too, boring-bad.

 

[Clownish]

The Packers have had 2 HOF qbs back to back and the Bears have had trash at QB the entire time. What do you expect to happen?

Go look at NO/ATL/AZ record vs the Niners when they had Montana and Young. I'm sure it's about the same.

Arizona was in the NFC East back then. The Rams were the other team in Montana's division.

 

[MarotteMarauder]

Observations from a bona fide football no-expert who played 2 games a year, Thanksgiving and New Year's Day.

Eberfluss-Like the guy and the spirit he has instilled in the team. Don't know if his Xs & Os are up to snuff.

Offensive coordinator- very confusing at best. Bears with great success running last night, so let's go away from it for a quarter? Why were there no easy 8-12 yard passes based of the running success? Do we have a tight end crossing route in the playbook?

Fields-No game awareness-NONE. Doesn't feel where the pocket pressure is coming from. Flushed out to the right, good so far, looking, looking and then takes a sack. FIRE THE DAMN BALL TO SHEBOYGAN to avoid the sack. Mooney was open enough on that deep ball- pass totally uncatchable. Picked the wrong hole on the QB sneak. Great athlete, Trubisky level QB to date.

Roquan Smith- Already didn't like his holdout BS, he has become "just a guy" this season. The front 4 has been getting consistent pressure, I'd expect him to be flying around making plays.

Kick return team- Why can't we find a guy who can make a defender miss?

I'll hang up and listen for my answer.

 

[chicagoskycam]

The problem with Fields regardless if he can play in the NFL and I think he's slated to be a backup, he's not the GM/Coaches guy, they didn't draft him and they have a baked-in excuse because ownership let Pace draft in a lame duck year. He had the same exact issues last year not feeling the pressure and making horrible throws.

 

[Illinihockey]

I generally agree with this. There are exceptions who generally looked like busts but turned it around and had good careers, like Testaverde, but I can’t think of too many of them. Even non-hof guys going back to 80s-90s were usually pretty good by year 2-3, eg Phil Simms, Boomer, Bledsoe, Randall Cunningham. Aikman (hof) was good right away.

Look at what Tua is doing this year compared to years 1 and 2

 

[hawksrule]

Look at what Tua is doing this year compared to years 1 and 2

I said year 2-3, but point is there are exceptions, but if a qb doesn’t show he belongs after two full years as a starter, it usually doesn’t happen, and the good ones usually show it by then.

 

[Illinihockey]

I said year 2-3, but point is there are exceptions, but if a qb doesn’t show he belongs after two full years as a starter, it usually doesn’t happen, and the good ones usually show it by then.

My point was look at what the dolphins did to help him over last off season and now look at the results.

Siri why isn’t fields succeeding

 

[ClydeLee]

They need the club hand guy at center next week

 

[hawksrule]

My point was look at what the dolphins did to help him over last off season and now look at the results.

Siri why isn’t fields succeeding

I’m sure all the qb’s taken at the top of the draft and shown they belonged all had great supporting casts.

I’m not giving up on Fields, and it’s still early, but he’s got to show something this year. Year 2 as a starter is put up or shut up time.

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

Arizona was in the NFC East back then. The Rams were the other team in Montana's division.

Oops, that's a brain fart.

 

[Putt Pirate]

Well, I was confused as to the shotgun call on 4th and goal from the 1/3 line. Besides that Fields has not shown anything that says ‘ooooh what a play/pass’ regardless of the line, rebuild, etc. I just don’t see him all the sudden turning it on.

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

Fields is getting plenty of time, his receivers are open and he's not finding them while being horribly inaccurate.

Also, Jenkins is a beast.

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

I generally agree with this. There are exceptions who generally looked like busts but turned it around and had good careers, like Testaverde, but I can’t think of too many of them. Even non-hof guys going back to 80s-90s were usually pretty good by year 2-3, eg Phil Simms, Boomer, Bledsoe, Randall Cunningham. Aikman (hof) was good right away.

Brees and Allen are two more.

 

[Scottkmlps]

Last night. Fields was not good. It started out great, but quickly went to s**t after the 1st drive. It's not the OL's fault, or the receivers. Last night, it was mostly on Fields. Young QB's are gonna have those games. It's how they respond that we need to watch for.

 

[madgoat33]

Brees and Allen are two more.

Allen threw 20 tds vs 9 ints his second season. Second year allen is the floor for fields, worse than that and they should really examine moving on.

 

[MarotteMarauder]

Fields doesn't recognize what an "open" man is in the NFL, he is always waiting for WIDE open.

 

[HawksBeerFan]

Jalen Hurts seems like a good comparable for what we can hope for with Fields. Both athletic QBs, who struggled reading the field and with accuracy. Hurts looks awesome so far this year, so hopefully Fields can make a similar leap.

It just sucks that I really wanted Hurts and he was there for us.

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

Jalen Hurts seems like a good comparable for what we can hope for with Fields. Both athletic QBs, who struggled reading the field and with accuracy. Hurts looks awesome so far this year, so hopefully Fields can make a similar leap.

It just sucks that I really wanted Hurts and he was there for us.

I'm beyond surprised Hurts has become a good NFL QB. Never thought he would, given that he had to split time and got benched at Alabama.

Hurts showed a lot of improvement in the 2nd half of last season. Hopefully Fields can do the same.

Even though I think you pretty much know what you have by 25 starts, I think it's ok to give QBs that 3rd year just to be sure. With QBs that have the upside Fields does, it's probably wise to do so.

BTW all of the 2nd year QBs other than Lawrence look like crap.

 

[RememberTheRoar]

The new CHGO Bears podcast says they watched the all-22 and claim that Fields had an open receiver on every passing play but one.

 

[Clownish]

Context is needed for that to mean anything. If the primary read is to throw a 10-yard out route to the left sideline, it doesn't matter that the receiver on the far right side of the field got by his man while running a go route that couldn't possibly be completed by anyone without an absolute cannon of an arm--OR--that the far right side receiver had a quick moment of separation on a short route well before any QB would have progressed to checking that side of the field.