He was getting pressured from that side. That would have been an almost impossible throw to make, and he would have needed another second to see him open it up. Which he didn't have.
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Romang67
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Rome was also not the first read. If Williams move on from the first read on that play, when the first read gets open, and he gets sacked outside of field goal range, people would have, justifiably, asked what the hell he was doing.
Romang67
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All-22 has given a whole lot of people the ability to draw circles and arrows on a football field without having any idea what they're actually talking about.
It's a good thing that Rome absolutely cooks the defender on that route. Maybe if he were the first read, he has yet another long completion on that drive. Maybe the safety recovers.
All 22 is nice but it’s like giving morons a vessel to give opinions on something they know nothing about.
Blackhawkswincup
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Pass was already in process
Oduzne was not open at time of throw as his move to shake CB and go inside happens as ball is being released
Romang67
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What funny/soulcrushing ways of losing a game does Eberflus have left to try? We've had final drive turnovers, blocked field goal, last second Hail Mary against.
Maybe forgetting to call a timeout and accidentally letting time run out?
Maybe forgetting to call a timeout and accidentally letting time run out?
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In the post-game show Briggs was talking about getting Tebowed, and not believing it could happen.
But that was the blunder of Marian Barber going out of bounds instead of draining the clock. Flus can pull that one still.
TLEH
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Is that good for a second round pick? I'm sorry but Poles has not been that good.
Other than the amazing move he pulled with the Panthers (which was absolutely amazing) he's been legit bad.
Darnell Wright is just okay.
Drafted a P in the 4th round with major roster holes
Tyrique has been awful as a 2nd round pick.
Wasted 3rd on Velus, then didn't trade.. then cut him.
Traded a 2nd for Claypool
Pickens also awful at pick 64.
Not even getting into the whole Waldron, Eberflus debacles.
Romang67
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I'm fine with the Wright pick.
But if we're complaining about Poles:
Coaches: duh. This in itself I'd argue is fireable. It's so bad. They promoted Chris Morgan. And that's like the 5th worst thing they've done with the coaching staff.
Draft:
2022 draft was bad in terms of process if not results. He didn't have a ton of picks to work with, but with needs on the D-line and O-line, his first three picks (and only picks in the first four rounds), he drafted a CB, a safety, and a wild swing at WR. Unless you get extremely lucky, you don't find help on the O-line or D-line after day 2. The O-line wasn't looking good, and the D-line wasn't looking good.
The next couple of D-linemen taken were Boye Mafe and Josh Paschal, so nothing to really write home about. The next couple of O-linemen taken were Cam Jurgens and Luke Goedeke, who are both starters on much stronger O-lines than the Bears have.
2023 draft was meh, bordering on bad with Stevenson taking a massive step back from the ending of last season. Better process than 2023 (I don't really fault any team in the 5-9 range for not picking Carter), but probably worse value for the picks. Wright is honestly probably good value at 10. Dexter is good value. Pickens is unplayable. Stevenson is currently unplayable. Roshon is fine value in round 4. Scott can't see the field. Terell Smith is probably better than Stevenson is in Eberflus's soft zone, but I'm not sure he's anything more than a backup CB.
2024 is too early. I also don't like the process of drafting a punter in the 4th round though.
Free agency:
2022: They all sucked, but I think Lucas Patrick was the only attempt at getting a player who didn't suck (except the 3T who failed his physical). Lucas Patrick also sucked. Everyone was cheap and bad.
2023: Tremaine Edmunds is not unplayable, but boy does he not provide value anywhere near the contract he signed. Edwards is really good, but is probably around fair value for an LB of his caliber. Billings was good value. Walker was fine. Davis was unplayable, at $10M per year. Everyone else was cheap and bad.
2024: Swift is fine, but overpaid. Everett is awful. Shelton has been bad. Everyone else was cheap and bad.
But his big calling card has been his trades. So.
Trades (I'm not including draft picks for draft picks, because it's presumably close value to the draft value tables).
2022:
Mack for a 2nd and a 6th. Fine. They needed to clear house.
Robert Quinn for a 4th. Fine. They needed to clear house.
Roquan Smith for a 2nd and a 5th. Good, cause you don't want to spend an insane amount of money on an off-ball linebacker (unless he's like, REALLY tall).
Claypool for a 2nd. From a non coach hiring standpoint, still probably the worst thing Poles has done as a GM. The team won 0 games with him, he was awful, he was a cancer in the locker room, and was traded for a 7th round pick less than a year later.
2023:
1st overall pick for Da Haul. Great. Fantastic.
6th rounder for Dan Feeney because they've been unable to build an offensive line and needed bodies. He sucked.
2nd rounder for Sweat. I maintain that this was a necessary and good trade.
2024:
4th rounder for Ryan Bates. Ryan Bates has an arthritic shoulder, and has not been a full time starter in the NFL. Ryan Bates, with the Bears, has had issues with his arthritic shoulder and has not really gotten on the field so far.
4th rounder for Keenan Allen. This trade looked good on paper, but boy does Keenan Allen look washed this season.
6th rounder for Taylor seems fine.
6th rounder for Chris Williams and a 7th rounder because they've been unable to build a defensive line and needed a body. Seems he sucks.
Herbert for a 7th rounder. It's fine. Whatever. He hasn't been running the ball for the Bengals either.
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My main issue (other than coaches, which is just laughable) is probably that Ryan Poles and Ian Cunningham, two former O-linemen who couldn't make it in the NFL because they lacked size and talent, have refused or failed to invest in talent on the O-line. Their draft investment in days where you actually find players (days 1 and 2) have been Darnell Wright and an injured Kiran Amegadjie. Their free agency investments have been Nate Davis, and minimal cost players. Their trade investments has been a 4th rounder for a backup with a chronic injury, and trash for trash.
Their ONLY saving grace is that they got a capable starter in Braxton Jones. That's it.
So yeah, I won't shed any tears if Poles goes. I don't think he's unusually good at finding talent in the draft, FA, or trades. And retaining Eberflus falls squarely on his shoulders.
TLEH
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Funny how we’d be able to look past a lot of mistakes just for the haul and replacing Eberflus when it was obvious. Made his seat hot for no reason and it predictably blew up.
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It's been brought up on youtube chat replay multiple times: Poles signing Byron Pringles cost the Bears a compensatory pick.
Roquan Smith --> Edmunds
James Daniels --> legion of trash C/G
David Montgomery --> Swift
Mooney --> Keenan Allen
who knows what need area could've been filled --> 4th-round punter
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Well, one would think NFL QBs make anticipation throws--release the ball aiming for an area where you expect your receiver to be... Yeah, he's a rookie No. 1 overall, yada yada yada
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If he was looking towards Odunze, the safety likely plays that deeper instead of playing to where Williams was looking... towards Allen and hit.
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I understand Thomas Brown trying to make every play "fast" and first-read only (allegedly what Washington has been doing with JD5 from the start), given the "limitations" of the O-line, but I want to dream big[ger], in light of the known outcome after that play.
If making Odunze the primary target for a potentially bigger gain on that play was deemed dangerous, then Everflose subsequently electing to kick the FG on 2nd down (same as Dan Campbell did before) can't be billed as scared loser either.
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TLEH
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Pre-snap on this play Caleb checked into a max protection look and the Packers rushed seven. The first read was always going to be Allen's quick out in this scenario. He gets rid of the ball just in time and finds him for a first down to get well into FG range with half a minute or so on the clock. If you are looking for areas of improvement in this game, this is just not the play to point at
Romang67
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You do understand that the primary objective of the drive was to get within field goal range, right?
No one is complaining that Eberflus didn't tell Brown to draw up go balls into the end zone.
Romang67
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I still think the Bears paid $8M to have the worst primary running back in the NFC North, but Aaron Jones is having a meh enough season where it's not a certainty. He has been better down-to-down than Swift, but he has barely produced any explosive plays.
So I expect KOC to scheme up some plays where he runs straight over Pickens, Williams, and Cowart.
So I expect KOC to scheme up some plays where he runs straight over Pickens, Williams, and Cowart.
Romang67
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Yeah, removing him and putting Jacobs in didn't exactly do wonders for the Bears.
I've always really liked Aaron Jones as a running back, but he's also 29 years old, has been injured a lot, and has only really had one great season in the past 4. So it's definitely possible that he's just slowing down.
