OT: Bears & NFL Talk 102

[Panzerspitze]

They fired Trestman with two remaining. The idea that the McCaskey's won't spend money when told its time, is not true. Dumb as f***? Yep. They care about the Bears, they're just dumb as f*** and trust the wrong people.

Poles chose to keep Flus, thats it.

Yes, I know the McCaskey's being cheap storyline has been amply contradicted by past events. However, eating contracts on a routine basis has gotta hurt, even if one's a billionaire (or as more than a few online have pointed out, only if the McCaskey's sell the franchise), given the run of awful Bears management/coaches the ownership have had to absorb financial hits on over the years since Lovie.

Put yourself in Poles shoes, it wouldn't take too much to sell the first-time GM the "wisdom" of staying put with his first HC hire (nominally or not), e.g. Virginia the Matriarch positively fawning over the madeover HC and his good-boy character, that the players seemed to keep playing hard for the losiest HC in franchise history, the pseudo-success streak at the end of the 2023 season, and most importantly there's no crystal ball or guarantee that a new HC (be it an offense-minded one or not) would necessarily do better than the late 2023 season version of Flose, or that the second OC hire (Waldron) could be even worse than Getsy, or that the "consensus" No. 1 overall pick would not be an instant drop-in NFL starting QB, or that the 10-men deep OL would regress to the point of neither pass-protect nor run-block well, or that veteran players would vocally revolt in public and to the media. Finally, there's that financial side of things, of making ownership eat yet another contract with years left (would it have been 2 or 3 years, after 2023?) after Trestman, Emery, (Fox?,) Nagy, Pace, et al. Sure they ate a double-decker on Trestman, but would they have the appetite for another (or a triple-decker) on Flose? That is how Poles ended up with the "safe" choice of keeping Flose into 2024.

 

[TLEH]

There are multiple people reporting that Eberflus's original plan was indeed to keep Waldron as the OC. I guess it's nice to have a fall guy and also not firing the 8th person you hired in the past like 14 months.

And on Poles, there will be talk that he should be allowed to do his own coach search. I think that's bullshit. He hitched his wagon to Flus. It took 7 games for that decision to completely blow up in their faces. He can pack it up and leave with the coach he decided should foster his QB of the future.

For sure. It’s the reason keeping Flus made no sense. It made his seat hot for absolutely no reason. Now that the entire thing blew up in their face like everyone predicted it would, you can get fired too.

 

[Scottkmlps]

Players [threatened mutiny] forced management/coaching staff aboutface that led to the eventual Waldron firing?

Report: Matt Eberflus was initially prepared to keep Shane Waldron

Wait a minute... Yesterday’s plan after evaluating everything was to KEEP Shane Waldron on as play caller?!?

www.windycitygridiron.com

Some Vets want Bagent to start?

Report: Some Bears Players asked for Waldron to be out and for Bagent to start

This Silvy report is sure to go over fine with out fanbase.

www.windycitygridiron.com

Talk about a guy that does not have his fingers on the pulse of the team.

I would hope that the vets that were asking, were thinking more along the lines of giving Caleb a chance to sit a couple of games to reset.

 

[Romang67]

I did not remember that Thomas Brown interviewed for the OC position. That means that if he's worse than Waldron, the front office can take pride in how they did not hire the worst option of the nine people they interviewed.

4D chess over there.

Of course, it may irreparably damage the #1 overall pick and QB of the future. But you gotta focus on the small victories

 

[Pez68]

Textbook Bears. Lol

 

[WarriorofTime]

This never ending Coach/QB off-cycle is the stuff of nightmare. If Williams busts, QBs are going to threaten to holdout and not sign if the Bears try to draft them.

 

[TLEH]

This never ending Coach/QB off-cycle is the stuff of nightmare. If Williams busts, QBs are going to threaten to holdout and not sign if the Bears try to draft them.

Which they literally should

 

[Pez68]

This never ending Coach/QB off-cycle is the stuff of nightmare. If Williams busts, QBs are going to threaten to holdout and not sign if the Bears try to draft them.

And not a single Bears fan should blame them.

 

[ndgt10]

All they had to do was fire Flus last year and hire Harbaugh.

 

[belfour30]

All they had to do was fire Flus last year and hire Harbaugh.

Harbaugh would never have come to the Bears. Poles would have had to fire himself. Harbaugh is Coach/GM.

 

[Ben Grimm]

Kyle Orton won 9 of his first 12 games as a Bears rookie.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1856716401664270839

Good riddance

He was absolutely awful

Kyle Orton won 9 of his first 12 games as a Bears rookie.

The 2005 D and Thomas Jones won 9 of the first 12 games Kyle Orton started as a Bear

 

[Panzerspitze]

Down goes another one of the Poles' failsons, Nate Davis. Released.

What did Poles see in Davis at 10-11 mil/yr that he could not see in the then 24-yr old James Daniels who's been Pittsburgh's opening day starting RG at a measly 8.833 mil/yr? "Length"?

 

[GIADF]

Kyle Orton won 9 of his first 12 games as a Bears rookie.

***Kyle Orton was carried to wins in 9 of his first 12 games.

His completion % was 53% and he was averaging 130 something passing yards a game with more interceptions than touchdowns over those 12 games.

Looking back at his game log he was even worse than I remembered.

 

[Romang67]

If I had a nickel for every time the current management has spent considerable capital on a player who immediately became a problem in the room, was unplayable the second season he was in Chicago, and was jettisoned before playing a full season's worth of games, I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice.

 

[Panzerspitze]

Rumour circulating on Reddit that the Bill Zimmerman/Danny Parkins podcast claimed DJ Moore requested to be traded before the trading deadline?

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Rumour circulating on Reddit that the Bill Zimmerman/Danny Parkins podcast claimed DJ Moore requested to be traded before the trading deadline?

Tell him to f*** off

He just signed extension

 

[GIADF]

Rumour circulating on Reddit that the Bill Zimmerman/Danny Parkins podcast claimed DJ Moore requested to be traded before the trading deadline?

Which board? Didn’t see it on the main Bears or NFL board at a quick glance.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

I saw that he and Kmet were guys pushing for Bagent to take over starting

 

[HeisenBaez]

Thank goodness Nate Davis is gone. What an effin waste of time and money.

I saw that he and Kmet were guys pushing for Bagent to take over starting

You have to stay the course with Caleb. Bagent is not the answer.

 

[GIADF]

Bagent at best is a really good backup. He doesn’t have the arm strength to be a good starter.

 

[ChiHawks10]

I saw that he and Kmet were guys pushing for Bagent to take over starting

Probably so Williams doesn't get broken physically behind the shit offensive line, and mentally behind the dogshit playcalling.

 

[TLEH]

Seems like he pulled it out of his ass.

 

[GIADF]

Seems like he pulled it out of his ass.

I’ve never even heard of this dude.

 

[TLEH]

I’ve never even heard of this dude.

I mean I have but he’s not a good source.

If DJ actually is unhappy they should have traded him.