OT: Bears & NFL Talk 102

[Panzerspitze]

Three Top-10 picks in two years, but no draftee made Bill Belichick's All Rookie and Second-Year Team.

 

[Panzerspitze]

Even a sportswriter of the lowly 3-7 Patriots feels empowered to fire a few potshots on Poles' prized "generational talent":

Callahan: The Patriots’ win at Chicago showed us something new

In beating the Bears, the Patriots showed us something new. They, once again, were the tougher, smarter, more resilient team.

www.bostonherald.com

Williams, by the way, looks no closer to becoming the NFL passer scouts envisioned, but rather his college self reliving a lowlight reel on repeat; scrambling and scrambling and extending plays past their breaking point, all in the name of chasing the big play. Williams took nine sacks on Sunday, a franchise record for the Patriots, who aside from assigning an unexpected spy, basically let him unravel on his own.

Williams remains his own worst enemy, something that can’t be said about Maye. His game has matured.

while rubbing in the Bears' faces that they got figured out on BOTH sides of the ball:

Ja’Lynn Polk, everyone’s favorite punching bag since he started dropping passes like he was wearing boxing mitts, bounced back to catch the Pats’ only touchdown Sunday on a stroke of coaching genius. During the week, the staff discovered the Bears were susceptible to the type of play they called on Polk’s touchdown: a play-action pass in the tight red zone.

“We felt like that was one of their weaknesses and they bit on it,” Polk told me, “and we scored.”

Perhaps that weakness was exclusive to cornerback Tyrique Stevenson, who watched the run fake instead of eyeing Polk, who initially blocked right and then slipped past him for an easy touchdown. Or the Bears’ weakness was more widespread. Whatever it was, Polk cracked the NFL’s third-ranked red zone defense in the process, and by scoring, gave Maye one more touchdown pass than Caleb Williams has thrown in three games.

 

[Pez68]

Even a sportswriter of the lowly 3-7 Patriots feels empowered to fire a few potshots on Poles' prized "generational talent":

Callahan: The Patriots’ win at Chicago showed us something new

In beating the Bears, the Patriots showed us something new. They, once again, were the tougher, smarter, more resilient team.

www.bostonherald.com

while rubbing in the Bears' faces that they got figured out on BOTH sides of the ball:

Yes, a guy who got sacked nine times "unraveled on his own". Lol

Williams' worst enemy is his offensive line and his offensive coordinator.

 

[ChicagoBlues]

Yes, a guy who got sacked nine times "unraveled on his own". Lol

Williams' worst enemy is his offensive line and his offensive coordinator.

This is where I’m at. I like Caleb because he has potential, but the plays must be designed to his strengths and to the weaknesses of the OL.

 

[ChicagoBlues]

Shotguns and roll outs.

 

[Scottkmlps]

You can tell Caleb is coached not to make a mistake. It's simple. Eberflus did it with Fields, and now he's doing it with Williams. You see the exact same tendencies happening.
This is why it was dumb to keep Eberflus beyond last year. He's in win now mode, while Caleb needs to be molded, and given the rope to make rookie mistakes. These 2 things were never going to work and was not going to have a positive outcome.
Hell, you hardly see Caleb leave the pocket much anymore to extend plays like he did in College. They're forcing him to be a pocket passer. They're neutering him.
This all points back to Poles and his emotional attachment to Eberflus clouding his judgement. Poles has done the one thing he couldn't do. He's supremely f**ked this up.

 

[ChicagoBlues]

You can tell Caleb is coached not to make a mistake. It's simple. Eberflus did it with Fields, and now he's doing it with Williams. You see the exact same tendencies happening.
This is why it was dumb to keep Eberflus beyond last year. He's in win now mode, while Caleb needs to be molded, and given the rope to make rookie mistakes. These 2 things were never going to work and was not going to have a positive outcome.
Hell, you hardly see Caleb leave the pocket much anymore to extend plays like he did in College. They're forcing him to be a pocket passer. They're neutering him.
This all points back to Poles and his emotional attachment to Eberflus clouding his judgement. Poles has done the one thing he couldn't do. He's supremely f**ked this up.

Yes!

Caleb is not a pocket guy. He’s a creative chaos maker. Max protection with shotguns and rollouts and rely on his receivers to release.

Play action fake runs to open up some room.

And then use Caleb as a lead blocker. Make it happen!

Da Bears!!!

 

[Panzerspitze]

about freaking time there's finally some well-deserved media heat on Poles, the true flunkie chef of the fail sandwich that is the 2024 Bears

 

[HeisenBaez]

You can tell Caleb is coached not to make a mistake. It's simple.

Absolutely. One of many reasons why Flus has to go. Flus ruined one QB, he is now working on a second.

 

[MarotteMarauder]

Yes, a guy who got sacked nine times "unraveled on his own". Lol

Williams' worst enemy is his offensive line and his offensive coordinator.

I think I heard several analysts say 4-5 of the sacks were on CW not getting the ball out.

 

[Panzerspitze]

I think I heard several analysts say 4-5 of the sacks were on CW not getting the ball out.

Six out of the nine, per an ex-NFL QB, as relayed by 670 The Score livestream going on right now.

 

[blondu]

So no firing... And when we finally fire Waldron it will be too late.

 

[hawksrule]

ESPN has a great write-up of the Bears situation in this article.

The NFL's hottest seats: Four coaches who had terrible Sundays, and what's next

Let's break down the Week 10 performances of four NFL teams with coaches under fire and how they apply to each franchise's seasonlong issues.

www.espn.com

 

[southsideIrish]

So no firing... And when we finally fire Waldron it will be too late.

He's out.

 

[plasmonresonance]

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[GIADF]

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Had to be done. Don’t love Brown as the new guy but I’ll take anything else.

He was the passing game coordinator by title so I’d imagine we are about to see more of the same or something completely different.

 

[Backyard Hockey]

Waldron fired. Brown sucks but anything has to be better.

Think about what a horrendous hiring Waldron was. He barely made it though half a season. That is a MASSIVE indictment on Poles and Flus

 

[southsideIrish]

Six out of the nine, per an ex-NFL QB, as relayed by 670 The Score livestream going on right now.

Fox Sports was saying pretty much the same thing - said he's the 4th best rookie QB right now. Also conceded a lot of the issues weren't on him - but he's def been underwhelming given the hype.

We'll see if things look different with the OC coaching change.

 

[Panzerspitze]

So they decide to throw the newcomer Waldron under the bus, while exonerating Chris Morgan, the holdover O-line coach and a probable member of the Poles/Eberflus "clique", for now.

 

[Romang67]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1856351156928204990

Not a great look, all around.

 

[TLEH]

So the OC you hired to take care of your 1.01 QB that was going to help you "take the North and never give it back" was fired after nine games.

Nine f***ing games. Thomas Brown is now the third OC our clown of a HC will have. Ryan Poles was definitely involved in the Waldron hiring process and he is the one alone who chose to keep Flus. They can all go at the end of this year for all I care.

 

[Toews2Bickell]

Poles and Flus have hired 5 coordinators in 14 months, apparently? When do the Bears brass admit these guys might suck at their jobs, what is their record at this point? Has to be well below 500

https://x.com/i/web/status/1856351156928204990

Not a great look, all around.

They were also happy with their process that led them to keep Fields over Stroud, great decision that was, Poles comes off as totally arrogant, yeah he came from a winning org but how much of it was Reid/Mahomes magic and not him and the others in that FO

 

[Panzerspitze]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1856351156928204990

Not a great look, all around.

Based on what the media inferred from Kingsbury's words, Waldron was probably the only candidate that didn't make Eberflose feel terrified of potentially taking away his HC gig.

 

[GIADF]

CW will have worked with three OCs in a calendar year when Brown is eventually replaced after this season.


Vintage Bears football, baby.

 

[Toews2Bickell]

This is really on Poles...he should've cleared the deck after getting 1.01 and got an offensive minded HC in there to grow with their pick, he stuck with Flus for whatever reason and its just continued dysfunction...Needs to lose his job over the decision among many other bad decisions