Call up the Canadiens GM and see if he is interested in giving up a top defensemen for a few overpriced, overrated, has-beens.
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You do realize he almost won the game in OT right?
Lol. Wow, he almost scored. Let's plan the parade.
The fact is, he hasn't produced. He isn't a good fit on this team.
Nash isn't bad and I don't wan't to trade him badly but he has to step up. He's doing work in all zones but he needs to be more of a threat offensively. If he was paid 3 a year I would be satisfied but in reality his paycheck is a bit more sizeable at 7.8. If you have a salary like that you need to be ****ing amazing, good doesn't cut it. Drive like a truck to the net, do what ever but for god's sake don't try and pull stunts off as if it was an allstar competition. It annoys me mightily when Nash comes into the offensive zone and does some figure skating and fails. This isn't the peewee league, teams won't buy that **** most of the time.
Brooklyn Rangers Fan
Change is good.
Starting with the obvious "step down and let Gorton do it" as a given...
And understanding that none of this happens in a vacuum - each option you consider depends on what returns are available and what other moves you've made...
Here's what I would do, all in order of priority:
Must haves:
1) Amnesty Richards.
2) Trade Staal for the best possible return.
3) Re-sign Kreider to at least a bridge deal (more on this below).
4) Re-sign Zucc to the best deal you can get considering term & dollars. I'm hoping for something like $4.0-4.5MM over 4-5 years.
5) Re-sign Brass to the best deal you can get considering term & dollars. I'm hoping for something like $3.7-4.2MM over 3 years.
6) Re-sign J. Moore to a bridge deal.
Highly desirable:
1) Re-sign Kreider to a McDonagh type deal - if other moves provide the necessary cap space.
2) Re-sign Stralman to a market deal. I'm hoping for anything that doesn't begin with a 5 - happy to give as many years as it takes. Would consider going even higher if other moves provide the necessary cap space.
3) Re-sign Boyle to a reasonable deal. I'm afraid that "market" for Boyle is going to price him out, but if you can get him for $2.0-2.25MM per year, bring him back - again, happy to give as many years as it takes.
4) Re-sign D. Moore for a reasonable deal. Here, I think we have a good shot of market = reasonable (and I think Dom probably takes a discount for stability). I'm hoping for anything that doesn't begin with a 2 over 2-3 years.
5) Assuming you trade Staal, pull out the stops to sign Skjei.
Consider, depending on circumstances (choose some, not all, of the below):
1) Determine what Stepan would fetch in a trade. If the return is solid (potentially in a package with Staal), then pull the trigger. Must include a bona fide #1 center type (or prospect with that ceiling) under the age of 28 in return. Otherwise, keep.
2) Determine what Nash and/or Girardi would fetch in a trade. If the return is solid (potentially in a package with Staal), then pull the trigger. Otherwise, keep.
3) If you don't trade Girardi and Stralman re-signs, determine what Klein might fetch in a trade. If the return is solid, then pull the trigger. Otherwise, keep.
4) Re-sign Pouliot, but only if he comes at a reasonable price and it doesn't imperil any of the moves above. I'm hoping for anything under $2.5MM over 1-2 years.
5) Explore bargain high upside, low risk UFAs. I'm thinking Joni Pitkanens and Mike Richardses. If you can get a guy coming off a down year, but with bounce-back potential and get him for a fraction of what he would have commanded in years past, look into it. Do not pay up for any UFAs (outside of maybe Stralman, as mentioned above).
6) Re-sign Falk/Diaz/Carcillo if you can get them near the minimum for no more than 2 years.
Then, let the kids like Miller, Fast, Lindberg, Kristo, Hrivik, Haggerty, McCarthy, Allen, McIlrath, Bodie and potentially even Duclair, Zamorksy and Graves compete for any holes left in the lineup - as well as any 3rd line/4th line/3rd pairing spots currently earmarked for vets.
And understanding that none of this happens in a vacuum - each option you consider depends on what returns are available and what other moves you've made...
Here's what I would do, all in order of priority:
Must haves:
1) Amnesty Richards.
2) Trade Staal for the best possible return.
3) Re-sign Kreider to at least a bridge deal (more on this below).
4) Re-sign Zucc to the best deal you can get considering term & dollars. I'm hoping for something like $4.0-4.5MM over 4-5 years.
5) Re-sign Brass to the best deal you can get considering term & dollars. I'm hoping for something like $3.7-4.2MM over 3 years.
6) Re-sign J. Moore to a bridge deal.
Highly desirable:
1) Re-sign Kreider to a McDonagh type deal - if other moves provide the necessary cap space.
2) Re-sign Stralman to a market deal. I'm hoping for anything that doesn't begin with a 5 - happy to give as many years as it takes. Would consider going even higher if other moves provide the necessary cap space.
3) Re-sign Boyle to a reasonable deal. I'm afraid that "market" for Boyle is going to price him out, but if you can get him for $2.0-2.25MM per year, bring him back - again, happy to give as many years as it takes.
4) Re-sign D. Moore for a reasonable deal. Here, I think we have a good shot of market = reasonable (and I think Dom probably takes a discount for stability). I'm hoping for anything that doesn't begin with a 2 over 2-3 years.
5) Assuming you trade Staal, pull out the stops to sign Skjei.
Consider, depending on circumstances (choose some, not all, of the below):
1) Determine what Stepan would fetch in a trade. If the return is solid (potentially in a package with Staal), then pull the trigger. Must include a bona fide #1 center type (or prospect with that ceiling) under the age of 28 in return. Otherwise, keep.
2) Determine what Nash and/or Girardi would fetch in a trade. If the return is solid (potentially in a package with Staal), then pull the trigger. Otherwise, keep.
3) If you don't trade Girardi and Stralman re-signs, determine what Klein might fetch in a trade. If the return is solid, then pull the trigger. Otherwise, keep.
4) Re-sign Pouliot, but only if he comes at a reasonable price and it doesn't imperil any of the moves above. I'm hoping for anything under $2.5MM over 1-2 years.
5) Explore bargain high upside, low risk UFAs. I'm thinking Joni Pitkanens and Mike Richardses. If you can get a guy coming off a down year, but with bounce-back potential and get him for a fraction of what he would have commanded in years past, look into it. Do not pay up for any UFAs (outside of maybe Stralman, as mentioned above).
6) Re-sign Falk/Diaz/Carcillo if you can get them near the minimum for no more than 2 years.
Then, let the kids like Miller, Fast, Lindberg, Kristo, Hrivik, Haggerty, McCarthy, Allen, McIlrath, Bodie and potentially even Duclair, Zamorksy and Graves compete for any holes left in the lineup - as well as any 3rd line/4th line/3rd pairing spots currently earmarked for vets.
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Richards-Buyout
Nash-See if we can get a good return in a trade otherwise keep
Girardi-See what the trade market is for him.
Let Pouliot go or take him off that Brassard line.
They had a great run together but his bad penalties and bad puck possession make him a detriment to that line.
Nash-See if we can get a good return in a trade otherwise keep
Girardi-See what the trade market is for him.
Let Pouliot go or take him off that Brassard line.
They had a great run together but his bad penalties and bad puck possession make him a detriment to that line.
GregSirico
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Point is that it was a heck of a defensive play that stopped him. I mean it's not like he shot the puck and missed the net. The guy is trying and you guys are really killing him like he's the reason the season is over.
GregSirico
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First of all, if I'm Sather, I'd step down and hand the GM position to Gorton. That, or make a really heartfelt call to JD in Columbus offering him the job. Sather wanted to go out on top. That's the closest he's going to get to that.
Buying out Richards is a no brainer. His legs are simply gone. I'm not the only one that's shocked with how much his legs have deteriorated in the past two seasons. Still has a lot of skill, but he looks slow out there. To fill his post, deal with the growing pains of Miller or Lindberg.
Trade Dorsett at the draft for a pick. Preferably one in 2015, which can eventually be used to trade back into the first round in 2015. His value will be high, Cup final experience.
While on the topic of trades, I would ask Nash where he'd be willing to waive his no move to. Explore the market for him, and if a deal is there to be made, do it. Otherwise, the Rangers are stuck for him. Hope he has a good year and can raise his value for a possible move in 2015. The Rangers would not have gotten to the final without him, but he's paid the big bucks to be a difference maker and put points up on the board. He has not been that in the playoffs. Justin Williams makes much less and won the Conn Smythe. Target players that are good playoff performers. Nash was a passenger. No room for that if the Rangers want to win the whole thing. The Kings had zero passengers. Everyone knew their role and did what it took to win.
Regarding Marc Staal: Make him an offer on July 1st. Let him think it over for a week or so. If he balks or hesitates, start taking calls on him. Trade him only in a hockey trade though. Second pairing LHD becomes an absolutely huge hole if no one coming back can fill it. Perhaps something like, I don't know, something like Alex Edler and Zach Kassian from Vancouver.
Kreider: Sign him to a 2 year bridge deal worth about 2.5 million per year. Re-assess in 2016. I would list him as an untouchable. He's a playoff performer and gamer.
Zuccarello: No brainer. Multi year deal at roughly 3.5-4 million per.
Brassard: Qualify him at 3.7 million for next year. Decide if he's a piece moving forward or if he's expendable for the right price or see if Lindberg or Miller overtakes him on the depth chart. Next year is crucial for his career.
Stralman: Bring back at any cost under 5 million per year. Little to no offense with his game, but he plays great in his own end and is great with his first pass on the transition game. Plus he's a RHD.
Boyle: Again, bring back at all costs unless he's demanding something ridiculous. Irreplaceable role player. Not too many guys have his size. His faceoff prowess and PK ability are tops in the league.
Carcillo: Bring him back as the 13th forward. Definition of sparkplug.
D. Moore: See if he'll come back for 1.5 million or under. I think he will though, I believe he's found a home here. 34 years old though. He's got maybe only two good years left.
J.Moore: Bridge deal, but he's pretty much what he's going to be the rest of his career, which is a bottom pairing smooth skating defenseman. Fits our system really well though, I'd keep him around.
Pouliot: Broke out with us, but takes way too many bad penalties. Would take him for 2 million or under per year, but he'll demand more. This is a guy that will want a long term contract that we can't afford to give one to.
Keep an eye on the compliance buyouts. There might be someone available that we might not expect that may be able to fill an immediate need. As far as trades go, if there's a good hockey move to be made, do it. But stay away from the Thorntons and the Spezzas. Those guys are on the downturn. If we're making a trade, gun for young talent that may not be fitting in with their current team or fell out of favor. I'm not advocating for the move, but Nail Yakupov comes to mind.
Stay away from the big ticket free agents. Maybe, just maybe, make a pitch for Matt Moulson, but he won't be cheap. He has what this team needs. Big, physical, gets the loose change around the net for the 2nd and 3rd chances after rebounds.
Roll with this, trades nonwithstanding and go to war:
Hagelin-Stepan-Nash
Kreider-Miller-St. Louis
Trade/FA/Duclair/Kristo/Zuccarello-Brassard-Zuccarello/Kristo
D.Moore-Boyle-Fast
Carcillo
McDonagh-Girardi
Staal-Stralman
J.Moore-Klein
Allen
Lundqvist
Talbot
Buying out Richards is a no brainer. His legs are simply gone. I'm not the only one that's shocked with how much his legs have deteriorated in the past two seasons. Still has a lot of skill, but he looks slow out there. To fill his post, deal with the growing pains of Miller or Lindberg.
Trade Dorsett at the draft for a pick. Preferably one in 2015, which can eventually be used to trade back into the first round in 2015. His value will be high, Cup final experience.
While on the topic of trades, I would ask Nash where he'd be willing to waive his no move to. Explore the market for him, and if a deal is there to be made, do it. Otherwise, the Rangers are stuck for him. Hope he has a good year and can raise his value for a possible move in 2015. The Rangers would not have gotten to the final without him, but he's paid the big bucks to be a difference maker and put points up on the board. He has not been that in the playoffs. Justin Williams makes much less and won the Conn Smythe. Target players that are good playoff performers. Nash was a passenger. No room for that if the Rangers want to win the whole thing. The Kings had zero passengers. Everyone knew their role and did what it took to win.
Regarding Marc Staal: Make him an offer on July 1st. Let him think it over for a week or so. If he balks or hesitates, start taking calls on him. Trade him only in a hockey trade though. Second pairing LHD becomes an absolutely huge hole if no one coming back can fill it. Perhaps something like, I don't know, something like Alex Edler and Zach Kassian from Vancouver.
Kreider: Sign him to a 2 year bridge deal worth about 2.5 million per year. Re-assess in 2016. I would list him as an untouchable. He's a playoff performer and gamer.
Zuccarello: No brainer. Multi year deal at roughly 3.5-4 million per.
Brassard: Qualify him at 3.7 million for next year. Decide if he's a piece moving forward or if he's expendable for the right price or see if Lindberg or Miller overtakes him on the depth chart. Next year is crucial for his career.
Stralman: Bring back at any cost under 5 million per year. Little to no offense with his game, but he plays great in his own end and is great with his first pass on the transition game. Plus he's a RHD.
Boyle: Again, bring back at all costs unless he's demanding something ridiculous. Irreplaceable role player. Not too many guys have his size. His faceoff prowess and PK ability are tops in the league.
Carcillo: Bring him back as the 13th forward. Definition of sparkplug.
D. Moore: See if he'll come back for 1.5 million or under. I think he will though, I believe he's found a home here. 34 years old though. He's got maybe only two good years left.
J.Moore: Bridge deal, but he's pretty much what he's going to be the rest of his career, which is a bottom pairing smooth skating defenseman. Fits our system really well though, I'd keep him around.
Pouliot: Broke out with us, but takes way too many bad penalties. Would take him for 2 million or under per year, but he'll demand more. This is a guy that will want a long term contract that we can't afford to give one to.
Keep an eye on the compliance buyouts. There might be someone available that we might not expect that may be able to fill an immediate need. As far as trades go, if there's a good hockey move to be made, do it. But stay away from the Thorntons and the Spezzas. Those guys are on the downturn. If we're making a trade, gun for young talent that may not be fitting in with their current team or fell out of favor. I'm not advocating for the move, but Nail Yakupov comes to mind.
Stay away from the big ticket free agents. Maybe, just maybe, make a pitch for Matt Moulson, but he won't be cheap. He has what this team needs. Big, physical, gets the loose change around the net for the 2nd and 3rd chances after rebounds.
Roll with this, trades nonwithstanding and go to war:
Hagelin-Stepan-Nash
Kreider-Miller-St. Louis
Trade/FA/Duclair/Kristo/Zuccarello-Brassard-Zuccarello/Kristo
D.Moore-Boyle-Fast
Carcillo
McDonagh-Girardi
Staal-Stralman
J.Moore-Klein
Allen
Lundqvist
Talbot
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Seriously here. I'm not trying to be flip, but how many times do the Rangers have to have the "It's time to be a big boy Rick" conversations with Rick Nash?
If for nothing but the fact that he is almost certain to improve once he's no longer a New York Ranger, I'd pound the phones.
Yet again we would probably be surprised what some team would give for him.
jerseyjinx94
I jinx players.
Sign Diaz then trade him for Giroux.
Trade Miller for Malkin.
Trade Moore for Duncan Keith and Patrick Kane.
Re-Sign our RFAs.
Trade Stepan, Nash, and Girardi for Kopitar, Brown, and Doughty.
Trade Miller for Malkin.
Trade Moore for Duncan Keith and Patrick Kane.
Re-Sign our RFAs.
Trade Stepan, Nash, and Girardi for Kopitar, Brown, and Doughty.
ReggieDunlop68
hey hanrahan!
Bravo Jinx!
Do you still think I'm nutty?
It's hard to directly say anything on a hockey forum let a lone the world. Have you ever read any non-moderated comment threads?
This was a tough loss. Welcome to RangersTown!
Pretty solid.
I'd prioritize Kreider, Zuuc, Stralman, Boyle and Brass. They have proven themselves as guys who can step up and lead by example at least.
Lock em up.
The one thing thing I'm struck by is that this run has been a shake out process. I think some very hard choices need to and are about to be made. This team is very close. We need to put some size and finish around Hank w/o compromising AV's system.
Hire Sather
He Is Our Star
GregSirico
KakkoSZN
Here are some lofty contract cap hits for next year ...
Webber 14Y (2026) 7.9M
Zetterberg 12Y (2021) 6M
Parise 13Y (2025) 7.5M
Suter 13Y (2025) 7.5M
Backstrom 10Y (2020) 6.7M
Ever wonder if MIN would want out of those deals?
1. Buy out Richards
2. Get the RFA's (Kreider, J.Moore,Zucc, Brass) Signed.
3. Re-sign Stralman (anything up to 4.5/yr) and Boyle (3.0 a year)
4. Staal to Toronto for Kadri
5. Dorsett to someone for a pick.
6. Take a flyer on Joni Pittkanen (1-2 yr at 3-3.5?)
Roll with this:
Kreider-Stepan-Nash
Miller-Brassard-Zucc
Hagelin-Kadri-MSL
Boyle-Lindberg-Fast
McDonagh-Girardi
Pittkanen-Stralman
Moore-Klein.
I'm Shocked.
Think that is assured that they'll lose at least one of them.
2. Get the RFA's (Kreider, J.Moore,Zucc, Brass) Signed.
3. Re-sign Stralman (anything up to 4.5/yr) and Boyle (3.0 a year)
4. Staal to Toronto for Kadri
5. Dorsett to someone for a pick.
6. Take a flyer on Joni Pittkanen (1-2 yr at 3-3.5?)
Roll with this:
Kreider-Stepan-Nash
Miller-Brassard-Zucc
Hagelin-Kadri-MSL
Boyle-Lindberg-Fast
McDonagh-Girardi
Pittkanen-Stralman
Moore-Klein.
I'm Shocked.
Think that is assured that they'll lose at least one of them.
GregSirico
KakkoSZN
I think if we keep Stralman we move Staal, just my opinion, can't have both and Slats will talk to Staal see where he's at and what he feels ... if he extends him long term reasonably or can move him for a big piece ... he will do that and keep Stralman. As for Moore ... I have a feeling he will stay at a discount and so will Boyle (I hope).
Brooklyn Rangers Fan
Change is good.
Agreed. I only have Stralman and Boyle in my "second" tier due to my concerns about market dynamics and making it all fit under the cap.
Also agreed about the shakeout. Not sure that some of our higher priced guys fit AV's system and plan going forward as well as some of the guys who are RFAs and UFAs. Richards is the obvious sore thumb, but Nash, Girardi, Staal, Stepan and even St. Louis don't seem as well suited for the future of this club as players like McD, Kreider, Zucc, Brass, Hags, Stralman, the Moores, etc.
Very curious to see if we have any wildcards in camp next year - for example, how great would it be if a guy like Haggerty, 6' and a very solid 200 lbs with a freakin' laser of a RH shot, showed he was a legit prospect? Or if Duclair came in and proved that he had developed enough to compete against men? I just wish we had a candidate for center who had that kind of potential and I don't see anyone in the system who is nearly close to ready for next year (if ever)...
His regular season wasn't a complete disaster, 26 goals isn't an awful number to put up. During the playoffs his offensive production was straight up ****, no other way to put it, but I don't think that it's fair to state that he is useless indefinitely because of it.
GregSirico
KakkoSZN
Patrick Marleau in play?
According to David Pagnotta (take it for what it's worth) SJ is exploring moving him.
According to David Pagnotta (take it for what it's worth) SJ is exploring moving him.
GregSirico
KakkoSZN
Evander Kane?
I also recall a while back we were talking about a possible move for
Evander Kane
http://www.capgeek.com/player/1536
I also recall a while back we were talking about a possible move for
Evander Kane
http://www.capgeek.com/player/1536
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Marleau is about as consistent of a 30 goal threat in this league. However, he's 35, and you just know that his blazing speed will disappear once he hits MSG ice.
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