Low Effort GDT Battle of Ontario: Toronto (away) vs. Ottawa (home), 7 p.m. EDT, (TSN 5, TSN 4)

[Laphroaig]

I also don't want him playing 60+ games as he may get burnt out much like Brodeur did in Jersey and Helleybuck in Wpg when they both played a lot of regular season games. This is of course only applicable if they do make it to the playoffs.

Brodeur did not get burnt out by playing too many regular season games. He played more than 70 regular season games in 12 different seasons and won three Stanley Cups. Hardly a case of burnout.

 

[bert]

Is the identity undiscplined play?

-13 penalty differential for those 3 last year.

It'll be fun to watch if they can stay out of the box, or at least draw more penalties than they take.

Identity the team is being built around its captain. They were awesome yesterday until Greig got hurt. They will energize the team and building, on sleepy nights in February they can be the difference makers because they will drag everyone into the fight. But I am not surprised at all you wouldnt like this concept.

 

[Micklebot]

Yes. He was -11 in penalty differential last year.

Greig was also bad at -6, but Cousins was +4. Not surprising given how many players want to punch him in the face.

Perron was +2 two seasons ago, cousins +5,

Not sure how much you can read into penalty differentials. there are penalties you are happy to take and penalties you never want to see, doesn't show up in raw stats though.

 

[bert]

Perron was +2 two seasons ago, cousins +5,

Not sure how much you can read into penalty differentials. there are penalties you are happy to take and penalties you never want to see, doesn't show up in raw stats though.

It was the only argument he could come up with. This team hasnt had an identity this line could help give them one. They are all pricks to play against, can play any way you want too, skill, physical, shut down. A perfect third line, could have an effect like the Moen Pahlsson Niedermayer line in Anaheim.

Some posters just dont want to accept the identity that Staios is trying to build I guess. Its been deliberate and obvious, its how winning teams play. But some people would rather build a team like the leafs.

 

[Relapsing]

It was the only argument he could come up with. This team hasnt had an identity this line could help give them one. They are all pricks to play against, can play any way you want too, skill, physical, shut down. A perfect third line, could have an effect like the Moen Pahlsson Niedermayer line in Anaheim.

Some posters just dont want to accept the identity that Staios is trying to build I guess. Its been deliberate and obvious, its how winning teams play. But some people would rather build a team like the leafs.

Big fan of how staios is building the team.

Flashy hockey is fun, but not more fun than winning games.

 

[Micklebot]

Big fan of how staios is building the team.

Flashy hockey is fun, but not more fun than winning games.

Flashy hockey is fun, but seeing Perron-Greig-Cousins piss off the opposition, priceless.

 

[Hale The Villain]

Perron was +2 two seasons ago, cousins +5,

Not sure how much you can read into penalty differentials. there are penalties you are happy to take and penalties you never want to see, doesn't show up in raw stats though.

The number fluctuates by season, obviously, but Perron has had several seasons of -10 or worse in the last 5 years.

He's always been a hothead who takes the occasional bad penalty. We saw that when he lost his **** and inexplicably cross checked Zub in the face.

Would have rather we not signed Perron and kept Joseph, as Joseph is less dirty but harder to play against, one measure of which is whether teams are forced into taking penalties against him. Joseph has always been a guy who draws penalties with his speed and tenacity, Perron less so.

 

[Hale The Villain]

Identity the team is being built around its captain. They were awesome yesterday until Greig got hurt. They will energize the team and building, on sleepy nights in February they can be the difference makers because they will drag everyone into the fight. But I am not surprised at all you wouldnt like this concept.

Tkachuk is a great person to build a team's identity around. He's very physical, works hard, and importantly is very disciplined for someone who is as gritty as he is.

It's not energizing to be put on the penalty kill after dumb penalties, and Perron-Greig-Cousins isn't a line that is going to be a net positive for this team if they are undisciplined and take many more penalties than they bait other teams into taking against then.

Shouldn't be a hard concept to understand.

 

[bicboi64]

Tkachuk is a great person to build a team's identity around. He's very physical, works hard, and importantly is very disciplined for someone who is as gritty as he is.

It's not energizing to be put on the penalty kill after dumb penalties, and Perron-Greig-Cousins isn't a line that is going to be a net positive for this team if they are undisciplined and take many more penalties than they bait other teams into taking against then.

Shouldn't be a hard concept to understand.

Although I agree with the gist of your post about how Perron-Greig-Cousins needs to be disciplined, I'm curious as to how you perceive Tkachuk as disciplined. He's 5th in penalties taken, 3rd in penalties drawn, but his net penalties aren't even in the top 50.

He'll get mad at teams scoring on an empty net after the buzzer, some bs code about players being disrespectful, but we can't really talk considering Greig's slapshot goal.

Along with continuing his improved defensive play under Martin, continuing to be a 35g+ guy, Captain Tkachuk needs to reign in the penalties and be more strategic. Hopefully Perron or Cousins stepping up to do the undisciplined shit will keep Brady out of the box and focused on staying on the ice where we need him in situations we're down a goal or two.

 

[Hale The Villain]

Although I agree with the gist of your post about how Perron-Greig-Cousins needs to be disciplined, I'm curious as to how you perceive Tkachuk as disciplined. He's 5th in penalties taken, 3rd in penalties drawn, but his net penalties aren't even in the top 50.

He'll get mad at teams scoring on an empty net after the buzzer, some bs code about players being disrespectful, but we can't really talk considering Greig's slapshot goal.

Along with continuing his improved defensive play under Martin, continuing to be a 35g+ guy, Captain Tkachuk needs to reign in the penalties and be more strategic. Hopefully Perron or Cousins stepping up to do the undisciplined shit will keep Brady out of the box and focused on staying on the ice where we need him in situations we're down a goal or two.

He draws more penalties than he takes, which is very impressive considering he's regularly in the running for most hits in the league.

People might think Perron-Greig-Cousins will be so gritty and annoying that they'll goad the opposing team into penalties, and that may be true to an extent, but if they are taking more dumb penalties than they are drawing, like they did last year individually for example, that isn't going to help the team win games.

It's an example of the fallacy that a team is "hard to play against" if they are tough and gritty, despite losing more games than they win, like we did last year despite being top 10 in hits and penalties.

 

[Erik Alfredsson]

Joseph is less dirty but harder to play against, one measure of which is whether teams are forced into taking penalties against him. Joseph has always been a guy who draws penalties with his speed and tenacity, Perron less so.

What exactly are you basing this off of? They have completely different skillsets. Perron in particular is excellent at winning battles along the boards and being in the right areas of the ice, something the team was lacking last year. We replaced Joseph's speed with Gregor.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Brodeur did not get burnt out by playing too many regular season games. He played more than 70 regular season games in 12 different seasons and won three Stanley Cups. Hardly a case of burnout.

More teams have moved to tandems over the last 5-10 years. Brodeur last played 70+ games in 2009-2010. That season, 14 goalies played 60 or more games. Out of those 14, 7 of those played 70 or more games. This past season, only three goalies played 60 or more games, with the high being 64.

Ullmark has never played more than 49 games in a season.

 

[bicboi64]

Brodeur did not get burnt out by playing too many regular season games. He played more than 70 regular season games in 12 different seasons and won three Stanley Cups. Hardly a case of burnout.

Too be fair, the Devils built around Brodeur. They had one of the best dcores assembled at the time and Stevens would headhunt anyone that got near Brodeur.

Not sure if we'll ever see anyone approach the number of starts Brodeur did. Price in his Hart calibre season only had 66 starts

 

[Cosmix]

If it makes you feel better, they are both on my Plex server.

Twice even! One copy for 4k and one copy for 3d.

I can also provide a long list of dreadful movies I do like that are also on my server.

Nice, but every movie has eye candy it seems. I think 20 year old me would have loved it, but I'm more about the dialogue driven dramas as I've aged.

I like action adventure films in general (like the Bourne series) but not the non-stop action crash and bang versions which I find too be sleep inducing.

I also like suspense and mystery drama type films/stories such as Smiley's People and Tinker Tailor, Soldier, Spy (Alec Guinness versions). I strongly dislike "whodunnits?" with all the red herrings and cute script-writing.

Last night I started to watch Breaking Bad again as I could not find anything else interesting.

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I'll take window #2!

 

[DrEasy]

I like action adventure films in general (like the Bourne series) but not the non-stop action crash and bang versions which I find too be sleep inducing.

I also like suspense and mystery drama type films/stories such as Smiley's People and Tinker Tailor, Soldier, Spy (Alec Guinness versions). I strongly dislike "whodunnits?" with all the red herrings and cute script-writing.

Last night I started to watch Breaking Bad again as I could not find anything else interesting.


I'll take window #2!

May I suggest Barry as your next series to watch then? I think it's on Crave/HBO.

 

[Senscore]

If you like spy thrillers, I really recommend A Spy Among Friends, a recent miniseries with Damien Lewis and Guy Pierce which nobody saw.

But it is good.

 

[Cosmix]

May I suggest Barry as your next series to watch then? I think it's on Crave/HBO.

I will have to look it up. I subscribe to Netflix and Amazon Prime, not Crave nor HBO at this time.

If you like spy thrillers, I really recommend A Spy Among Friends, a recent miniseries with Damien Lewis and Guy Pierce which nobody saw.

But it is good.

I will look that up too.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

I like action adventure films in general (like the Bourne series) but not the non-stop action crash and bang versions which I find too be sleep inducing.

I also like suspense and mystery drama type films/stories such as Smiley's People and Tinker Tailor, Soldier, Spy (Alec Guinness versions). I strongly dislike "whodunnits?" with all the red herrings and cute script-writing.

Last night I started to watch Breaking Bad again as I could not find anything else interesting.

I can jive with that. There is still a sweet spot of some action I enjoy, like the Bourne movies, but I struggle with things like John Wick for example where it's obviously really well done, but is basically 150 minutes of straight non stop action. Just doesn't do it for me like when I was young.

Agree on the Whodunnits. I liked the 2 Knives Out movies, but the others are mostly incomparably predictable and campy.

I love diving in to history for a lot of my movies these days. My server is up to 4500 movies now and while I stay up on the new releases, I've scoured the 80's and 90's and routinely watch all these long lost films everyone has forgotten about. Some 70's and even 60's too. Anything Eastwood I'll sit down for any day. I watched "Mother" with Albert Brooks the other day and loved it. As a teenager or young adult, I would have laughed hysterically at the suggestion to watch such a thing lol. Cape Fear was a Scorsese flick I'd missed entirely and watched recently and enjoyed immensely. I much prefer the movies the way they used to be made to what we get today and there's so much out there it's kind of addicting.

Breaking Bad was solid. I've done the journey twice and can't see repeating it, but it was really well done top to bottom. I'm not a fan of most running shows because they go on too long and get bastardized. I won't even give things like Game of Thrones a chance with god knows how many episodes and so many fans saying it wasn't satisfying at the end. Breaking Bad seemed more like an idea from the get go that was properly fleshed out, then finished, not just more seasons created on and on because it's successful. Black Sails is one I often recommend for similar reasons, although obviously of lower production quality than BB. Lots of good mini series out there and I much prefer those. They're like fleshed out movies but not ground into oblivion with plot twists and cliff hangers. Presumed Innocent recently was decent and could be worth a watch for you, but The English is one I recommend most often to people. Hard to watch at times, but one of my favorites. Emily Blunt and that accent does it for me though so maybe I'm biased lol.

I also agree with the A Spy Among Friends suggestion from @Senscore, it is solid. A couple other suggestions would be Chernobyl if you haven't seen it. Black Bird is another I enjoyed. The 1st season of The Last of Us was incredible imo. Station Eleven is another I liked. And Lawmen Bass Reeves. The ending had me on the edge of my seat and was so damn satisfying.

 

[Ice-Tray]

I can jive with that. There is still a sweet spot of some action I enjoy, like the Bourne movies, but I struggle with things like John Wick for example where it's obviously really well done, but is basically 150 minutes of straight non stop action. Just doesn't do it for me like when I was young.

Agree on the Whodunnits. I liked the 2 Knives Out movies, but the others are mostly incomparably predictable and campy.

I love diving in to history for a lot of my movies these days. My server is up to 4500 movies now and while I stay up on the new releases, I've scoured the 80's and 90's and routinely watch all these long lost films everyone has forgotten about. Some 70's and even 60's too. Anything Eastwood I'll sit down for any day. I watched "Mother" with Albert Brooks the other day and loved it. As a teenager or young adult, I would have laughed hysterically at the suggestion to watch such a thing lol. Cape Fear was a Scorsese flick I'd missed entirely and watched recently and enjoyed immensely. I much prefer the movies the way they used to be made to what we get today and there's so much out there it's kind of addicting.

Breaking Bad was solid. I've done the journey twice and can't see repeating it, but it was really well done top to bottom. I'm not a fan of most running shows because they go on too long and get bastardized. I won't even give things like Game of Thrones a chance with god knows how many episodes and so many fans saying it wasn't satisfying at the end. Breaking Bad seemed more like an idea from the get go that was properly fleshed out, then finished, not just more seasons created on and on because it's successful. Black Sails is one I often recommend for similar reasons, although obviously of lower production quality than BB. Lots of good mini series out there and I much prefer those. They're like fleshed out movies but not ground into oblivion with plot twists and cliff hangers. Presumed Innocent recently was decent and could be worth a watch for you, but The English is one I recommend most often to people. Hard to watch at times, but one of my favorites. Emily Blunt and that accent does it for me though so maybe I'm biased lol.

I also agree with the A Spy Among Friends suggestion from @Senscore, it is solid. A couple other suggestions would be Chernobyl if you haven't seen it. Black Bird is another I enjoyed. The 1st season of The Last of Us was incredible imo. Station Eleven is another I liked. And Lawmen Bass Reeves. The ending had me on the edge of my seat and was so damn satisfying.

GOT was incredible TV though, right up until they moved away from the books. Then it sucked.

The first 4-5 seasons though, they set a benchmark.

 

[bert]

Tkachuk is a great person to build a team's identity around. He's very physical, works hard, and importantly is very disciplined for someone who is as gritty as he is.

It's not energizing to be put on the penalty kill after dumb penalties, and Perron-Greig-Cousins isn't a line that is going to be a net positive for this team if they are undisciplined and take many more penalties than they bait other teams into taking against then.

Shouldn't be a hard concept to understand.

You're smarter than not only me but Staios, Poulin, Bownesss etc. The concept is they are clearly building a culture of players that are hard to play against. That come to the rink and work every day and have pride in their day to day. This concept to you is appears to be unrecognizable. It's happening right in front of you. Yet you criticize and rip on it daily. They had to attach a pick ro get rid of Joseph. You're still bitching and moaning. You do understand that that means 31 teams wouldn't take him for free.... speaking again of hard concepts to understand. Do you get that one? Or do you believe you're smarter than all 32 GM's in the NHL too?

 

[bert]

He draws more penalties than he takes, which is very impressive considering he's regularly in the running for most hits in the league.

People might think Perron-Greig-Cousins will be so gritty and annoying that they'll goad the opposing team into penalties, and that may be true to an extent, but if they are taking more dumb penalties than they are drawing, like they did last year individually for example, that isn't going to help the team win games.

It's an example of the fallacy that a team is "hard to play against" if they are tough and gritty, despite losing more games than they win, like we did last year despite being top 10 in hits and penalties.

The fallacy is you watching the team last year and actually thinking they were hard to play against because of how many hits and penalties they took.

Being hard to play against is being consistent and disciplined in your play. Every shift competing for pucks, being in position, having tight gaps. Penalties literally have nothing to do with it.

Having a line of pests that can play anyway you want that drive the other team crazy will help teams win games. Cherry picking penalties drawn vs taken because you don't know how to identify compete isn't a valid argument.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

GOT was incredible TV though, right up until they moved away from the books. Then it sucked.

The first 4-5 seasons though, they set a benchmark.

That's fair. I wouldn't dispute that. It was very high production value too which I can appreciate, I just find these long running shows not my preferred writing structure to content. I like a beginning, a middle, and an end that you get with movies, mini series, and shorter run series with a plan, I don't seem to get off on endless plot twists and cliffhangers like so many others do. While some people look at a show like that and don't want it to end because they enjoy it so much, I'm just waiting for the payoff and don't like the idea of it continuing on mostly because it's still selling well.

 

[Micklebot]

Agree on the Whodunnits. I liked the 2 Knives Out movies, but the others are mostly incomparably predictable and campy.

If you liked Knives out, I thought Death and other details on Disney+ was good.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

If you liked Knives out, I thought Death and other details on Disney+ was good.

I just watched a quick trailer. Looks interesting and something I'd definitely give a chance. I see it's been cancelled after the 1 season, did you feel it was wrapped up or left hanging?

 

[Micklebot]

I just watched a quick trailer. Looks interesting and something I'd definitely give a chance. I see it's been cancelled after the 1 season, did you feel it was wrapped up or left hanging?

left hanging a bit to keep you interested for season 2, but they wrapped up enough to have a bit of closure, didn't realize it go cancelled...