Proposal: Barzal - James van Riemsdyk

seafoam · Oct 13, 2016

Nice try, nyi isnt moving barzal for jvr

seafoam · Oct 13, 2016

Toronto would do it based on the fact that Barzal is much more valuable. Barzal is NYI's best prospect since Tavares.

LondonKendrick · Oct 13, 2016

Barzal has more value than JVR? Maybe on HFboards but not reality. Leafs have no need for another skill small forward.

Barzal might have a high ceiling (doubtful he'll ever be as good as JVR), also Leafs aren't trading size to get smaller just to gamble on the chance Barzal becomes elite. Waaaaaay to many ifs for the Leafs to consider this....

Also would the Leafs trade JVR for RNH? Doubt it, Barzal would be lucky to become the next RNH

Sparksrus3 · Oct 13, 2016

Barzal does not need to be protected for expansion
Jvr does .
That's my reason .
There are other factors besides talent and potential these days

TT1 · Oct 13, 2016

But Toronto already has Bozak :sarcasm:

SI90 · Oct 13, 2016

Isles believe Barzal will be an elite player. At the very least a #2center. We need that behind Tavares.

blinkman360 · Oct 13, 2016

Late to the party but this doesn't appear to be a need for either team. That, and Barzal is just too important to move - at least assuming we're not talking about a package for some kind of superstar forward.

The lack of secondary scoring and specifically the lack of a dangerous 2nd line is something that has frustrated Isles fans for quite some time. Barzal appears to be the guy who will fix that. Every time I see him play I gain more confidence in him becoming everything he's been hyped to become since draft day.

PWJunior · Oct 13, 2016

Yet another JVR to the Isles thread, woopee!

The last thing the Isles need is yet another LW.

CREW99AW · Oct 13, 2016

StuckOutHere said:
The only way a JVR to Isles deal makes sense is if we get in a time machine before they signed Andrew Ladd and traded him at the TDL or draft for Pulock and a 1st or something.

Pulock and Barzal are both highly valued by the nyi front office and both still on the ELCs.

I doubt the isles would package either + 1st, forJVR's 50-60 pts per season.

SI90 · Oct 13, 2016

Just wait for Tavares to be a free agent. Then he can be the #2 center behind Matthews

Trapper · Oct 13, 2016

I wouldn't trade Barzal for JVR if I had Barzal.

Now that being said if the Leafs are trading JVR, we need a D.

Halla · Oct 13, 2016

pass. if JVR is moved it will be for a RHD.
JVR will probbaly end up getting a contract extension for 6 mil per as a leaf

Halla · Oct 13, 2016

seafoam said:
Toronto would do it based on the fact that Barzal is much more valuable. Barzal is NYI's best prospect since Tavares.

so 80pts in juniors > 60 pts in the NHL?

Barzal hasnt played a game yet and wasnt a top 5 pick, so no he is not more valuable than JVR, let alone "much".

basically the equivalent of a leafs fans saying Marner>JVR

PWJunior · Oct 13, 2016

Halla said:
so 80pts in juniors > 60 pts in the NHL?

Barzal hasnt played a game yet and wasnt a top 5 pick, so no he is not more valuable than JVR, let alone "much".

basically the equivalent of a leafs fans saying Marner>JVR

Who would you rather have, Marner or JVR? Yeah, I thought so. Same dynamic concerning Barzal for the Isles.

Halla · Oct 13, 2016

PWJunior said:
Who would you rather have, Marner or JVR? Yeah, I thought so. Same dynamic concerning Barzal for the Isles.

yeah but marner is a lot better than barzal. a lot.

marner over jvr but jvr over barzal.

CodeE · Oct 13, 2016

Halla said:
yeah but marner is a lot better than barzal. a lot.

marner over jvr but jvr over barzal.

Every Leafs-Isles thread ever:

1. Leaf fan: "Hey, trade me your bluechip prospect for our veteran"

2. Islander fan: "No."

3. Leaf fan: "Come on our veteran is much more valuable, your prospect may never come close to being as good as our veteran"

4. Islander fan: "Would you trade your bluechip prospect for a veteran?"

5. Leaf fan: "Well obviously our prospects are much, much, much better than yours so the situations aren't remotely comparable"

I swear it's followed that exact pattern for a decade now.

Tunapants · Oct 13, 2016

CodeE said:
Every Leafs-Isles thread ever:

1. Leaf fan: "Hey, trade me your bluechip prospect for our veteran"

2. Islander fan: "No."

3. Leaf fan: "Come on our veteran is much more valuable, your prospect may never come close to being as good as our veteran"

4. Islander fan: "Would you trade your bluechip prospect for a veteran?"

5. Leaf fan: "Well obviously our prospects are much, much, much better than yours so the situations aren't remotely comparable"

I swear it's followed that exact pattern for a decade now.

I get what you're saying but he isn't wrong.

WangMustGo · Oct 13, 2016

absolutely not. Barzal is pretty easily the best prospect the Isles have had since JT.

StuckOutHere · Oct 13, 2016

WangMustGo said:
absolutely not. Barzal is pretty easily the best prospect the Isles have had since JT.

Didn't Strome come after JT? He was very highly touted. Barzal is good, but that Strome hype train was full steam.

LordNeverLose · Oct 13, 2016

StuckOutHere said:
Didn't Strome come after JT? He was very highly touted. Barzal is good, but that Strome hype train was full steam.

Yeah Strome was more hyped than Barzal

LondonKendrick · Oct 14, 2016

LordNeverLose said:
Yeah Strome was more hyped than Barzal

Strome top five pick, Dal Colle top five pick, both more hyped than Barzal

Love how NYI fans laugh off JVR but their GM signed Clarkson 2.0 in Ladd....

LordNeverLose · Oct 14, 2016

LondonKendrick said:
Strome top five pick, Dal Colle top five pick, both more hyped than Barzal

Love how NYI fans laugh off JVR but their GM signed Clarkson 2.0 in Ladd....

Barzal has been more hyped than MDC ever since he was drafted, thank you for showing you are oblivious to Isles prospects.

Clarkson had one year of 46 pts (having Kovy shovel him goals). His 2nd best season was 32. He has never gotten votes for any major award. Ladd has met or exceeded 46 pts every single season since 2010 (when he left the Hawks). He regularly receives Selke votes.

I don't love the Ladd signing, but this level of blatant ignorance and flaming is sad, especially from a Leafs fan lolololol

Taytro · Oct 14, 2016

IceManCat said:
Leafs get a future number 2 offensive center behind Mathews. Islanders get another scoring winger next to JT

Oilers will give you Griffn Reinhart for JVR. That's pretty much Barzal and an early second rounder. :sarcasm:

I am not exposed · Oct 14, 2016

LondonKendrick said:
Barzal has more value than JVR? Maybe on HFboards but not reality. Leafs have no need for another skill small forward.

Barzal might have a high ceiling (doubtful he'll ever be as good as JVR), also Leafs aren't trading size to get smaller just to gamble on the chance Barzal becomes elite. Waaaaaay to many ifs for the Leafs to consider this....

Also would the Leafs trade JVR for RNH? Doubt it, Barzal would be lucky to become the next RNH

Would the leafs trade jvr for rnh! Of course they would.

Mathew Barzal · Oct 14, 2016

Halla said:
yeah but marner is a lot better than barzal. a lot.

marner over jvr but jvr over barzal.

Having seen both first hand, you don't know what you're talking about. Marner is better, but there isn't a tier between them.

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