Bartkowski hit on Gionta (No Supplemental Discipline)

[Jimson Hogarth*]

You clearly didn't watch it.

This is actually astonishing that you can actually think that.

And not to mention he was fighting wayyyy out of his weight class. He hung in there pretty well.

What he did was certified ***** class. Hit a guy high then gets the 'Who me"? look when someone comes hunting for him. Typical ***** stuff right there from another coward.

 

[CDJ]

What he did was certified ***** class. Hit a guy high then gets the 'Who me"? look when someone comes hunting for him. Typical ***** stuff right there from another coward.

Ok just checking.

He fought a guy way bigger and way better at fighting than him. The hit wasn't high. It was to the shoulder. It was clear cut interference. Everything you said is incorrect.

 

[omglolnub]

Predatory hit against a defenseless player who didn't possess the puck and thus, was not expecting nor eligible to be hit. The 5 and game interference call is appropriate. Saw a post saying no S.D., but 1-2 games could've been done.

I liked the analogy of how hits against defenseless receivers are fined. To continue the analogy, this hit would also be pass interference - in both sports, you're not allowed to hit the pass recipient until they get possession (unless you're playing NFL Blitz/NHL Hitz ).

By the way, **** the instigator penalty. The Bruins got a PP out of that? ****ed up. Might as well start more **** by injuring opponents and collect PP's from when the opposing player goes to bat for their injured player and gets penalized for it.

 

[Smokey McCanucks]

Not that bad, mostly shoulder. Gionta is so short, any hit is gonna look like a headshot. 5 and a game is enough in my books. Hard to say how a shoulder check that catches a piece of the head can be a suspension when elbows to the head get a two-minute minor (Matthias).

 

[CDJ]

Predatory hit against a defenseless player who didn't possess the puck and thus, was not expecting nor eligible to be hit. The 5 and game interference call is appropriate. Saw a post saying no S.D., but 1-2 games could've been done.

I liked the analogy of how hits against defenseless receivers are fined. To continue the analogy, this hit would also be pass interference - in both sports, you're not allowed to hit the pass recipient until they get possession (unless you're playing NFL Blitz/NHL Hitz ).

By the way, **** the instigator penalty. The Bruins got a PP out of that? ****ed up. Might as well start more **** by injuring opponents and collect PP's from when the opposing player goes to bat for their injured player and gets penalized for it.

Trust me, they weren't on the PP for any of it.

And agree on the instigator, that's bit the Bruins a bunch in previous years too.

 

[omglolnub]

Trust me, they weren't on the PP for any of it.

And agree on the instigator, that's bit the Bruins a bunch in previous years too.

I just looked at the box score for the penalties given out, so my mistake if I was wrong. And yeah, the idea of the instigator was laudable..but man, maybe scale it back to the last 5-10 minutes of a game and a lead is 3 goals or more to get rid of the garbage time fights they wanted out. But instigator is another thread

 

[Dwatson783]

Predatory hit against a defenseless player who didn't possess the puck and thus, was not expecting nor eligible to be hit. The 5 and game interference call is appropriate. Saw a post saying no S.D., but 1-2 games could've been done.

I liked the analogy of how hits against defenseless receivers are fined. To continue the analogy, this hit would also be pass interference - in both sports, you're not allowed to hit the pass recipient until they get possession (unless you're playing NFL Blitz/NHL Hitz ).

By the way, **** the instigator penalty. The Bruins got a PP out of that? ****ed up. Might as well start more **** by injuring opponents and collect PP's from when the opposing player goes to bat for their injured player and gets penalized for it.

Good write up. Was at the game and saw the hit from behind Bart and didn't like it. While it's not high, it's on a guy who isn't able to play the puck while the puck is coming right to Bart already.

If the hit is/was shoulder to shoulder and there's no SD then fine I get it and tbh, I don't want to make it so that guys can't go for big hits by over policing- I do prefer enough of the self policing and was good to see it in effect tonight.

The instigator call is crap but the B's didn't end up on the PP at all. Was 4v4 for 2 minutes and then Buffalo had a 3 minute PP as Bart got a 5 minute interference call on the play.

 

[MasterDecoy]

who gives a **** if it was shoulder to should or a head shot, gionta was nowhere near the puck. suspend the guy

 

[b in vancouver]

Look, for a second, pretend I'm not a Bruins fan...

We really need to stop dissecting hits frame by frame. It's getting ridiculous. Head shots here, elbows there. It's getting stupid. Hockey is an insanely fast game, and the fact that we're breaking it down by 60 frames per second is detracting from the physical nature of the game.

Bartkowski threw an enormous hit, Foligno challenged him, Bart answered the bell. End of story.

Do I believe in player safety? Yes. Absolutely. I'm still nauseous from the Savard hit. But the fact that anytime someone throws a huge hit we need to have a debate in the legality of the hit, whether clean or not, is just getting tiring.

But feel free to continue to debate how bartkowski is this savage player...

Agree completely. It's the Savard hits I want out not hits like this.

 

[omglolnub]

Good write up. Was at the game and saw the hit from behind Bart and didn't like it. While it's not high, it's on a guy who isn't able to play the puck while the puck is coming right to Bart already.

If the hit is/was shoulder to shoulder and there's no SD then fine I get it and tbh, I don't want to make it so that guys can't go for big hits by over policing- I do prefer enough of the self policing and was good to see it in effect tonight.

The instigator call is crap but the B's didn't end up on the PP at all. Was 4v4 for 2 minutes and then Buffalo had a 3 minute PP as Bart got a 5 minute interference call on the play.

Yeah, just did the math on the penalty time. My bad

 

[DJN21]

who gives a **** if it was shoulder to should or a head shot, gionta was nowhere near the puck. suspend the guy

This is kinda my mind frame, its sad that the only thing the NHL seems focused on is "shots to the head"...nut shots, to a lesser extent knee on knee, slashes, or in this case clear cut cases of interference all deserve equal attention because an injury is an injury which is why I stated I think the hit was borderline legal but unwarranted and needs to be punished for that reason. You cant only hand down discipline for elbows and boardings...which is all they seem to really care about.

 

[PrototypeX85]

Wait. People are seriously defending the hit? I've seen it all now. lol

 

[617Marine]

Everyone wants to be first to create a thread nowadays, same as 'reporters' tweeting.

This^ though I do believe the fact that it was a high hit on an interference call should warrant a 1 game suspension to send the message that its not okay to throw high hits on players without the puck...the call was interference and that call was correct, if you dont punish someone in some regard for throwing hits that big on interference calls then you set a precedent.

Other than that it was to me a little dirty but not worthy of 80 pages of banter on this site...Bart answered the bell, Foligno did the right thing (outside of his pass)...move along

Agree completely. It's the Savard hits I want out not hits like this.

Thanks for the feedback guys. Like I said, all about player safety. But here's a revolutionary thought: maybe if players started to look out for their own well-being or (God forbid) their teammates well being, we wouldn't have second guessers and frame-by-frame analysis from every armchair department of player safety official. This half "we want a physical game, but we want a finesse game" at the same time shenanigans dont mix well together. So we're constantly analyzing each hit, figuring out how players can better hit at insanely ridiculous speeds.

For the record, yeah the hit was an interference. Got it. But Bart was doing what any good defenseman would do. Play the body, separate man from puck, and deny the opposing team the ability to break out cleanly from their defensive zone and potentially generate offense. He was reacting instantaneously to a play he saw developing. Had Gionta made (real) contact with the puck, we're not talking about the legality of the hit. It's a split second development that were now analyzing down the television frames. What else could you freakin' ask from the guy?

Point I'm getting at: it's just not fair to the players on the ice. Give them a break.

 

[Jimson Hogarth*]

who gives a **** if it was shoulder to should or a head shot, gionta was nowhere near the puck. suspend the guy

yea guy took a huge run at Gionta which was blatant interference then gets a goofy "what'd I do?" face when he's challenged on it.

Got it. But Bart was doing what any good defenseman would do. Play the body, separate man from puck,

Yea great except he got the wrong guy, Gionta didn't have the puck

 

[Maffew]

This is what they called a blindside hit when I was a kid.

 

[DJN21]

Thanks for the feedback guys. Like I said, all about player safety. But here's a revolutionary thought: maybe if players started to look out for their own well-being or (God forbid) their teammates well being, we wouldn't have second guessers and frame-by-frame analysis from every armchair department of player safety official. This half "we want a physical game, but we want a finesse game" at the same time shenanigans dont mix well together. So we're constantly analyzing each hit, figuring out how players can better hit at insanely ridiculous speeds.

For the record, yeah the hit was an interference. Got it. But Bart was doing what any good defenseman would do. Play the body, separate man from puck, and deny the opposing team the ability to break out cleanly from their defensive zone and potentially generate offense. He was reacting instantaneously to a play he saw developing. Had Gionta made (real) contact with the puck, we're not talking about the legality of the hit. It's a split second development that were now analyzing down the television frames. What else could you freakin' ask from the guy?

Point I'm getting at: it's just not fair to the players on the ice. Give them a break.

Trust me dude I get what your saying and for 90% I agree, but you cant hit a guy without a puck...just because he made a "split second decision" doesnt mean he made the right decision. He was in the wrong and needs to answer for it. In my opinion he answered the bell and fought for himself against a better fighter to defend his actions which is almost good enough but I'd wanna see a 1 game suspension just to set the precedent that you can be suspended for throwing illegal hits i.e interference hits that injure a player.

The hit wasnt as malicious as some people wanna make it but you have to send a message that interference hits that injure are not okay.

Bart is far from a dirty player and it has nothing to do with the stereotype that Boston has as a dirty team...you simply cant justify not reprimanding for early interference hits that injure...the league has an opportunity to send a message in that regard and thats all I care about.

 

[Jimson Hogarth*]

Correction Bartkowski is now a dirty player. ^

He took a huge risk, gambled and lost when Gionta didn't touch the puck. I'm sure uncle Colin will be writing emails furiously to NHL officiating tonight.

 

[CDJ]

Correction Bartkowski is now a dirty player. ^

He took a huge risk, gambled and lost when Gionta didn't touch the puck. I'm sure uncle Colin will be writing emails furiously to NHL officiating tonight.

Not according to the league he is not.

And this hooplah is just so typical for a textbook interference call. God I hate what this league is becoming.

 

[SenatorArmy*]

I'm sorry but that was a beautiful hit, plain and simple. What a shame. This is almost as disgraceful as the gryba suspension

 

[King King]

I think a minor for interference would have sufficed. Hit itself didn't look that bad to me, just a bad result for Gionta. Hope he's not injured, didn't watch the game.

Foligno gave him a suicide pass there.

 

[dafoomie]

Here's a better video, you can slow it down pretty well if you have Chrome.



I thought 5 was completely appropriate as he hurt a guy doing an illegal thing (interference). Hit would've been ok if he had the puck but he didn't.

 

[DJN21]

Correction Bartkowski is now a dirty player. ^

He took a huge risk, gambled and lost when Gionta didn't touch the puck. I'm sure uncle Colin will be writing emails furiously to NHL officiating tonight.

players throw borderline hits in the speed of the game sometimes they are incorrect as was the case here but that doesnt mean a player needs to be labeled as dirty moving forward...give him 1 game and move on...this is getting redundant

 

[SenatorArmy*]

No, but players need to be aware of the height of the players that they hit. You don't get an exemption for head shotting a player because you happen to be taller.

As far as this hit is concerned what I've seen has been inconclusive in regards to what the principal point of contact head. The NHL will decide on whether it's suspension worthy and our opinion on the matter doesn't mean anything. The hit was definitely blindside though.

Wait are you serious? So taller players need to crouch down now to accomodate smaller players when making their checks? Is that what you're saying

 

[Nynja*]

Wait. People are seriously defending the hit? I've seen it all now. lol

I think the hit was fine...IF Gionta had the puck (he didnt), which makes it interference. I think 5+game was the right call.

 

[Colt.45Orr]

Here's a better video, you can slow it down pretty well if you have Chrome.



I thought 5 was completely appropriate as he hurt a guy doing an illegal thing (interference). Hit would've been ok if he had the puck but he didn't.

Reminds me of the Orpik hit on Eriksson last year --of course, Orpik didn't get a penalty OR fight a po'd Boston team and then Thornton got the 15 game suspension. It wasn't a headshot but Gionta reached for the puck and didn't quite touch it (like Eriksson) so you take that gamble on the hit and it didn't turn out.

To say he went looking for a headshot is ridiculous though.