Ballon D'or 2021: Who wins it?

[robertmac43]

Put me on the Lewa over the Jorginho team.

 

[Evilo]

What could (and should) hurt Lewa is that he never could do it outside the Bundesliga (a well documented offensive league) and on powerhouses.
Anytime he faces a decent team with Poland, he vanishes.
His "performance" in this Euro was concerning.
I think Messi is still the go to guy here.

 

[Albatros]

Anytime he faces a decent team with Poland, he vanishes.

Gee, wonder why a Poland striker doesn't score more against top teams...

 

[cgf]

What could (and should) hurt Lewa is that he never could do it outside the Bundesliga (a well documented offensive league) and on powerhouses.
Anytime he faces a decent team with Poland, he vanishes.
His "performance" in this Euro was concerning.
I think Messi is still the go to guy here.

He has scored 77 goals in 98 CL matches & has 72 goals in 125 caps for Poland. Blaming him for Poland putting a crap team around him would be very odd.

 

[Evilo]

Gee, wonder why a Poland striker doesn't score more against top teams...

Gee, it's as if Poland was in a group of death in the last Euro.

 

[Evilo]

He has scored 77 goals in 98 CL matches & has 72 goals in 125 caps for Poland. Blaming him for Poland putting a crap team around him would be very odd.

Not just for Poland but for his less then stellar performances when he's not on a hugely dominating team.

 

[JeffreyLFC]

IMO it's easily Messi.

 

[Albatros]

Gee, it's as if Poland was in a group of death in the last Euro.

3 goals in 3 matches, not sure what more you expect. Lewandowski is quite literally the least of Poland's usually rather many problems.

 

[Evilo]

3 goals in 3 matches, not sure what more you expect. Lewandowski is quite literally the least of Poland's usually rather many problems.

If you saw the games you'd know.
Heck Poland fans know.

 

[Evilo]

IMO it's easily Messi.

Me too.
His performance in the copa was one for the ages.

 

[Albatros]

If you saw the games you'd know.
Heck Poland fans know.

I saw. The whole team was bad against Slovakia, but after Krychowiak's red card it was always going to be an uphill battle. Against Spain and Sweden Lewandowski was by far the best player.

 

[koyvoo]

Lewandowski with Poland has 72 goals in 125 caps.

Since 2014, he has 54 goals in 65 caps.

He has-
-19 goals in 51 friendly appearances
-46 goals in 53 qualifying matches
-5 goals in 14 tournament finals matches
-2 goals in 7 nations league matches

Ranking may be subjective, but he has only scored vs 4 of the traditionally top 15-20 ranked FIFA teams. 3 vs Denmark, 2 vs Germany, 1 vs both Portugal and Spain.

Opponent	Goals
Gibraltar	6
San Marino	6
Romania	5
Armenia	4
Latvia	4
Andorra	3
Denmark	3
Georgia	3
Lithuania	3
Montenegro	3
Bosnia and Herzegovina	2
Germany	2
Iceland	2
Ivory Coast	2
Kazakhstan	2
Republic of Ireland	2
Scotland	2
Singapore	2
South Korea	2
Sweden	2
Albania	1
Australia	1
Belarus	1
Bulgaria	1
Chile	1
Greece	1
Hungary	1
Israel	1
Norway	1
Portugal	1
Slovenia	1
Spain	1

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

 

[S E P H]

Poland doesn't have a bad team though, we have a certain number of good players. It has been the managers who aren't fitting the system and Lew not rising up to his talent level like he is at Bayern.

 

[member 305909]

Looks like Iceland and Ukraine/Bosnia are going to be the two teams making the play-offs based on their nation's league-rankings.

 

[member 305909]

Wrong thread, sorry.

 

[KlausJopling]

Kind of thought everyone was half joking about Jorginho winning. But looking at the nominee list they base way to much on you happening to be playing for a good team in the Euros or Champions League (and not very much on other confederations championships like Copa America)

 

[robertmac43]

It's got to be Messi from that list...

 

[cgf]

It's got to be Messi from that list...

I don't think it would be a crime if Lewa got it, but Messi should win.

...at least from that list; I assume that Kruse isn't eligible so as to give everyone else a chance.

 

[robertmac43]

I don't think it would be a crime if Lewa got it, but Messi should win.

...at least from that list; I assume that Kruse isn't eligible so as to give everyone else a chance.

I would be happy to see Lewa get it. He had an amazing year for club and it would almost be a lifetime achievement award for being one of the best players that isn't Messi or Ronaldo

 

[Evilo]

Yes as I said Messi to me.

 

[Evilo]

Simon Kjaer is among the finalists while Marquinhos isn't.

That's all I have to say.

 

[Havre]

Kjær is just a gesture. A bit silly, but I don't mind that much since you got 30 players nominated. Would have been far worse if he was one among five or something.

Only thing we do know is that a future Newcastle player will win it.

 

[JeffreyLFC]

I still think VVD got robed 3 years ago because all LFC players spreaded the votes among themselves.

 

[Peen]

Jorginho winning would be lol

 

[JeffreyLFC]

Jorginho winning would be lol

It would prove that Ballon d'Or is not the for the best player but for the guy collecting the most collective achievements.