Prospect Info: Bakersfield Condors 24-25 thread

[Tobias Kahun]

A little early to be blowing that trumpet don't you think?

Not for him.

He called Broberg Matt Benning 2.0 30 seconds after we drafted him.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Maybe? When he was drafted people legit thought he was going to be an NHL star but I don’t see that in his game and neither did Buffalo really and probably other teams as well or he wouldn’t have gone for McLeod.
He will probably be a good middle 6 top 6 winger is fine. Nothing about his progress or game screams star. Which is absolutely fine.

I do know his stock hit a huge hit at the world juniors last year. Probably why we landed him.

People gave up on Martin St. Louis and Ray Whitney as well. It's way too early in his career to put a hard cap on his upside.

 

[CupofOil]

Maybe? When he was drafted people legit thought he was going to be an NHL star but I don’t see that in his game and neither did Buffalo really and probably other teams as well or he wouldn’t have gone for McLeod.
He will probably be a good middle 6 top 6 winger is fine. Nothing about his progress or game screams star. Which is absolutely fine.

I do know his stock hit a huge hit at the world juniors last year. Probably why we landed him.

It's his first year in pro after scoring over 2 PPG in the CHL last year. Way too soon to be making any declarations about where his progress is headed or what his upside is. He's 20 for F sakes, although almost 21 but still...

 

[CycloneSweep]

It's his first year in pro after scoring over 2 PPG in the CHL last year. Way too soon to be making any declarations about where his progress is headed or what his upside is. He's 20 for F sakes, although almost 21 but still...

He put up a 2PPG as a 19/20 year old. It’s impressive…but since 2004 there has been Sven Bartschi, Oliver Bjorkstrand, , Logan Stankoven, Jagger Firkus, Matthew Savoie

Weirdly out of that group of guys doing it at 19/20 not a single one became an NHL star. Usually it’s guys doing it younger. But maybe things are changing in the WHL, so let’s add in the OHL guys.

Corey Perry, David Bolland, Luch Aquino, Wojtek Wolski, Rob Schremp, Steve Downie, Sergei Kostisyn, Christian Dvorak, Alex Debrincat, Dylan Strome, Jan Jenik.

Out of that group you have Perry and Debrincat as a star. So in 20 years only only 2 stars out of 2ppg+ guys at 19 and none from the WHL. Which, ultimately it’s meaningless cause every player is different.

I do know with his playoffs and his World Juniors play his stock league wide took a hit. I think he is developing well and will be an NHL player, he won’t be a star though.

 

[CupofOil]

I do know with his playoffs and his World Juniors play his stock league wide took a hit. I think he is developing well and will be an NHL player, he won’t be a star though.

You mean that 4 game sample size? HUGE hit to his stock lol.

His playoff performance killed his stock? 19 games, 10 goals and 24 points. Seems terrible, I suppose?

So where did his stock take a big hit? On HF? With that stellar Sabres management?
Surely reliable sources to draw from.

I don't know if he'll be a star or not and neither do you to say so with such certainty.

 

[CycloneSweep]

You mean that 4 game sample size? HUGE hit to his stock lol.

His playoff performance killed his stock? 19 games, 10 goals and 24 points. Seems terrible, I suppose?

So where did his stock take a big hit? On HF? With that stellar Sabres management?
Surely reliable sources to draw from.

I don't know if he'll be a star or not and neither do you to say so with such certainty.

What makes you think he can be a star though? Yes his playoffs where he took a back seat to 3 other players who eclipsed him.
If he still had a star projection he would have gone for far more than McLeod as SOME team would have offered something better.
I’m not saying he can’t, I’m just saying I don’t see anything that makes me believe he can.
I have been wrong before I have been right before. Just giving my opinion, you are welcome to yours.

 

[Scrapin Ice]

Roby Jarventie ...will we see him this year.
Bako needs a top line puck distributor...especially for Savoie to develop. Lane Pederson aint it.

 

[CupofOil]

What makes you think he can be a star though? Yes his playoffs where he took a back seat to 3 other players who eclipsed him.
If he still had a star projection he would have gone for far more than McLeod as SOME team would have offered something better.
I’m not saying he can’t, I’m just saying I don’t see anything that makes me believe he can.
I have been wrong before I have been right before. Just giving my opinion, you are welcome to yours.

Just because one of the worst organizations of the last decade sold low on a player doesn't indicate that the player has low value.
Just because he didn't set the world on fire in 4 games of a junior tournament that doesn't mean his stock took a nosedive either.

You literally said "he won't be a star" so that statement in isolation sure sounds like you're saying he can't. If that's not the case then fair enough but it read as you being certain that he won't.

I can't say one way or the other if he will be a star because it's such a small pro sample size to draw from but you can see that he has the skills to potentially be one if he puts it all together. Is it likely? Probably not because very few prospects turn into stars but I won't say for certain that he won't be.

 

[Giggleplex]

Things looking up for the Condors

 

[BarDownBobo]

What makes you think he can be a star though? Yes his playoffs where he took a back seat to 3 other players who eclipsed him.
If he still had a star projection he would have gone for far more than McLeod as SOME team would have offered something better.
I’m not saying he can’t, I’m just saying I don’t see anything that makes me believe he can.
I have been wrong before I have been right before. Just giving my opinion, you are welcome to yours.

This is such a poor argument, by that logic Filip Forsberg should have been a bust because the Caps only got Martin Erat in return. The Sabres didn’t shop Savoie around to the whole league and pick the best return they could get, they specifically targeted McLeod and then paid the price it took to get the Oilers to move him.

 

[Oilhawks]

Not for him.

He called Broberg Matt Benning 2.0 30 seconds after we drafted him.

It's funny too as the two players are nowhere near alike. The poster knew nothing at all about Broberg and made grand declarations

Easy to respond from a point of negativity when that's the framework their entire life is built around (seemingly)

 

[CycloneSweep]

This is such a poor argument, by that logic Filip Forsberg should have been a bust because the Caps only got Martin Erat in return. The Sabres didn’t shop Savoie around to the whole league and pick the best return they could get, they specifically targeted McLeod and then paid the price it took to get the Oilers to move him.

That’s a fair point.

I do wonder what people see in him that they think he could be a star.

 

[McDNicks17]

Roby Jarventie ...will we see him this year.
Bako needs a top line puck distributor...especially for Savoie to develop. Lane Pederson aint it.

Savoie is the top line puck distributor.

Pederson has been huge for him. 19 points between them in the last 7 games.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Savoie is the top line puck distributor.

Pederson has been huge for him. 19 points between them in the last 7 games.

Yeah, getting Pederson healthy has been a big part of Savoie (and the rest of the team) settling in over the last 5 or 6 games.

Looks like they got Hamblin back this past weekend too.

 

[walktheboulavard]

There’s different levels of bust anyways. Will he be an NHL player. Most likely. Will he be the player people thought when he was drafted, no. But that doesn’t mean he will be a bad player.

I am worried about his effectiveness and longevity in the NhL due to his size but that’s not something that effects him until it does.

Not to pile on but what what kind of player did you think he was projected to be? Did you expect him to beat defenders wide and Forsberg goalies regularly?

He's a first year pro 9th overall pick. He's producing fine in what has been a anemic system offensively and it often takes first year pros until second half of the season to truly get acclimated anyways. The kid's alright, and displaying high end skill unparallel by anyone else in our prospect pool and for a little while now.

Also, regarding other players producing more than him the playoffs has no impact on his stock. He was traded to a stacked team in season and they had Jagger Firkus and Brayden Yager playing first line (2 players that out produced him). He centered the second line and drove offense by himself.

 

[CycloneSweep]

Not to pile on but what what kind of player did you think he was projected to be? Did you expect him to beat defenders wide and Forsberg goalies regularly?

He's a first year pro 9th overall pick. He's producing fine in what has been a anemic system offensively and it often takes first year pros until second half of the season to truly get acclimated anyways. The kid's alright, and displaying high end skill unparallel by anyone else in our prospect pool and for a little while now.

Also, regarding other players producing more than him the playoffs has no impact on his stock. He was traded to a stacked team in season and they had Jagger Firkus and Brayden Yager playing first line (2 players that out produced him). He centered the second line and drove offense by himself.

Like I’ve said numerous times. I think he will be a good NHL player but not a star.
I classify a star as like a top 60 player in the league. Like it’s not wild to think he won’t be one of the 60 best players in the league.

I’ve even defended his production numerous times.

 

[walktheboulavard]

Like I’ve said numerous times. I think he will be a good NHL player but not a star.
I classify a star as like a top 60 player in the league. Like it’s not wild to think he won’t be one of the 60 best players in the league.

I’ve even defended his production numerous times.

I think it kind of comes off pessimistic. There was no need to place definitive limit on his prospective ceiling when he hasn't given you reason.

 

[CycloneSweep]

I think it kind of comes off pessimistic. There was no need to place definitive limit on his prospective ceiling when he hasn't given you reason.

Entirely reasonable. I’ll be more aware of that in the future.

 

[Fourier]

Like I’ve said numerous times. I think he will be a good NHL player but not a star.
I classify a star as like a top 60 player in the league. Like it’s not wild to think he won’t be one of the 60 best players in the league.

I’ve even defended his production numerous times.

If you are expecting a top 60 player in the League out of a pick it had better be top 2-3. Take a look at the all time list of players drafted 9th overall.

NHL Players selected at the 9th draft position at hockeydb.com

All players selected with the 9th position in the NHL draft

www.hockeydb.com

Aside from Leetch no one sticks out as a top 60 player consistently. There are a few who probably drifted in and out of that group, but even then only 4-5. And by that definition there are a lot of players in the league that would not be stars. Look at a guy like Mark Sheifele. I doubt he would be on anyone's top 60 list but I bet people in Winnipeg view him as a star player.

You are of course entitled to you own definition of the word, but I suspect what you define as a star would be different from what many do. Would anyone be disappointed if he turned out to be Nic Ehlers, another 9th pick who is definitely not in the top 60 players in the league. In the end though, it really does not matter because the Oilers don't need Savoie to be a top 60 player or even Nic Ehlers. They just need him to be a cheap productive NHL'er. And the good news is that he is looking like he can fill that bill.

 

[TheNumber4]

What makes you think he can be a star though? Yes his playoffs where he took a back seat to 3 other players who eclipsed him.
If he still had a star projection he would have gone for far more than McLeod as SOME team would have offered something better.
I’m not saying he can’t, I’m just saying I don’t see anything that makes me believe he can.
I have been wrong before I have been right before. Just giving my opinion, you are welcome to yours.

I don’t get this playoff knock against Savoie.

Wasn’t he traded to that team near the end of the season? He came in as mercenary complement to an already established forward core. No doubt the coaches treated him as an extra luxury piece to put them over the top rather than him being the main guy on that already stacked team.