Prospect Info: Bakersfield Condors '16-17 Thread

[tiger_80]

This is something that is often forgotten (also by me), there is still time. The problem is that many think he is a known commodity on the NHL level, unlike Hendricks and Letestu when they came into the league. The second problem with that could be that he will get tired of having a (more or less) stable situation in a team without the risk of having to packing his bags up every second week.

For the rest I cannot agree more, he was also quoted in the same piece saying that he feels/felt very good playing this season, NHL and AHL. Comfortable defensively in his first stint with the big team and much improved offensively after his first run in the AHL. His own words pretty much match yours, mine and others take on his season so far.

I think he's an NHL player, good enough for a 4th line role. It's just that Letestu has more skills offensively while Hendricks is more physical. Hopefully, Lander gets his chance this year and takes a step forward. I think there is a player there based on what he have shown in the past.

 

[McJadeddog]

I think he's an NHL player, good enough for a 4th line role. It's just that Letestu has more skills offensively while Hendricks is more physical. Hopefully, Lander gets his chance this year and takes a step forward. I think there is a player there based on what he have shown in the past.

i think lander is an NHLer, no doubt about it, but i think he needs a more offensive role, which he seems very unlikely to get with the oilers.... something like a 3rd line C role seems good for him... i realize that his skating is an issue in the NHL, but he has all the tools you need in a player... he leads the AHL in PPG by a healthy margin, and its not like he's beating guys wide in the AHL and playing a speed game.... at least some of his AHL scoring should theoretically bleed through to the NHL

i doubt he makes it to the show full time with the oilers, but i think he'll catch on with another team... he is VERY good on faceoffs, and very responsible defensively... he's a guy i have no problem playing in my bottom 6 anytime

 

[McFlyingV]

i think lander is an NHLer, no doubt about it, but i think he needs a more offensive role, which he seems very unlikely to get with the oilers.... something like a 3rd line C role seems good for him... i realize that his skating is an issue in the NHL, but he has all the tools you need in a player... he leads the AHL in PPG by a healthy margin, and its not like he's beating guys wide in the AHL and playing a speed game.... at least some of his AHL scoring should theoretically bleed through to the NHL

i doubt he makes it to the show full time with the oilers, but i think he'll catch on with another team... he is VERY good on faceoffs, and very responsible defensively... he's a guy i have no problem playing in my bottom 6 anytime

Its possible, but I also think he needs to play with fast wingers. He played his best hockey when we was with Hall and Miller imo, both of who were fast skaters.

Wouldn't mind giving him a try with Slepyshev and Pouliot or Caggiula. Hell, even bringing up Pulju on the wing with him at some point is something I'd entertain.

 

[easternrefugee]

Since Lander has been here in Bako, Oil PK has gone from #2 to #23. Lander is a VERY true asset here and he would be a great leader here however realistically he is cheap and deserves to be a 3rd or 4th line C. Where are you going to find someone as good at face offs for the price and hope they work out???

We won this weekend because Lander took all of the draws at critical times. he even double or triple shifted.

As for JP, people really need to STOP looking at his points and start looking at his play making. He has lots of turnovers here. His back checking is not good. Sure he can be offensive and I saw him for the first time go straight to the net with confidence. he did not score but it allowed DuPont to circle around the net and bang home the rebound.

 

[Consultant]

Lander is the 3rd line C we are looking for.
Can win draws, can PK, can play strong defensive hockey.
Free to acquire.
Give him some decent wingers.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Lander is the 3rd line C we are looking for.
Can win draws, can PK, can play strong defensive hockey.
Free to acquire.
Give him some decent wingers.

Honestly I'm to he point where I'm annoyed he hasn't even been give a shot with it. Put him with Pouliot and Kassian, and you've got a decent possession line, unlike when Caggiula's there.

Pouliot-Lander-Kassian
Caggiula/Khaira/Hendricks-Letestu-Pakarinen

Not great, but that should be the bottom 6 currently. I'm not even that concern about the lack of offence there, as both lines could be decent defensively and don't need to be sheltered. Let McDavid have all the offensive opportunities, and if he's too tired, throw out the Draisaitl line.

It's not a strategy that's going to the cup (it's basically how the 05/06 Sharks operated, or Pittsburgh pre-Kessell), but it gets this team moving in the right direction.

 

[Digger12]

It was actually infuriating listening to Stauffer on Oilers Now today.

He went on and on about how the Oilers PK was hitting the ditch because they couldn't win a faceoff in their own end, that they needed to bring in a center who could help out with that.

And I'm all but yelling at my radio feed, "WHAT ABOUT LANDER???"

I'm not saying he's some faceoff superstar or anything, but IMO he's at least as good as Letestu with faceoffs, and Letestu is our best faceoff guy right now as sad as that is.

The only thing I can think of that would be a negative against Lander in this role is that he's a leftie, and maybe the Oilers are pining for a right handed center who can PK and win draws.

I dunno, it just seems like this team's thrown Lander away like a dirty sock in the laundry hamper. Stauffer didn't mention him once when I was listening...didn't listen to the last half hour so maybe he brought him up then but I doubt it.

 

[McFlyingV]

Since Lander has been here in Bako, Oil PK has gone from #2 to #23. Lander is a VERY true asset here and he would be a great leader here however realistically he is cheap and deserves to be a 3rd or 4th line C. Where are you going to find someone as good at face offs for the price and hope they work out???

We won this weekend because Lander took all of the draws at critical times. he even double or triple shifted.

As for JP, people really need to STOP looking at his points and start looking at his play making. He has lots of turnovers here. His back checking is not good. Sure he can be offensive and I saw him for the first time go straight to the net with confidence. he did not score but it allowed DuPont to circle around the net and bang home the rebound.

You keep saying that people need to watch the game and stop looking at Jesse's points, but quite a few of us do watch the majority of Bakersfield games and I completely disagree with your assessment.

 

[Tw0Shoes]

You keep saying that people need to watch the game and stop looking at Jesse's points, but quite a few of us do watch the majority of Bakersfield games and I completely disagree with your assessment.

Watching live is always different.

 

[Senor Catface]

Since Lander has been here in Bako, Oil PK has gone from #2 to #23. Lander is a VERY true asset here and he would be a great leader here however realistically he is cheap and deserves to be a 3rd or 4th line C. Where are you going to find someone as good at face offs for the price and hope they work out???

We won this weekend because Lander took all of the draws at critical times. he even double or triple shifted.

As for JP, people really need to STOP looking at his points and start looking at his play making. He has lots of turnovers here. His back checking is not good. Sure he can be offensive and I saw him for the first time go straight to the net with confidence. he did not score but it allowed DuPont to circle around the net and bang home the rebound.

How many times do people need to tell you it's 2017. Games are available online and plenty of people watch the games. There's a lot more going on then people stat watching.

 

[joestevens29]

Lander is the 3rd line C we are looking for.
Can win draws, can PK, can play strong defensive hockey.
Free to acquire.
Give him some decent wingers.

If Lander was a 3C he wouldn't be going through waivers unclaimed.


Flemming on Gregor's show yesterday talked about Chase playing top 6 on weekend. Caught me off guard, but Flemming sure praised the guy.

 

[joestevens29]

It was actually infuriating listening to Stauffer on Oilers Now today.

He went on and on about how the Oilers PK was hitting the ditch because they couldn't win a faceoff in their own end, that they needed to bring in a center who could help out with that.

And I'm all but yelling at my radio feed, "WHAT ABOUT LANDER???"

I'm not saying he's some faceoff superstar or anything, but IMO he's at least as good as Letestu with faceoffs, and Letestu is our best faceoff guy right now as sad as that is.

The only thing I can think of that would be a negative against Lander in this role is that he's a leftie, and maybe the Oilers are pining for a right handed center who can PK and win draws.

I dunno, it just seems like this team's thrown Lander away like a dirty sock in the laundry hamper. Stauffer didn't mention him once when I was listening...didn't listen to the last half hour so maybe he brought him up then but I doubt it.

The team appears done with lander.

 

[Senor Catface]

Watching live is always different.

The majority of what a winger does can be seen in the context of the camera. It limits your ability to see the full picture of every player, but you can very easily focus on one player and learn a lot.

You don't have to see a guy live to get the benefits.

 

[Tw0Shoes]

If Lander was a 3C he wouldn't be going through waivers unclaimed.


Flemming on Gregor's show yesterday talked about Chase playing top 6 on weekend. Caught me off guard, but Flemming sure praised the guy.

When was the last time Lander had to clear waivers? At the beginning of the season when everyone gets through?

 

[joestevens29]

When was the last time Lander had to clear waivers? At the beginning of the season when everyone gets through?

Was on it twice from what I gather. Once to start and then again Nov 18th.

It has been awhile, but if he was that good why wouldn't someone have traded for him by now?

I'm not saying he's not a NHLer, but I really don't see anything that would suggest he's a 3C.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

He's a 4C that is good on the PK. Not enough offense for a 3C. Basically a LH Boyd Gordon.

 

[Digger12]

The Condors with a 5-0 win tonight.



Josh Currie with a huge night, 3 goals and an assist. No points for Puljujarvi. Reinhart with another 2 assists.

And while he went pointless, just going by the highlights it sounded like Chase was involved in the play a lot, creating a bunch of chances.

Laleggia's on a nice little streak too, 4-2-6 in his last 4 games.

 

[Del Preston]

Zach Pochiro (from the Yakupov trade) has two assists in three games since joining the Condors. How does he look?

 

[McFlyingV]

Zach Pochiro (from the Yakupov trade) has two assists in three games since joining the Condors. How does he look?

I've watched the last 3 games, or at least most of them since he got called up. He looks like a decent AHL player with a bit of skill, but nothing stands out as NHL level prospect to me, especially given his age.

 

[Aceboogie]

Nick Ellis has a 0.924 sv%, best sv% for rookie goalies. 3rd highest sv% in AHL. For comparison, Demko is a rookie rocking a 0.889 sv% and Gillies is his former NCAA teammate in his 2nd year and has a 0.909 sv%

 

[Senor Catface]

Patrick Russell has, over the course of the year, contributed more and more. From what I saw around game 20 or so to now, he's looking like an improved player.

Worth watching for next year.

And to repeat myself, Joey Laleggia is actually a good LW prospect. If he was on LW the whole season, and kept this pace, he would be a 25-30 goal guy.

 

[McFlyingV]

Nick Ellis has a 0.924 sv%, best sv% for rookie goalies. 3rd highest sv% in AHL. For comparison, Demko is a rookie rocking a 0.889 sv% and Gillies is his former NCAA teammate in his 2nd year and has a 0.909 sv%

I think his play has really evolved since he's got more playing time tbh. His rebound control was suspect when I watched him early in the season, but it has improved quite a bit of late. He moves well, has good positioning, and is great at stopping high quality point blank shots.

I didn't expect a ton out of him, despite him looking solid in the prospects tourney, but he has really impressed me this year and especially of late. Could have NHL upside down the road.

Patrick Russell has, over the course of the year, contributed more and more. From what I saw around game 20 or so to now, he's looking like an improved player.

Worth watching for next year.

And to repeat myself, Joey Laleggia is actually a good LW prospect. If he was on LW the whole season, and kept this pace, he would be a 25-30 goal guy.

I'd echo exactly what you said. Russell has improved quite a bit and could be interesting to watch for next year. Laleggia has been awesome since settling in on the wing. He skates well, has a good accurate shot, good offensive instincts and IQ, and a very solid playmaker (despite his high goal to assist ratio) in the offensive zone. Its really his only shot at the NHL and he's starting to make a decent case for it as a speedy undersized winger. Next season (assuming he clears waivers) will be interesting to follow for him. Could see him explode offensively.

 

[joestevens29]

I've watched the last 3 games, or at least most of them since he got called up. He looks like a decent AHL player with a bit of skill, but nothing stands out as NHL level prospect to me, especially given his age.

Honestly is he can continue doing well in the AHL i'd take that as a good surprise for this club. It really seemed like we just took a contract. Any sort of positive play in the AHL is just gravy

 

[nexttothemoon]

Honestly is he can continue doing well in the AHL i'd take that as a good surprise for this club. It really seemed like we just took a contract. Any sort of positive play in the AHL is just gravy

I didn't even know he was actually still playing hockey. I just assumed it was a player that had essentially drifted away into the sunset somewhere and it was just to balance out contracts. The fact he's playing on the Condors is actually a surprise.

 

[easternrefugee]

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Beck was a different player before and after his call up to the NHL. He came back less opportunistic and ended up on the second line where he has been invisible. Previously with Lander the two of them set the Ahl on fire. When he came back both fell into obscurity. Lander is finally making a comeback. The trade was great in that we get s legit NHL player for one who is destined to be an Ahl vet. Loved him pre call up. Disappointed heavily after send down