Blue Jays Discussion: Back in Toronto AND things are happening (trade deadline @ 4pm ET/1pm PT today)

[Morgs]

If it was two of anyone other than Martin/Moreno from our top-8 I would have been skeptical. Adding Martin is just a crushing blow to something that should have made us over the f***ing moon.

 

[JimmySpaetzle]

I would get it if we were getting Kimbrel and Bryant in a deal or something but holy smokes

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

Berrios, 27
1.5 years control
3.4 WAR per year
Return: #16 prospect + #68

Stroman, 28
1.5 years control
3.4 WAR per year
Return: 0 top 100 prospects

 

[Blitzkrug]

If this is how the game is being played then they better not bitch out and be ready to add more. Either via trade or offseason acquisition.

This is essentially announcing the window is now open. So you better actually work to keep it open

 

[Beantown Beatdown]

There’s gotta be something else coming back right?? As it was mentioned, I was soooo stoked for the Jays to be back home and then I see Austin Martin was involved in a trade and the Jays still lost the trade.

 

[Seath The Scaleless]

They're all joking! Kepler or another piece is part of the deal...haha. Right???

Right?!?!?

 

[WeThreeKings]

I think for me the scariest part is we still have holes in the bullpen and at 3B..

But with emptying 2 prime trade pieces in one trade, when no one else has done anything similar - you're now looking at the ask being Groshans, Orelvis and/or Moreno for any other trade we make and that's just unfathomable.

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

Ridiculous overpay. We have a deep enough farm that Martin shouldn't have even been in the conversation in the same way San Diego never gives up their top tier guys.

 

[kovacro]

 

[Morgs]

The bright side is that Berrios is great, and has another year of control. He may also re-sign at the age of 28. The not so bright side is that this is significantly more than what the Dodgers traded for Scherzer AND Turner.

 

[weems]

 

[TheTotalPackage]

Very, very surprising. This is the type of move that seems to go against the blueprint Shapiro and Atkins have laid out.

I know I've wanted them to be more ballsy in trades. Just didn't expect them to overpay in young prospect capital like they just did in a year that isn't one to go all in for.

 

[SDig14]

Unless they're just gonna spend like f***ing crazy this offseason and extend Ray, Berrios, Semien and buy a big time 3B.

This package should have been close for Jose Ramirez...

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

And here I kept my Pablo Lopez for Austin Martin-plus trade idea to myself cause I thought I would be ridiculed. lol

 

[as Pure as Evil]

we wanted a big move. heres a big move. 95% of us knew if they did one it was going to be a ugly price. but we got a nice right hander to put between ryu and ray now that will be around this season and next.

 

[TF97]

Even if both SWR and Martin have genuine concerns (many prospects do) you would still think they could get more value back for them than 1.5 years of Berrios. This is nothing against Berrios, he is a good pitcher, but he is not the ace he was just valued at. I can't believe the Dodgers arguably paid less for both Scherzer and Turner. This just doesn't seem to align with what this front office has been trying to do since taking over the team. I just can't wrap my head around it.

 

[kovacro]

Doesn't make me feel any better.

 

[theaub]

Even though its a massive overpay, I still prefer it to doing nothing.

This should be the window.

 

[SDig14]

I guess we have Bo and Vladdy gooefully for another 10 years. Maybe they legitimately see Groshans to be better long term than Martin? Groshans certainly more likely 3B than Martin and both can play SS.

 

[Amadeus]

Orelvis is without a doubt our top prospect and was our top prospect.

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

Is it possible they were underwhelmed by Martin's debut and wanted to sell high before his stock fell?

 

[weems]

The front office must be totally convinced they can resign this guy to a longterm contract or I just dont understand this seeing what other teams have given up in the past few days.

 

[Morgs]

I believe in them too, but Martin should be the best of the bunch and was the only one that had potential to switch to CF.

 

[SDig14]

Groshans, Bo, Vlad, Orelvis, Moreno. Groshans, Bo, Vlad, Orelvis, Moreno. Groshans, Bo, Vlad, Orelvis, Moreno. Just reminding myself.

At this point, I'd trade Kirk for something too then and if you can get Gomes/Jansen for playoffs that helps too.

Kirk for a reliever?

 

[Tony Romo]

Even though its a massive overpay, I still prefer it to doing nothing.

This should be the window.

Maybe they also think they can sign him?