PainForShane
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We're not aiming nearly high enough. In both (all?) of our alternate universes, those three guys (and others!) would all be Yotes. BOOOM
Confirmed with Link: [AZ/OTT] Jakob Chychrun in exchange for a conditional first in ’23, a conditional second in ’24, & a 2nd in ‘26
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We're not aiming nearly high enough. In both (all?) of our alternate universes, those three guys (and others!) would all be Yotes. BOOOM
Coyotes fans are like hood rats, trailer trash, slum dogs, etc. we're so low on the ladder even the thought of a legit superstar on the team seems about as likely as aliens invading tomorrow let alone multiple super stars. For example see how easily we've accepted our first rounder being waaaay out of lottery pick range because deep down...we know....we know we're not allowed to have such nice things.
Chych's poor D play hurt the team as he was being show cased could be a small part of it, the bigger piece is that it was a huge distraction, getting rid of the distraction is what we are seeing in the results since he has been out of the line up. This is why you don't drag these things out forever
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NHL Buzz: Chychrun out weeks for Senators with lower-body injury | NHL.com
Golden Knights without Smith, Thompson, Martinez; Klingberg sidelined for Wild
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I wonder how many revised trade return takes we will now be subjected to.NHL Buzz: Chychrun out weeks for Senators with lower-body injury | NHL.com
Golden Knights without Smith, Thompson, Martinez; Klingberg sidelined for Wild
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Going to be really awkward if Arizona passes Ottawa next year and he is once again on IR.
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For Jakey.
I kid but I'm happy the distraction is behind us and we have a decent 1st round pick coming our way. I'll take this trade over two Boston or Toronto 1sts any day.
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Funny to read the Ottawa thread pulling a spin zone on how he will come back much stronger next year and this isn’t a concern…. When all they were saying before the trade was how much of a concern his injuries are. Hilarious.
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Chych is working out too much! I think he should just say f*** it, eat hot dogs, slam back cokes like phil the thrill kessel and see what happens.
Chychrun injury history was the main reason I (and many here) wanted to move him despite him being a damn good d-man. Second reason was age and the estimated timeline of us being competitive, he would've been slightly too old and getting older.
Sucks for Ottawa but they knew his injury history and it's the risk they took. I'm glad GMBA sat him during trade negotiations, it was only a matter of time before he got injured again.
Sucks for Ottawa but they knew his injury history and it's the risk they took. I'm glad GMBA sat him during trade negotiations, it was only a matter of time before he got injured again.
Is anyone surprised? Chych always gets injured, he has played less games than Hanzal at equal points in their careers. His injury history and being average to below defensively is why we didn't get BAs way over market ask of 2 1sts and a prospect.
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What I've always said was put yourself in the other GM's seat. Imagine being the buyer and paying that steep price for a 24 year old who has been under the knife three times already? Or was it four? No way I'd ever pay that.
Where I disagree is regarding the return BA got. An 11-13 first pick is a huge return in a stacked '23 draft for the problem/distraction we had since the trade talks began. It's better than two Boston 1sts. Plus there's a couple of 2nds in the trade.
Ottawa fleeced us after they acquired him on that playoff bound hot streak, right? Now they sit all but finished and Chychrun has a season ending injury.
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Yup. It’s getting ugly too.
We need to do everything we can to be in montreals spot at the end of the season.
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And with the #5 pick Coyotes are proud to select Matvei Michkov!
If we end at 5 with the way the end of this season has gone it will be absolutely amazing. Players developed, culture was built and we get a can't miss prospect. Having our cake and eating it too for the first time ever. Oh yeah and it sure looks like we will have another top 13 pick.
The team that ends up 5th worst has a 58% chance of drafting 6th or 7th.
The team that ends up 6th worst has a 76% chance of drafting 6th or 7th.
I don't really see dropping past Montreal as a big deal. I won't argue though, it would be great if the Habs went on a win streak.
The team that ends up 6th worst has a 76% chance of drafting 6th or 7th.
I don't really see dropping past Montreal as a big deal. I won't argue though, it would be great if the Habs went on a win streak.
The 11-13 pick is likely to not be as good as Chych, and if they are it will be 3-4 years out. The seconds are likely to not have any impact as NHL players. Its better than 2 Boston firsts sure, but its not better than 2 Ottawa firsts and a prospect. BA said 2 firsts, he didn't say 2 late firsts.
After 18 months of shopping, we got market value, I don't have an issue with the return. The Ottawa GM was hoping Chych could help push them into the playoffs this year but he was really counting on Chych being good the next 2 years as the team matures.
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The 5th worst team also has a 24,5% chance of drafting 5th and a 0% chance of drafting 8th while the 6th worst team has a 0% chance of drafting 5th and a 9,1% chance of drafting 8th.
In my eyes that is a big difference.
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I'd argue the two late firsts were implied as Chychrun was saying the whole time he wanted to go to a contender (contenders pick later in the round). And also usually contenders have less cap space I thought it meant they'd be willing to pay more (ie higher package) because harder to fit in a truly top tier defenseman. But, Boston went with a 31 year old Orlov at a slightly greater cap hit, you'd have to think they would've preferred Chychrun but didn't want to pay the acquisition cost (which is understandable from their side, that team hardly has top-tier prospects).
Anyway to me Bill Armstrong clearly got his ask due to the position of the first -- put another way if we had gotten Boston's 2023 first, 2024 first, and a 2024 second from BOS everyone would've said Bill got his ask, what we actually got from OTT is higher value than that. So to me it's pretty clear that Bill got what he's been asking for this whole time.
Which is not to say this return will for sure equal Chych's value, I wouldn't have traded Chych I don't think. That is a different discussion though.
Anyway Chych is injured again, let's see who we draft and how that person's career ends up going. Then we can talk about this trade once Chych signs somewhere else as a UFA in a few years (assumes Ottawa doesn't reach contender status by then, we'll see what happens)
