Bill Peckerskull
Fargin' Icehole
Much like Gibson, the team around him plays a big factor on how bad his numbers have been. Hard to be a really good goalie on a shit team.
Confirmed with Link: Avs trade Annunen and 2025 6th for Scott Wedgewood (NSH)
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shadow1
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I gave plenty of context. Annunen getting Colorado back to .500 earlier this year isn't shining up an .872 SV%.
dahrougem2
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I don't think Annunen is very good BUT I do think Bednar's leash with him was absurdly short. To the point of it being insane how much he prefers Georgiev.
Annunen had 4 starts above .920, 3 starts between .850-.875, and 2 starts where he was god awful and got pulled.
Georgiev has had 4 starts above .920, 5 starts between .850-.875, and 5 starts where he has been below .85p to downright horrible in the .600s.
One guy got absolutely torn to shreds by his head coach in games following poor play, even after wins like against Ottawa.
The other guy has consistently heard from his coach post game that "Georgie is our guy" and "I like how Georgie battled."
It's a clear double standard that Jared has and I just don't get it. Georgiev isn't some franchise goalie who needs that level of coddling.
I think Cmac and the team has accepted the faith, that we rise and die with George and Nuke. It's Mission Impossible but we wish for the best and it's probably the best approach we have with the limited cap we have.
That's how it feels like.
My opinion:
We will never win the Stanley Cup as long as George plays any significant role. Nuke is a player we probably just have to gamble with, because he is very tough to replace, we like him or not. Georges level shouldn't be hard to replace or improve.
That's how it feels like.
My opinion:
We will never win the Stanley Cup as long as George plays any significant role. Nuke is a player we probably just have to gamble with, because he is very tough to replace, we like him or not. Georges level shouldn't be hard to replace or improve.
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Then our GM should be fired on the spot.
Its his f***ing job to do something about that und solve this bullshit. The writting is on the wall since last season.
And no, our "Mission Impossible" is still not Nuke or Georgie.... This team is always injured to a point it becomes comical. Thats why we never win another cup. On top our captain is nowhere to be seen since weeks....
Its a shame that this franchise and GM wasts the prime years of 3 of the best 10 players in this league.
TruePowerSlave
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CMac has been incredibly foolish with the goalie situation, like dumb as bricks.
Just such a weird situation when the issue is blatantly obvious for everyone to see, but the man refuses to do anything about it and is willing to piss away entire seasons for an otherwise pretty good team.
Just such a weird situation when the issue is blatantly obvious for everyone to see, but the man refuses to do anything about it and is willing to piss away entire seasons for an otherwise pretty good team.
The Abusement Park
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Annunen isn’t good… he doesn’t have the upside to be a trusted goalie. He can be fine enough against bad teams, but there’s a reason Bednar doesn’t like him. He can’t be trusted when it matters and doesn’t have the upside Georgie does while having the same downside.
TruePowerSlave
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The double standards were kinda ridiculous. Georgiev cannot do nearly anything wrong for Bednar no matter how awful he plays. At least call a spade a spade.
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I've seen posts like this throughout the thread and I just find them weird.
It's not like the TDL has come and gone and now we're heading down the stretch with theses players.
I posted last week that both goalies should be moved out - but just because the backup is moved before the starter, it doesn't mean George is here to stay.
If MacKinnon continues to play like his pre-Duchene trade days, it's going to force CMac hands one way or another on nuke.
We haven't really heard anything else which would point out them trying to trade away these two.
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I'm reminded of the phrase "The whole is greater than the sum of its parts". Seems to me that the Avs are the exact opposite of that.
There are some really good individual players on the roster, but as a team, they play a pretty mediocre brand of hockey on many nights.
Bender
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When have you heard about something the Avs are going to do? Mainstream media clearly doesn't know and are always throwing darts trying to figure out what they are going to do.
Last season, I kept telling everyone that Byram was the odd man out and that he was going to get shipped out. A lot of people kept saying 'no way', were not going to trade him, etc, etc...
I'll be pretty surprised if nuke and george are still on this roster come playoff time.
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Bednar's harshest comment against Annunen that I'm aware of was the Capitals game:
- "They weren't good enough. For sure Justus. First shot, point shot, no screen. Second one, no good. Third one, didn't like that one either."
- "Didn't love the start from Juice, go to Georgie because we had a little jump. Thought the game was still in reach and it wasn't, so went back to Juice to give Georgie some rest."
- "I mean I'd have to have his numbers in front of me versus specific opponents to talk on that though".
The Capitals game comments were blunt, for sure. You're saying Bednar tore Annunen to absolute shreds, someone else said Bednar buried him. I'd say that's an exaggeration. It's also exaggerated that Bednar never criticizes Georgiev. Going all the way back to opening night, Bednar didn't exactly have glowing comments about Georgiev's performance:
- "Every mistake we made tonight ended up in the back of our net. Literally almost everyone. It's not good enough."
Bender
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Ok fine you win. I certainly don't have the time to dissect this thing to THAT degree.
For me, following the Avs closely but not "I'm going to make sure I don't miss 1 quote or a minute of ANY Avs content ever" (cuz I have kids and a job and just not even close to that kind of time) - it just always seemed TO ME to be that :
When George had a bad game - Bednar 'we have to be better in front of him' and when Justus had a bad game it was just him that was bad.
It wasn't so much that Bednar completely tore Annunen to shreds because he didn't but he certainly didn't give him the whole "the team has to be better in front of him" courtesy that Georgiev kept getting and keeps getting when he's god f***ing awful.
If you want to keep missing that point, go right ahead.
AvBuff
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The Avs starting goalie for the 2025 SCPs is not on the roster at the moment. No sense trying to make heads or tails out of Bednar or management's public statements about AG or JA. They ain't thrilled with either . AG has a longer leash because he's been better, for longer and actually played well during the playoffs last year.
I don't recall anybody clamoring to trade Georgiev during the summer. But like a relief pitcher who suddenly can't throw strikes, GA needs to move on. But nobody is going to give us a good goalie for nothing. At least not now.
I don't recall anybody clamoring to trade Georgiev during the summer. But like a relief pitcher who suddenly can't throw strikes, GA needs to move on. But nobody is going to give us a good goalie for nothing. At least not now.
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I’d love to believe this as well, but until it happens, we have no idea what the Avs will do with AG for the remainder of this year.
I’m fairly confident he’s gone AFTER this year, but it’s a complete unknown if anything happens during the year.
shadow1
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I am so sorry that I provided receipts to support my viewpoint. They were super difficult to find and type out. But I get it, "muh job and muh kids, no time." Time enough to post in this thread four times, though.
I'm not missing the point, I'm disagreeing with it. At best, it's an exaggeration of the truth. And as far as I can tell, it's mostly based on what Bednar said after the Capitals game. I again direct you to Bednar's quotes. I hope they're a valuable resource, as I had to quit my job and put my kids up for adoption to transcribe them.
dahrougem2
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I don't know where you were, but majority of this board wanted Georgiev gone even post-playoffs.
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Ever since we started calling him Fourgiev, people have wanted him gone
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I'm not reading all of this but plenty of people had given up on him even before the playoffs last year. Other factors obviously had more influence on our eventual exit but game 1 against Winnipeg is one of the worst things I've seen from a goalie, including the statue of liberty play.
The more I think about this trade the angrier I get. If you think it through it's the most expensive cheap move they could have made. We all assume.... hope, whatever, that Georgiev isn't staying here past the end of his contract. Annunen was signed until next year at league minimum and has 30 NHL games to his name. If we keep him, he's a cheap option to have around. He might come good, he might not. Either way he's not really any worse than the alternative at his worst, he's cheaper, and he's less of an arsehole.
Not only does the trade not actually improve the goaltending, it says they're still hoping Georgiev magically becomes a worthwhile starter for long enough this season to avoid having to spend assets on acquiring anyone else. Wedgewood is a backup and is happy with that. Acquiring that is purely to placate Georgiev and give him the best possible opportunity to become something he's realistically only ever been for less than half of his time here so far.
Wedgewood is signed another year at 1.5 million. This is from an organisation that sends down and recalls several players on a daily basis in order to save pennies in overall cap hit, but we're happy to suddenly double our spending on a backup goalie to maybe hope that an arsehole with no consistency or form is suddenly going to save our team enough to avoid having to trade for someone else and stop Makar from playing half an hour a night? f*** off. This is progressing from managerial incompetence to outright self-harm, and it really can't carry on much longer.
The more I think about this trade the angrier I get. If you think it through it's the most expensive cheap move they could have made. We all assume.... hope, whatever, that Georgiev isn't staying here past the end of his contract. Annunen was signed until next year at league minimum and has 30 NHL games to his name. If we keep him, he's a cheap option to have around. He might come good, he might not. Either way he's not really any worse than the alternative at his worst, he's cheaper, and he's less of an arsehole.
Not only does the trade not actually improve the goaltending, it says they're still hoping Georgiev magically becomes a worthwhile starter for long enough this season to avoid having to spend assets on acquiring anyone else. Wedgewood is a backup and is happy with that. Acquiring that is purely to placate Georgiev and give him the best possible opportunity to become something he's realistically only ever been for less than half of his time here so far.
Wedgewood is signed another year at 1.5 million. This is from an organisation that sends down and recalls several players on a daily basis in order to save pennies in overall cap hit, but we're happy to suddenly double our spending on a backup goalie to maybe hope that an arsehole with no consistency or form is suddenly going to save our team enough to avoid having to trade for someone else and stop Makar from playing half an hour a night? f*** off. This is progressing from managerial incompetence to outright self-harm, and it really can't carry on much longer.
Metallo
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It baffles me that coaching/management did not have confidence in Annunen but CMac went with him in the offseason.
That's twice now that the front office was seemingly high on a player the coaching staff was essentially done with. First one was Newhook, then it was Annunen.
Rumplesnipeskin
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Let’s snag Sid in that trade, too
Edit: probably just me, but I like Elvis “Mystery Box” Merz[] as well, but it’s admittedly a gamble which version of Elvis enters the building. I don’t think status quo works, so take a flyer.
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