Confirmed with Link: Avs Sign Oskar Olausson to ELC

[Alex Jones]

I don't buy the Avs can't develop bottom 6 guys. LOC looks like he'll be a great one. Jost and Compher have spent their entire pro careers in the Avs' org. I just think the Avs are very bad at finding guys who can fit what they do and be okay when they disappoint. In that case, Jost is a shining example of that possibly changing in the org. They've kept him around despite him disappointing on the level they thought he'd be.

I do think the Avs have high expectations and low patience levels on players. If a player can't cut it early in their by their 3rd ELC year, they are usually looking to move on shortly after. I hope the Jost change is something the the org as a whole is going through.

Yea but how often are the Avs wrong on guys that they end up dumping? Very few of them end up succeeding somewhere else.

 

[Richard88]

Yea but how often are the Avs wrong on guys that they end up dumping? Very few of them end up succeeding somewhere else.

In before the O'Reilly conversation

 

[The Abusement Park]

In before the O'Reilly conversation

I mean that wasn’t really a developmental issue. Boychuk on the other hand.

 

[henchman21]

Yea but how often are the Avs wrong on guys that they end up dumping? Very few of them end up succeeding somewhere else.

How wrong are other teams? Reclamation project rarely work. My main argument is the Avs haven’t typically been good at identifying amateur talent to draft and sign (I argue they are really bad at it beyond the 1st round). They are not great, but also not bad at development. Somewhere in the middle.

 

[Hasbro]

Who are the guys who have been buried and forgotten though? It seems more like just a lot of shitty drafting to me.

Byram in favor of Nemeth and Graves in the playoffs.

 

[NOTENOUGHJTCGOALS]

Yea but how often are the Avs wrong on guys that they end up dumping? Very few of them end up succeeding somewhere else.

Graves was a decent reclamation pickup on the other side of the coin. Everyone complains but if he was a taxi squadder making 850 grand on the cap no one would hate.

 

[Foppa2118]

Byram in favor of Nemeth and Graves in the playoffs.

I could be wrong, but I think that was a coaching decision, not an organizational decision.

 

[Tommy Shelby]

I could be wrong, but I think that was a coaching decision, not an organizational decision.

It was the right thing to do, the last thing we needed was to toss him into a series where Vegas was already out for blood and he was coming off a concussion given to him by one of their useless goons.

Give him extra time to recover, and hope he comes out strong in TC with his head on a swivel

 

[CalderKing21]

Well, that escalated quickly.

 

[BKarchitect]

If he’s in the AHL we are going to have to be very patient. The optics of his progress will be much harder to gage and there will be a tendency to say “oh my 5 points in 25 games, he’s been bad” - with immediate conclusions that he’s the next Kaut at best or a complete bust at worse. Whereas if he were racking up points in Sweden’s second tier or a PPG guy in the OHL - it’s just much easier in the eyes in terms of saying “oh yes he’s developing nicely”. I’m gonna give the org the benefit of the doubt for at least a couple years with this kid…he’s not the same person or player as Kaut.

I’m also not ready to discard Kaut like so many of you are…he really stepped up his scoring rate in Loveland last season and I’m not sure why a bad 5 game cup of tea with the Avs spells the end of his career as a legit prospect. He’s only 21. It just seems he’s been in our lives forever because he came to Colorado as an 18 year old.

Look at Isles prospect Simon Holmstrom - another rangy and talented young Swedish forward - drafted #23 overall in 2019, came immediately over to the AHL and has seasons of 15 points and 7 points with Bridgeport as he very, very slowly adjusts and develops. He tied for the team lead in points with the Swedish WJC team earlier this year though. So the measuring stick for this kind of development path really needs to be kept in perspective.

 

[Pokecheque]

It was the right thing to do, the last thing we needed was to toss him into a series where Vegas was already out for blood and he was coming off a concussion given to him by one of their useless goons.

Give him extra time to recover, and hope he comes out strong in TC with his head on a swivel

It wasn't the right thing to do. They opted for two demonstrably bad players over two guys with the skill to fight past the opposition's forecheck. That's what gets me more than anything is that the two so-called "physical" guys were also the two guys who wilted the most (yes, moreso than Girard) under Vegas's relenteless attack. They literally negated the entire reason they were in there to begin with. For a guy who usually seems to have a really good feel on how to implement his gameplan, Bednar surprised me with his obliviousness.

Byram was cleared to play, so he should've played. Sakic needs to quit keeping one foot out of the water. This should've been an all-in year, and there should've been a ton more activity to try and bolster the roster at or before the deadline.

 

[Tommy Shelby]

It wasn't the right thing to do. They opted for two demonstrably bad players over two guys with the skill to fight past the opposition's forecheck. That's what gets me more than anything is that the two so-called "physical" guys were also the two guys who wilted the most (yes, moreso than Girard) under Vegas's relenteless attack. They literally negated the entire reason they were in there to begin with. For a guy who usually seems to have a really good feel on how to implement his gameplan, Bednar surprised me with his obliviousness.

Byram was cleared to play, so he should've played. Sakic needs to quit keeping one foot out of the water. This should've been an all-in year, and there should've been a ton more activity to try and bolster the roster at or before the deadline.

Look, I get that those D played ahead of him sucked, but he wouldn't have changed the series.

He most likely would have been Hishon'd and we'd both be on the Frontline chastising Bednar and Sakic for being so reckless with a top prospect's career.

 

[Foppa2118]

Look, I get that those D played ahead of him sucked, but he wouldn't have changed the series.

He most likely would have been Hishon'd and we'd both be on the Frontline chastising Bednar and Sakic for being so reckless with a top prospect's career.

We don't really know that though. Personally I think Bo had the skill and smarts to make a difference in that series. Especially when game changing mistakes were coming from defensemen like Nemeth and Graves who he would have replaced. And especially when his strengths (puck mobility and defense) were areas Vegas was giving the Avs problems.

Bo's not a shrinking violet either. He's got a healthy ego and he's used to teams targeting him with physical play, being a star defenseman in the WHL.

He was cleared to play from his concussion at the start of the playoffs. I wouldn't have been worried about throwing him to the wolves. Bo is the wolf. He'd probably go hit a guy into his own bench on his first shift.

 

[Pokecheque]

Look, I get that those D played ahead of him sucked, but he wouldn't have changed the series.

He most likely would have been Hishon'd and we'd both be on the Frontline chastising Bednar and Sakic for being so reckless with a tip prospect's career.

Neither you nor I know what would've happened. Would've been nice to have been given the chance to see though. If nothing else putting Nemeth's dumb ass on the bench would've prevent at least one horrible goal against, if not multiple. Losing Graves in favor of MacDonald IMO would've doubled that likelihood.

I wouldn't call putting Byram back in "reckless." He was medically cleared, it ain't like the symptoms subsided and he was thrown off of IR immediately after. There's no way they wouldn't have been prudent with their top prospect. The reason they didn't put either of those guys in was because of the horribly misguided notion that Graves and Nemeth knew how to kill penalties. Frankly, both of those players are quite bad at it.

 

[Pokecheque]

If nothing else, Bowen needs to pick his battles. Don't throw down with some worthless AHL scrub like Drakus Gaius Caligula and just know that dumbasses like Kolesar are gunning for you.

 

[expatriatedtexan]

In before the O'Reilly conversation

I'm still bitter about Johnny Boychuck only being given a shot in four games and was a used as a freaking 4th line forward with Kyle Cumiskey on the other wing in at least two of them.

 

[Pokecheque]

I'm still bitter about Johnny Boychuck only being given a shot in four games and was a used as a freaking 4th line forward with Kyle Cumiskey on the other wing in at least two of them.

Yeah. Q was probably the best coach the Avs ever had but he made two big decisions that really hurt the team. And I still haven't forgiven him for either one.

 

[Avsfan1921]

Look, I get that those D played ahead of him sucked, but he wouldn't have changed the series.

He most likely would have been Hishon'd and we'd both be on the Frontline chastising Bednar and Sakic for being so reckless with a top prospect's career.

Your statement is way more presumptuous than the other claims. The fact is Nemeth was far and away the worst defenseman in that series and should have been taken out of the lineup. That is fact, the rest is conjecture on if another defenseman would have helped turn the tide. I’m a very big fan of bednars but this was a very costly mistake.

 

[The Kingslayer]

It wasn't the right thing to do. They opted for two demonstrably bad players over two guys with the skill to fight past the opposition's forecheck. That's what gets me more than anything is that the two so-called "physical" guys were also the two guys who wilted the most (yes, moreso than Girard) under Vegas's relenteless attack. They literally negated the entire reason they were in there to begin with. For a guy who usually seems to have a really good feel on how to implement his gameplan, Bednar surprised me with his obliviousness.

Byram was cleared to play, so he should've played. Sakic needs to quit keeping one foot out of the water. This should've been an all-in year, and there should've been a ton more activity to try and bolster the roster at or before the deadline.

This will ultimately be the Avs down fall if it keeps up. If Joe continues to be passive hes going to watch one of the more talented rosters not win a damn thing. The Avs best chance to win it all imo was this past season and the season prior. Second round exits both times.

 

[Bonzai12]

Yeah. Q was probably the best coach the Avs ever had but he made two big decisions that really hurt the team. And I still haven't forgiven him for either one.

If you want some really weird ironic stuff - Boychuk actually married into Coach Q’s family. Wikipedia Boychuk whose nephew I think has a last name of Q and then that kid’s related to the coach. My head is still spinning. They’re like 4 degrees of Kevin Bacon apart, but he’s definitely in the Coach Q fam.

 

[dahrougem2]

I'm still bitter about Johnny Boychuck only being given a shot in four games and was a used as a freaking 4th line forward with Kyle Cumiskey on the other wing in at least two of them.

Q smoked that good good way before it was legal in Denver while making that line combo lmao.

 

[Pokecheque]

If you want some really weird ironic stuff - Boychuk actually married into Coach Q’s family. Wikipedia Boychuk whose nephew I think has a last name of Q and then that kid’s related to the coach. My head is still spinning. They’re like 4 degrees of Kevin Bacon apart, but he’s definitely in the Coach Q fam.

Daaaaamn, that’s crazy.

I suppose there’s no bitterness, Boychuk ended up on the Bruins where he won a Stanley Cup, so there’s that.

 

[ABasin]

How wrong are other teams? Reclamation project rarely work. My main argument is the Avs haven’t typically been good at identifying amateur talent to draft and sign (I argue they are really bad at it beyond the 1st round).

Oh, they're terrible at it. And it's not even the 1st round. It's the first 10 picks of the 1st round.

The last time the Avs had a non-top10 draft pick who played 100 NHL games with the team, was 2009. O'Reilly and Barrie. 13 drafts ago.

They had a few picks who snuck over the 100 NHL game mark after being traded away (Blandisi, Bournival, Pickard), but all 3 of those had middling NHL careers at best. Butcher's had a solid NHL stint, but they never signed him.

 

[Avs_19]

 

[avsfan9]

How does he stack up in the ohl? Is 80+ points a reasonable number to expect. Perfetti put up 120 points.