Rumor: AVS Proposals/Rumors/Free Agents & Roster Moves (related topics)

[Ivan13]

I think they'd rather see if someone would claim him on waivers than take on another contract for him. Who could we even trade? Comeau? Gelinas? Mitchell? I don't think I'd do either of those and we don't have the cap space to just trade a pick.

I'd trade Mitchell without losing sleep, Gelinas or Wier as well.

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

I'd take the gamble on Yakupov. Still has the natural talent to be a very good goalscorer.

 

[henchman21]

The problem with trading Gelinas or Weir is that the Avs haven't really evaluated either yet. I don't see the Avs trading either until they do (and one will be re-signed for next season so they need to be evaluated). Trading Mitchell leaves the #4C spot open (nobody has shown that they can take over that role from him). The Avs don't have the cap room to just trade a pick. There really isn't a deal that makes a ton of sense with the current roster. Get a month into the season where the Avs can figure out who they want between Gelinas and Weir, or if somebody can fill in for Mitchell, there might be something.

 

[AvsGuy]

The Edmonton trade is a funny one because everyone was clamoring for them to trade scoring talent for defense, it was an obvious move - it just strikes me as the wrong player to trade. Larsson, for what he's established so far, is worth Jordan Eberle in a trade. That would've been a painless move for Edmonton. Taylor Hall is a costly piece to move, and while Larsson might pan out, the gamble is all on Edmonton - Hall will lead the Devils in scoring this season. The acquisition of Larsson isn't a mistake, but the trading of Hall might be.

 

[Ivan13]

There's no way on earth a flaky one-dimensional winger like Eberle would've fetched Larsson.

 

[Foppa Frossa]

I'd trade Mitchell, Comeau or Iggy for Yak. Throw in a late pick if needed.

 

[Bender]

The problem with trading Gelinas or Weir is that the Avs haven't really evaluated either yet. I don't see the Avs trading either until they do (and one will be re-signed for next season so they need to be evaluated). Trading Mitchell leaves the #4C spot open (nobody has shown that they can take over that role from him). The Avs don't have the cap room to just trade a pick. There really isn't a deal that makes a ton of sense with the current roster. Get a month into the season where the Avs can figure out who they want between Gelinas and Weir, or if somebody can fill in for Mitchell, there might be something.

I think there could really be a deal to be made here, having both Gelinas and Weircioch seems a bit redundant. IF they've pretty much already determined that they need to make space for Bigras anyways, the odds would be pretty good that either guy would sit on a nightly basis anyways. There was some smoke that the Oilers were interested in Gelinas earlier this summer. If the Avs had to pick, I think they would surely keep the guy they just signed as a UFA rather than the guy they acquired at the TD last year.

I think it probably matters more on the other guys that they've evaluated (Bigras/Siemens/Lindholm) so far in training camp. If some of those guys can step-in and fill-in just as well as Gelinas would as depth defenders, then making this kind of move is a no-brainer. It takes a depth d-man making $1.575M out of your lineup, gives a chance to a younger guy (Bigras would definitely make the squad, I would think) and it adds some scoring potential to the lineup.

As a bonus, it would probably end the Rene Bourque experiment as well. (I think he's had a good camp but I don't trust that he keeps it up all year long.)

 

[AvsGuy]

There's no way on earth a flaky one-dimensional winger like Eberle would've fetched Larsson.

Probably not, but we'd have all said the same thing about Larsson as a defenseman if someone proposed him for Hall.

 

[henchman21]

I think there could really be a deal to be made here, having both Gelinas and Weircioch seems a bit redundant. IF they've pretty much already determined that they need to make space for Bigras anyways, the odds would be pretty good that either guy would sit on a nightly basis anyways. There was some smoke that the Oilers were interested in Gelinas earlier this summer. If the Avs had to pick, I think they would surely keep the guy they just signed as a UFA rather than the guy they acquired at the TD last year.

I think it probably matters more on the other guys that they've evaluated (Bigras/Siemens/Lindholm) so far in training camp. If some of those guys can step-in and fill-in just as well as Gelinas would as depth defenders, then making this kind of move is a no-brainer. It takes a depth d-man making $1.575M out of your lineup, gives a chance to a younger guy (Bigras would definitely make the squad, I would think) and it adds some scoring potential to the lineup.

As a bonus, it would probably end the Rene Bourque experiment as well. (I think he's had a good camp but I don't trust that he keeps it up all year long.)

Teams don't typically spend a 3rd round pick on a reclamation project defender to give up after 6 games... I can't even think of the last time that happened. On top of that, they will have to commit to one of Weir, Gelinas, or Tyutin for another year so they have a defender under contract to expose for the expansion draft. That player will very likely be on the Avs next season, so they will want to choose wisely there.

I get the advantages of trading Gelinas for Yak, but I don't think any front office would be willing to pull the plug that quickly on a reclamation project (especially for another reclamation project).

Now if we are talking a month or two into the season, that is a completely different story.

 

[Bender]

Teams don't typically spend a 3rd round pick on a reclamation project defender to give up after 6 games... I can't even think of the last time that happened. On top of that, they will have to commit to one of Weir, Gelinas, or Tyutin for another year so they have a defender under contract to expose for the expansion draft. That player will very likely be on the Avs next season, so they will want to choose wisely there.

I get the advantages of trading Gelinas for Yak, but I don't think any front office would be willing to pull the plug that quickly on a reclamation project (especially for another reclamation project).

Now if we are talking a month or two into the season, that is a completely different story.

I agree with what you're suggesting, but personally I don't see either Weir or Gelinas playing in the top-4...do you? At that point, they become depth defenders and if you now have information regarding your young guys that you didn't have when you made the Gelinas trade, I think it changes things. I think Lindholm making it this far changes things in a positive way. (call-up)

I understand that organizations don't typically swap out reclamation projects like I'm suggesting and they'll typically hang on for longer to figure out what they have (like they did with Berra) but it doesn't mean it's the right move. I don't think Weircioch nor Gelinas will be anything but bottom pairing guys. If they have a few guys whom they think can fill that role and Gelinas becomes expendable, making a swap for reclamation project "Yakupov" is likely a better alternative than the 35 year old, trainwreck waiting to happen Rene Bourque reclamation project.

 

[henchman21]

I agree with what you're suggesting, but personally I don't see either Weir or Gelinas playing in the top-4...do you? At that point, they become depth defenders and if you now have information regarding your young guys that you didn't have when you made the Gelinas trade, I think it changes things. I think Lindholm making it this far changes things in a positive way. (call-up)

I understand that organizations don't typically swap out reclamation projects like I'm suggesting and they'll typically hang on for longer to figure out what they have (like they did with Berra) but it doesn't mean it's the right move. I don't think Weircioch nor Gelinas will be anything but bottom pairing guys. If they have a few guys whom they think can fill that role and Gelinas becomes expendable, making a swap for reclamation project "Yakupov" is likely a better alternative than the 35 year old, trainwreck waiting to happen Rene Bourque reclamation project.

I think one of the two will play some top 4 minutes this year. They won't be the answer there and they will not be good in that role, but the makeup of the team certainly makes that more possible than not. A team just isn't going to reverse course that fast on those players. Both will get their shots to carve out a role on this team. Until they get that chance, neither will be moved. Hoping for it is a fool's errand. Mitchell is the only name I can see being in that trade, and I find that pretty unlikely as well.

Lindholm is a positive, but he still isn't a better option than Weir or Gelinas at this point... not even close. He also needs minutes to get used to the NA game. By mid or next season, sure, maybe Lindholm can make one of them expendable. Not right now.

 

[tigervixxxen]

If Beauchemin waives his NMC then he counts as the D under contract to expose.

 

[henchman21]

If Beauchemin waives his NMC then he counts as the D under contract to expose.

The if in that statement is a pretty big deal. Nothing is set in stone there until after the season and the Avs would be fools to count on that happening ATM.

Now if Beauch doesn't have a NMC for next year, that is a different story on that front. Still the Avs will give Weir and Gelinas time to prove themselves again.

 

[StayAtHomeAv]

I think there could really be a deal to be made here, having both Gelinas and Weircioch seems a bit redundant. IF they've pretty much already determined that they need to make space for Bigras anyways, the odds would be pretty good that either guy would sit on a nightly basis anyways. There was some smoke that the Oilers were interested in Gelinas earlier this summer. If the Avs had to pick, I think they would surely keep the guy they just signed as a UFA rather than the guy they acquired at the TD last year.

I think it probably matters more on the other guys that they've evaluated (Bigras/Siemens/Lindholm) so far in training camp. If some of those guys can step-in and fill-in just as well as Gelinas would as depth defenders, then making this kind of move is a no-brainer. It takes a depth d-man making $1.575M out of your lineup, gives a chance to a younger guy (Bigras would definitely make the squad, I would think) and it adds some scoring potential to the lineup.

As a bonus, it would probably end the Rene Bourque experiment as well. (I think he's had a good camp but I don't trust that he keeps it up all year long.)

Why would they surely keep Wiercioch? They actually traded for Gelinas. They could have had Wier for that same pick, but chose Gelinas instead. And it's not like Gelinas has had a chance to prove them wrong.

 

[tigervixxxen]

The if in that statement is a pretty big deal. Nothing is set in stone there until after the season and the Avs would be fools to count on that happening ATM.

Now if Beauch doesn't have a NMC for next year, that is a different story on that front. Still the Avs will give Weir and Gelinas time to prove themselves again.

Of course it's a big if but they know better than we do what's going on and maybe that's why they haven't signed someone to satisfy it yet. I don't disagree that they want to see what they have in Gelinas and Weir.

 

[henchman21]

Of course it's a big if but they know better than we do what's going on and maybe that's why they haven't signed someone to satisfy it yet. I don't disagree that they want to see what they have in Gelinas and Weir.

Entirely possible... just as (if not more) possible that they are waiting to see who they want to keep between Gelinas and Weir.

Regardless, Gelinas/Weir/Tyutin are not going to be traded before the season. It just isn't going to happen. If the Avs are making a move for Yak it is Mitchell for Yak or a pick for Yak with salary retention (which will make the pick higher than what Yak is worth). Trading Mitchell is pretty risky with the center situation on the bottom line.

 

[Bubba Thudd]

Entirely possible... just as (if not more) possible that they are waiting to see who they want to keep between Gelinas and Weir.

Regardless, Gelinas/Weir/Tyutin are not going to be traded before the season. It just isn't going to happen. If the Avs are making a move for Yak it is Mitchell for Yak or a pick for Yak with salary retention (which will make the pick higher than what Yak is worth). Trading Mitchell is pretty risky with the center situation on the bottom line.

Can't one of the Bourques or Compher play 4C?

 

[henchman21]

Can't one of the Bourques or Compher play 4C?

Bourques no (Smith would be more likely than either of those two)... Compher maybe (ATM I doubt he'd be as good as Mitchell in the role). But then the question is if it is better for Compher to play #4C in the NHL or top 6 in the AHL?

 

[Bubba Thudd]

Bourques no (Smith would be more likely than either of those two)... Compher maybe (ATM I doubt he'd be as good as Mitchell in the role). But then the question is if it is better for Compher to play #4C in the NHL or top 6 in the AHL?

I get that, but Mitchell vs Yak also figures into that equation.

 

[tigervixxxen]

There's a crap load of competition for top 6 in the AHL. If anyone gets a directive from the Avs to get played I could see it be Compher but it's not really an automatic. That is until injuries thin it out a bit.

 

[Duchene2MacKinnon]

It's not in the avs best interest to discard Mitchell in favour of Yakupov.... the idea is not to build an all star team.

 

[henchman21]

I get that, but Mitchell vs Yak also figures into that equation.

IMO The downgrade from Mitchell to Compher is more than the upgrade from Yak to anybody who would be on the RW (Duchene, Rants, Iggy, and Colborne are all better players on the right.. even Comeau is better right now if he plays on the right). Trading Mitchell for Yak would make the Avs a worse team in the short term and maybe a significant chunk worse. Long-term there can be some good rewards.

If the Avs had a good option at the #4C spot, I'd be all for trading Mitchell for Yak. I just don't see that option right now.

There's a crap load of competition for top 6 in the AHL. If anyone gets a directive from the Avs to get played I could see it be Compher but it's not really an automatic. That is until injuries thin it out a bit.

Compher has stuck around the Avs longer than the others (for a reason I'm sure), and he will be the top priority at center for the organization. O'Brien is the only one I see that would be automatically slotted ahead of him in the AHL and that is more about experience and matchups.

 

[tigervixxxen]

Apparently they were going to get rid of Mitchell over the summer

 

[Cousin Eddie]

Apparently they were going to get rid of Mitchell over the summer

I have a feeling that was one of those situations that was depending on something else. Whether that was a trade or signing I don't know.

 

[henchman21]

Mitchell has been shopped for 2+ years now. The Avs are not opposed to trading him, they would need a replacement though.